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Post by musik on Mar 22, 2020 7:10:20 GMT
The banks are now printing money backed by nothing. Thin air. Being a massive sceptic, I could see this virus being a smokescreen for a new global financial system. Money backed by debt obviously didn’t work. Printing a trillion dollars a day indefinitely will be an interesting one. Hehe ... some might think poor countries are poor just because they haven't printed enough money ... |
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Post by zerps on Mar 22, 2020 7:17:16 GMT
The banks are now printing money backed by nothing. Thin air. Being a massive sceptic, I could see this virus being a smokescreen for a new global financial system. Money backed by debt obviously didn’t work. Printing a trillion dollars a day indefinitely will be an interesting one. Hehe ... some might think poor countries are poor just because they haven't printed enough money ... It’s worthless either way. Everything is ultimately backed by the usd. The usd is being heavily devalued daily. Was there a choice between a global pandemic or a war to end the usa china trade dispute? Summats going on. |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 22, 2020 7:19:09 GMT
Latest Quite a bit of philosophical discussions here on the radio and tv about WHY this virus has come to us now. A priest got the question "Does God do this to punish us?" Answer: "I don't think so at all. God doesn't punish people. If anything, He wants to show us something, correct us, make us think." Eehhh ... Well. That is to punish, my friend. ❤️ U Music |
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Post by zerps on Mar 22, 2020 7:25:08 GMT
Hehe ... some might think poor countries are poor just because they haven't printed enough money ... It’s worthless either way. Everything is ultimately backed by the usd. The usd is being heavily devalued daily. Was there a choice between a global pandemic or a war to end the usa china trade dispute? Summats going on. At the risk of talking to myself, how is the usd not plummeting in value when they’re printing 1tn a day backed by thin air? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 7:45:29 GMT
Why do there seem to be so few stories/videos/images of people suffering with the virus in hospital/their families or people who have had it and got better (or had family members die)? Not a pleasant watch/read of course but it does surprise me. Also wouldn't it be a way of convincing people that they need to take this thing seriously if they are not already? I get that access to patients is understandably restricted, and the Government doesn't want to induce panic, but all I seem to see is footage of queues and empty shelves. Or is it just the BBC? I have no agenda but would be interested in what people think. Agree. But they've started w more articles here in Sweden now. I also agree, we were given the chance to act sensibly but seeing images yesterday of coastal areas packed with people I believe a shock is what some people need. Something akin to the images on cigarette packaging. NHS frontline staff must be so angry with some of the images they’re seeing. |
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Post by serpico on Mar 22, 2020 8:20:35 GMT
not quite sure how you equate me suggesting people who work and have some spare cash save some of it with blaming poor people for economic crashes, its precisely the fact we have these crashes that they should save some! hard to believe some on here are so wrapped up in their ideologies that even when you suggest something that benefits lower earners IE instead of buying top of the range trainers for your kid at £100 a pair that he'll wear for probably 3 months before growing out of them, maybe get a pair that aren't quite as expensive, even middle class families are highly profligate and build up massive debts, they should also save, theres no need for a new car, or the latest phone every year, nobody makes things last either, they throw away perfectly good TVs to get an even bigger one, they're subscribed up to their eyeballs with various entertainment packages that they probably don't use. a lot of working class people work very hard, i live and work amongst them, but i know for a fact many of them live way beyond their means, they don't save and spend unnecessarily. Saving money is good for them, but all we're encouraged to do these days is spend, spend, spend. That's the very sort of hogwash that was popularised as mainstream fact in disgusting shows like Benefits Street and you've been sucked in I'm afraid. Reality for most in that position is closer to Daniel Blake than Dee White. I live and work in a working class area and have never watched benefits street or any of those type of programs, what I’m suggesting (saving small amounts each week) it doable for most people if they cut back on non essential things, I’m not talking about folks on benefits. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 22, 2020 8:31:56 GMT
Classic Dom
Thousands of passengers from coronavirus hotspots such as Iran, Italy and even China are flying into Britain, despite the government’s domestic lockdown.
And this doesn't seem.....er...optimal!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 8:37:54 GMT
Another worrying thing is that, in Hong Kong they discovered a 2nd case of Corona in pet dog in human to animal transmission. According to a scientist on the radio yesterday, the most worrying thing about this Covid 19 virus is that it has a big tool box. It can transform and mutate and do whatever it wants if an obsticle occur. That makes it difficult with a vaccine. And that's also why the isolated herd immunity theory could be fatal. It might require one herd immunity period in the society after another. This isn't correct, and all viruses mutate a bit anyway but what you are suggesting is not correct. People should be a bit more careful with the stuff they are putting on here, there is a lot of duff information. At least two drugs have shown a lot of success in treating it and are being trialled this week. They are working it out, if only everyone would just observe distancing so we can not overwhelm our health service. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Mar 22, 2020 8:46:28 GMT
Bloody hell www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-ten-days-that-shook-britain-and-changed-the-nation-for-ever-spz6sc9vbAt the Sage meeting on March 12, a moment now dubbed the “Domoscene conversion”, Cummings changed his mind. In this “penny-drop moment”, he realised he had helped set a course for catastrophe.
