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Post by smallthorner on Mar 23, 2020 21:15:06 GMT
Utterly meaningless press conference. Closed shops and libraries. Dont hang out together, really this time I mean it. Waffle waffle bollocks Correct.. One of the most confusing announcements a leader could give. Total confusion and lack of clarity. The employers are shitting themselves.. The employees are thinking "what do I do" |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 23, 2020 21:15:20 GMT
The tube in London will still probably full at rush hour. Correct decision, and not before time. Boris looks knackered. This is just the start - I think he'll have to go further. He undoubtedly will, the British public has shown itself to be incapable of even following the most minor social distancing guidance for 7 days and that has lead us here. I fully expect viral footage of gatherings at parks and whatnot tomorrow. “We’re just running guv” style bollocks. It’s on this thread “I’m going the pub while I still can, I have weighed up the options for ME MYSELF and I” Enough to make you tear your hair out. |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 23, 2020 21:18:16 GMT
My work isn't essential but Impossible to work from home... I'm the same, I'm stuck in a quandary. |
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 23, 2020 21:19:42 GMT
I not sure that's true. We're all working from home and we have a specialist in GDPR and it's not been a problem. I hope that's true because so far my boss has refused to let me work from home because of the data on my computer. (I work at an accountants doing payroll/Vat & financial accounts) I guess it all depends on how you access it and where you store it and how secure that all is. I VPN like Momo, I actually remote on to my PC that sits on my desk at work. It's all fine. I think bet365 will have all this stuff in place too. It is the smaller companies that might not have the right stuff in place I guess? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 23, 2020 21:19:55 GMT
For example, you've got somebody who works in customer service and a customer phones up bet365 from Mumbai complaining about an issue with their bet. How do you route that call to the customer services rep, and provide the rep with access to the account of the person? All calls have to be recorded, all live chat has to be recorded. If an issue needs to be escalated to a supervisor, then that it isn't possible. The level of software that bet365 use is absolutely massive. And that's before you realise that many of their employees don't even have a computer at home. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 21:22:03 GMT
The tube in London will still probably full at rush hour. Correct decision, and not before time. Boris looks knackered. This is just the start - I think he'll have to go further. He undoubtedly will, the British public has shown itself to be incapable of even following the most minor social distancing guidance for 7 days and that has lead us here. I fully expect viral footage of gatherings at parks and whatnot tomorrow. “We’re just running guv” style bollocks. It’s on this thread “I’m going the pub while I still can, I have weighed up the options for ME MYSELF and I” Enough to make you tear your hair out. Those pics of people in markets and parks will be used as "the reason". Tube stations and trains rammed with people getting to work? Trains and buses full to capacity .... oh ok - they must have been essential workers. NHS? Bank staff. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 23, 2020 21:22:17 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2020 21:22:20 GMT
I agree but the key point of the address, the one that affects every single person watching, was left hanging to the point where very intelligent people on here (yours truly excluded) are left wondering if their jobs are deemed essential or not? He didn’t say essential jobs though. He said travel where it’s only essential. Earning money to keep your family going is imo essential. Not spreading the disease and dying is more essential I would say. |
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 23, 2020 21:22:26 GMT
It’s Tough. But speak to your employer. The message is unambiguous STAY AT HOME. May save your, your family’s, or somebody else’s life. It was entirely ambiguous in terms of work. The tone was for once right but there is total confusion. Just seen 'experts' on the beeb and sky simply say "I don't know" when quizzed about the workers issue. If your work is not essential. As an example a factory making double glazing, or a workshop repairing cars etc. The business should close down. Your employer does not have to make you redundant the Govt will pay 80% (I think ) of your wages. Meanwhile STAY AT HOME, protect yourself, your family and everybody else. Speak to your employers, or if it is your business, speak to your employees and The authorities. It’s going to be tough for everyone. Accept it and survive. Hopefully it’s now starting to sink in . |
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Post by lagwafis on Mar 23, 2020 21:22:42 GMT
I can't access any data unless I'm logged on to the secure work vpn so I guess I'm covered. If I'm not, I break GDPR rules every weekend! Yep there are technologies and processes that easily allow for working from home and still being GDPR compliant. Many modern companies work from home as a matter of course already. Anyone saying otherwise probably doesn't really understand GDPR, which is entirely fair enough. Personally I've found IT security (both pre and post GDPR) hasn't changed too much. As long as you've got passwords, authentication, VPN, encryption, Bitlocker etc. in place then it's mostly been business as usual, albeit with some extra measures in place surrounding cloud-based CRMs. GDPR was more about regulations of how you handle data. It also helped those organisations who lacked some of the above measures get themselves up to speed. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 21:22:48 GMT
"Essential" work means paying for a roof over your head and feeding your kids.