By Friday, March 13, Cummings had become the most outspoken advocate of a tough crackdown. “Dominic himself had a conversion,” a senior Tory said. “He’s gone from ‘herd immunity and let the old people die’, to ‘let’s shut down the country and the economy.’” |
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Post by felonious on Mar 22, 2020 9:00:34 GMT
Imperial College medics suggesting London now needs to be isolated from the rest of the country plus restricted movement between regions other than London. Seems sensible to me. They'll be escaping from London to protect themselves before that happens and spreading the disease. There was a report of the radio this morning asking Scots to stay at home and not self isolate in the Highlands, swamping local shops and possibly over burdening the local health services. |
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Post by BristolMick on Mar 22, 2020 9:04:50 GMT
According to a scientist on the radio yesterday, the most worrying thing about this Covid 19 virus is that it has a big tool box. It can transform and mutate and do whatever it wants if an obsticle occur. That makes it difficult with a vaccine. And that's also why the isolated herd immunity theory could be fatal. It might require one herd immunity period in the society after another. It 'could' potentially mutute, but so could any other virus. Not sure why you make it sound like it can do as it pleases. I'll put that down to poor English. How’s your Swedish? BM |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 9:05:37 GMT
Bloody hell www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-ten-days-that-shook-britain-and-changed-the-nation-for-ever-spz6sc9vbAt the Sage meeting on March 12, a moment now dubbed the “Domoscene conversion”, Cummings changed his mind. In this “penny-drop moment”, he realised he had helped set a course for catastrophe.
By Friday, March 13, Cummings had become the most outspoken advocate of a tough crackdown. “Dominic himself had a conversion,” a senior Tory said. “He’s gone from ‘herd immunity and let the old people die’, to ‘let’s shut down the country and the economy.’”I hope to god that isn't true, but sadly I fear it is. That bloke is a complete weapon. |
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Post by musik on Mar 22, 2020 9:08:03 GMT
This isn't correct, and all viruses mutate a bit anyway but what you are suggesting is not correct. People should be a bit more careful with the stuff they are putting on here, there is a lot of duff information. At least two drugs have shown a lot of success in treating it and are being trialled this week. They are working it out, if only everyone would just observe distancing so we can not overwhelm our health service. He was going on about, "you can't compare this with other viruses because it has a big tool box". It can more easily change. No surprise it can infect different species." But he also remained positive and emphasized the importance of distancing, just like yourself. It made me think, when developing a vaccine, is it possible to create one that would work against a bunch of variations as well, like some broad spectrum antibiotics do? Interferon Alfa 2B Recombinante and Ramdesivir are the medical drugs I've heard of so far. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 22, 2020 9:08:13 GMT
Trump is saying it's 'totally under control'  looks like Trump may have been telling porkies |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2020 9:08:38 GMT
This mornings discussion.... We've just seen an episode of Peppa Pig where all the characters go to the zoo...  |
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Post by theincontinents on Mar 22, 2020 9:11:17 GMT
According to a scientist on the radio yesterday, the most worrying thing about this Covid 19 virus is that it has a big tool box. It can transform and mutate and do whatever it wants if an obsticle occur. That makes it difficult with a vaccine. And that's also why the isolated herd immunity theory could be fatal. It might require one herd immunity period in the society after another. This isn't correct, and all viruses mutate a bit anyway but what you are suggesting is not correct. People should be a bit more careful with the stuff they are putting on here, there is a lot of duff information. At least two drugs have shown a lot of success in treating it and are being trialled this week. They are working it out, if only everyone would just observe distancing so we can not overwhelm our health service. A few page’s back I know you were worried that you might have the virus yourself and I really hope you don’t and if you do you make a full recovery. I get therefore why it is easier for you to deal with your situation by dismissing what you perceive as baseless doom mongering. I have posted a very good synopsis of the scientific knowledge a few pages back. Whilst I agree that the human to dog story is probably utter crap the other statement above your post is bang on correct. I have spent over 40 years working in healthcare and I am no expert in virology but I can usually read research papers and be able to separate fact from fiction. The fact is that this virus has in a few short weeks mutated from an animal to human virus into 2 different strains, (s & l ) of a human to human virus. The drugs being tested (anti malarials ) have only been hailed a “success” by Donald Trump against the advice of experts in the USA. At best they may have some potential, but if anyone starts acquiring and using these drugs from the black market, they could easily end up killing themselves. Trump is more dangerous than the virus itself. I don’t mean to start an argument with anyone over this very serious situation , I just want everyone to be safe and unproven claims of “success” can raise false hope and later anger and outrage if they prove to be false. Stay safe Glasgow |
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Mar 22, 2020 9:13:33 GMT
Bloody hell www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-ten-days-that-shook-britain-and-changed-the-nation-for-ever-spz6sc9vbAt the Sage meeting on March 12, a moment now dubbed the “Domoscene conversion”, Cummings changed his mind. In this “penny-drop moment”, he realised he had helped set a course for catastrophe.
By Friday, March 13, Cummings had become the most outspoken advocate of a tough crackdown. “Dominic himself had a conversion,” a senior Tory said. “He’s gone from ‘herd immunity and let the old people die’, to ‘let’s shut down the country and the economy.’”Christ. I hope that proves to be false. I had thought that could be one of the reasons for the inaction by the government, but thought it was was too implausible. If this ever gets proven to be true, it will have a huge affect on our democracy for years to come. |
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 22, 2020 9:17:50 GMT
We will see the truth will out duck the PRC can not cover it up with social media as it is now, do you still believe it has nothing to do the communist regime in the PRC son ? never trust a Marxist or a Communist  arrogance  quack quack quack duck. The govt. covered it up, absolutely. They didn't release or create it. They're also not communist as we've discussed many times, but I'm not going to get into that. So the ruling Party in the PRC is not the Communist Party wow I bow to your superior knowledge  |
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Post by musik on Mar 22, 2020 9:24:07 GMT
Any truth in the blood group theory? It says if you're a 0 person you might have an advantage compared to the A-group.
I looked at my military badge made of metal again and it says "0A". Bloody typical! There is no such blood group ...
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 22, 2020 9:24:42 GMT
I went past one of the local pubs in my village yesterday afternoon. I noticed the back door was open and could see quite a few people in there.
They are so thick they didn’t even have the sense to draw the curtains!
Maybe the BBC should be showing the intensive care wards instead of empty shelves in Tesco.
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Post by BristolMick on Mar 22, 2020 9:27:07 GMT
This isn't correct, and all viruses mutate a bit anyway but what you are suggesting is not correct. People should be a bit more careful with the stuff they are putting on here, there is a lot of duff information. At least two drugs have shown a lot of success in treating it and are being trialled this week. They are working it out, if only everyone would just observe distancing so we can not overwhelm our health service. A few page’s back I know you were worried that you might have the virus yourself and I really hope you don’t and if you do you make a full recovery. I get therefore why it is easier for you to deal with your situation by dismissing what you perceive as baseless doom mongering. I have posted a very good synopsis of the scientific knowledge a few pages back. Whilst I agree that the human to dog story is probably utter crap the other statement above your post is bang on correct. I have spent over 40 years working in healthcare and I am no expert in virology but I can usually read research papers and be able to separate fact from fiction. The fact is that this virus has in a few short weeks mutated from an animal to human virus into 2 different strains, (s & l ) of a human to human virus. The drugs being tested (anti malarials ) have only been hailed a “success” by Donald Trump against the advice of experts in the USA. At best they may have some potential, but if anyone starts acquiring and using these drugs from the black market, they could easily end up killing themselves. Trump is more dangerous than the virus itself. I don’t mean to start an argument with anyone over this very serious situation , I just want everyone to be safe and unproven claims of “success” can raise false hope and later anger and outrage if they prove to be false. Stay safe Glasgow Will the American people eventually turn against Trump or are they so thick as to believe his outrageous shit? Maybe when his supporters start dying in their thousands? In the meantime not only does he spout nonsense and release information about drugs being TRIALLED he keeps on calling it the CHINESE virus. What good can possibly come from that? The world needs to come together, the last thing we need is racial hatred being whipped up and the creation of enemies other than the virus! As you say, he is more dangerous than the virus itself and for the good of humanity I so hope that this virus is the end of him one way or the other! BM |
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Post by Gods on Mar 22, 2020 9:28:15 GMT
Trump is saying it's 'totally under control' looks like Trump may have been telling porkies Ha! I remember posting that on that cold dark day back in January and nearly adding "Why does that worry me?" Wish I had now :-) |
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 22, 2020 9:30:12 GMT
6.30am I was having a stroll with the lab across the fields the sun on my back the sky blue
A frost covering the grass and the hawthorn starting to blossom and all seemed fine with the world
Then back to reality without doubt this is going to get a lot worse
Stay safe stay positive and look after the ones you care about the safest way you can
And hopefully we will all be arguing the toss about the ability of Joe Allen etc in the autumn
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Post by elystokie on Mar 22, 2020 9:41:36 GMT
Trump is saying it's 'totally under control' looks like Trump may have been telling porkies Just for a change. I read through the first 20 pages of this thread a few days ago, quite enlightening. Hope those that were telling us we have nothing to worry about give us the reason why soon cos this is going exactly the way a lot predicted and we could really do with the answer they've been hiding. |