If he didnt specifically mention your industry or trade, you should absolutely carry on.
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Post by Little Gary Patel on Mar 23, 2020 21:23:17 GMT
I hope that's true because so far my boss has refused to let me work from home because of the data on my computer. (I work at an accountants doing payroll/Vat & financial accounts) I guess it all depends on how you access it and where you store it and how secure that all is. I VPN like Momo, I actually remote on to my PC that sits on my desk at work. It's all fine. I think bet365 will have all this stuff in place too. It is the smaller companies that might not have the right stuff in place I guess? 365 definitely have the facility to work from home already, they get given laptops rather than logging into a remote machine I have 3 friends who work there, all remotely. I am working from home using an Amazon workspace, it's shit. |
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Post by thebet365 on Mar 23, 2020 21:23:28 GMT
I hope that's true because so far my boss has refused to let me work from home because of the data on my computer. (I work at an accountants doing payroll/Vat & financial accounts) I guess it all depends on how you access it and where you store it and how secure that all is. I VPN like Momo, I actually remote on to my PC that sits on my desk at work. It's all fine. I think bet365 will have all this stuff in place too. It is the smaller companies that might not have the right stuff in place I guess? We're just a small business, no cloud, no networking. All my stuff is on my Tower. Yup a 2011 Dell tower  |
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 23, 2020 21:23:42 GMT
For example, you've got somebody who works in customer service and a customer phones up bet365 from Mumbai complaining about an issue with their bet. How do you route that call to the customer services rep, and provide the rep with access to the account of the person? All calls have to be recorded, all live chat has to be recorded. If an issue needs to be escalated to a supervisor, then that it isn't possible. The level of software that bet365 use is absolutely massive. And that's before you realise that many of their employees don't even have a computer at home. It'll entirely depend on their setup but all that stuff is definitely possible and some of it may even be quite easy. |
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Post by ParaPsych on Mar 23, 2020 21:24:23 GMT
I guess it all depends on how you access it and where you store it and how secure that all is. I VPN like Momo, I actually remote on to my PC that sits on my desk at work. It's all fine. I think bet365 will have all this stuff in place too. It is the smaller companies that might not have the right stuff in place I guess? We're just a small business, no cloud, no networking. All my stuff is on my Tower. Yup a 2011 Dell tower Yeah that is probably where things get tricky.  |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 23, 2020 21:24:52 GMT
It was entirely ambiguous in terms of work. The tone was for once right but there is total confusion. Just seen 'experts' on the beeb and sky simply say "I don't know" when quizzed about the workers issue. If your work is not essential. As an example a factory making double glazing, or a workshop repairing cars etc. The business should close down. Your employer does not have to make you redundant the Govt will pay 80% (I think ) of your wages. Meanwhile STAY AT HOME, protect yourself, your family and everybody else. Speak to your employers, or if it is your business, speak to your employees and The authorities. It’s going to be tough for everyone. Accept it and survive. Hopefully it’s now starting to sink in . That may well be what he meant but its not what he said. I should imagine a further clarification will be out tonight. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 23, 2020 21:25:05 GMT
That is how I heard it too, I’d need to listen to it back though. |
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Post by John Smiths Upper Fan on Mar 23, 2020 21:25:06 GMT
Because of the vagueness of it all employers of none essential staff who've turned up to work when the employer knows they can't practice safe distancing etc in the work environment are going to have to make some tough decisions tomorrow.
The government however should be the ones making this decision. They need to be dig deep and cover the wages of literally all none essentials to stay at home. The essential workers should also be imbursed as why should they miss out.