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Post by Gods on Mar 22, 2020 9:41:44 GMT
A few page’s back I know you were worried that you might have the virus yourself and I really hope you don’t and if you do you make a full recovery. I get therefore why it is easier for you to deal with your situation by dismissing what you perceive as baseless doom mongering. I have posted a very good synopsis of the scientific knowledge a few pages back. Whilst I agree that the human to dog story is probably utter crap the other statement above your post is bang on correct. I have spent over 40 years working in healthcare and I am no expert in virology but I can usually read research papers and be able to separate fact from fiction. The fact is that this virus has in a few short weeks mutated from an animal to human virus into 2 different strains, (s & l ) of a human to human virus. The drugs being tested (anti malarials ) have only been hailed a “success” by Donald Trump against the advice of experts in the USA. At best they may have some potential, but if anyone starts acquiring and using these drugs from the black market, they could easily end up killing themselves. Trump is more dangerous than the virus itself. I don’t mean to start an argument with anyone over this very serious situation , I just want everyone to be safe and unproven claims of “success” can raise false hope and later anger and outrage if they prove to be false. Stay safe Glasgow Will the American people eventually turn against Trump or are they so thick as to believe his outrageous shit? Maybe when his supporters start dying in their thousands? In the meantime not only does he spout nonsense and release information about drugs being TRIALLED he keeps on calling it the CHINESE virus. What good can possibly come from that? The world needs to come together, the last thing we need is racial hatred being whipped up and the creation of enemies other than the virus! As you say, he is more dangerous than the virus itself and for the good of humanity I so hope that this virus is the end of him one way or the other! BM 'CHINESE virus' is part of the America First schtick that Trump promotes. Everything outside Festung America is evil, doncha know. And he is saving the country from the wicked East....ugh Which is not to say that the Chinese Ministry of State Security isn't responsible for delaying information on the epidemic. Earlier warning would have changed the curve in major ways. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 22, 2020 9:43:50 GMT
looks like Trump may have been telling porkies Just for a change. I read through the first 20 pages of this thread a few days ago, quite enlightening. Hope those that were telling us we have nothing to worry about give us the reason why soon cos this is going exactly the way a lot predicted and we could really do with the answer they've been hiding. Yep it's a strange one, they surely know more than they let on |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 22, 2020 9:46:51 GMT
Bloody hell www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-ten-days-that-shook-britain-and-changed-the-nation-for-ever-spz6sc9vbAt the Sage meeting on March 12, a moment now dubbed the “Domoscene conversion”, Cummings changed his mind. In this “penny-drop moment”, he realised he had helped set a course for catastrophe.
By Friday, March 13, Cummings had become the most outspoken advocate of a tough crackdown. “Dominic himself had a conversion,” a senior Tory said. “He’s gone from ‘herd immunity and let the old people die’, to ‘let’s shut down the country and the economy.’”Extremely scary. You kind of hope that it isn't true but know deep down that you're probably fooling yourself. |
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Post by elystokie on Mar 22, 2020 9:47:38 GMT
Any truth in the blood group theory? It says if you're a 0 person you might have an advantage compared to the A-group. I looked at my military badge made of metal again and it says "0A". Bloody typical! There is no such blood group ... I've been wondering this myself musik, a Dr D'adamo and his son have been studying blood types and their effect on what we should eat for about 40 years, hopefully someone in power has at least considered this possibility. There are certainly different concentrations of different blood types in various parts of the world, I'd take a wild guess at Italy being predominately type A due to their diet. If it mutates tho, even if it (blood type) did initially make a difference it may not any more. Could you be O+? |
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Post by richie22 on Mar 22, 2020 9:53:18 GMT
The pub at the bottom of our road was open last night, I had my suspicions, talking to my neighbour who was nursing a hangover this morning confirmed it, a severe lockdown is coming fast as people cannot behave ..
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Post by Gods on Mar 22, 2020 9:57:49 GMT
Great interview with Stephen Fry on Marr about the mental aspects of dealing with the crisis as a wall of social media terror is thrown at us minute by minute.
His advice in short, let time take on a new dimension, do nothing in a hurry and blank anyone who claims to have some inside line, it's almost always nonsense.
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arrogance 
quack quack quack duck.