It's the only way to truly lockdown the country best we can.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 21:25:11 GMT
For example, you've got somebody who works in customer service and a customer phones up bet365 from Mumbai complaining about an issue with their bet. How do you route that call to the customer services rep, and provide the rep with access to the account of the person? All calls have to be recorded, all live chat has to be recorded. If an issue needs to be escalated to a supervisor, then that it isn't possible. The level of software that bet365 use is absolutely massive. And that's before you realise that many of their employees don't even have a computer at home. I controlled a switchboard that probably gets around 3/400 calls today from my living room. Not the same scale I know but it worked 😊 |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 23, 2020 21:25:26 GMT
He didn’t say essential jobs though. He said travel where it’s only essential. Earning money to keep your family going is imo essential. Not spreading the disease and dying is more essential I would say. Agreed but what did Boris just tell a bricky to do ... should he turn up at the site tomorrow or not? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 23, 2020 21:25:33 GMT
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Post by Clem Fandango on Mar 23, 2020 21:25:45 GMT
Surely most of them can just work from home? Don't most of them just sit at a computer and/or phone? No they can't mate. To be honest mate if they can’t only Denise and the family have themselves to blame for that given the money they’ve got. I’ve geniunely sat at home in my underpants and taken live 999 calls so if somebody can do that but somebody can’t run a betting operation in 2020 remotely then something’s gone wrong. |
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 23, 2020 21:27:08 GMT
Not spreading the disease and dying is more essential I would say. Agreed but what did Boris just tell a bricky to do ... should he turn up at the site tomorrow or not? Stay at home unless you are working on a hospital or something like that for safety I'd say. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 23, 2020 21:27:28 GMT
The exact line is:
“travelling to and from work, but only when this is absolutely necessary and cannot be done from home”
No mention of essential work, or otherwise.
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 23, 2020 21:28:36 GMT
Honestly there wasn't much difference in Italy. The next working day however resulted in companies clearly getting the message.
Most will rush employees out into a smart working situation or alternatives.
No idea how self employed will go about it.
Each day when the death toll starts to double, modifications will be applied to this new decree.
What was announced tonight i think will be very different come next Monday.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 23, 2020 21:29:07 GMT
To be honest mate if they can’t only Denise and the family have themselves to blame for that given the money they’ve got. I’ve geniunely sat at home in my underpants and taken live 999 calls so if somebody can do that but somebody can’t run a betting operation in 2020 remotely then something’s gone wrong. Loads of people don't have computers at home mate, there's no way you can expect Denise to make sure that they have, just in case something like this might happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 21:30:08 GMT
My work isn't essential but Impossible to work from home... I'm the same, I'm stuck in a quandary. Same here, it's a shambles. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2020 21:30:12 GMT
Ok so if a business has suddenly found that all of it's work has dried up, and it sends it's employees home, the Govt are going to cover those wages?
The employees haven't been sent home to self isolate following Govt advise, or self isolated themselves. The business has essentially gone bust.
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 23, 2020 21:30:53 GMT
To be honest mate if they can’t only Denise and the family have themselves to blame for that given the money they’ve got. I’ve geniunely sat at home in my underpants and taken live 999 calls so if somebody can do that but somebody can’t run a betting operation in 2020 remotely then something’s gone wrong. Loads of people don't have computers at home mate, there's no way you can expect Denise to make sure that they have, just in case something like this might happen. No one in my office could work with their own computer. I work at fiat Chrysler and our office has around 400 people. In 2 days they got 350 out the door with a desktop or laptop to setup at home the same day. |
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Post by nutterpotter on Mar 23, 2020 21:31:22 GMT
To be honest mate if they can’t only Denise and the family have themselves to blame for that given the money they’ve got. I’ve geniunely sat at home in my underpants and taken live 999 calls so if somebody can do that but somebody can’t run a betting operation in 2020 remotely then something’s gone wrong. Loads of people don't have computers at home mate, there's no way you can expect Denise to make sure that they have, just in case something like this might happen. I imagine a lot of them would have work laptops though? Wouldn't need to have a personal laptop/computer at home. |
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