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Post by andystokey on Jan 23, 2021 19:58:02 GMT
I thought a few pages back we had the "who the NHS could / should treat" debate The NHS treats all, irrespective of circumstances, but we have people saying, if you don't take the vaccine you shouldn't have access to the NHS? I thought the NHS was for all, not just the chosen ones? Covid seems to have affected the brains of previously well adjusted people. The "new normal" isn't a very pleasant place. I think I'll hang around with the "old normal" folk and give the others a wide berth.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 23, 2021 20:00:38 GMT
I thought a few pages back we had the "who the NHS could / should treat" debate The NHS treats all, irrespective of circumstances, but we have people saying, if you don't take the vaccine you shouldn't have access to the NHS? I thought the NHS was for all, not just the chosen ones? As I’ve said before, a lot of nurses and NHS workers at North Staffs including my Mrs are choosing not to have the vaccine until some evidence emerges that it doesn’t affect fertility or indeed birth defects. To me that’s their prerogative and shouldn’t be punishable. It is without doubt discriminatory. I dare say there are plenty of other reasons people would choose not to have it until there is some kind of concrete information.
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Post by musik on Jan 23, 2021 20:14:45 GMT
It will take this whole year at least to get the population in Sweden vaccinated.
147.000 people vaccinated so far. 1.37% of our population after One month. Slow.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 23, 2021 20:19:57 GMT
I thought a few pages back we had the "who the NHS could / should treat" debate The NHS treats all, irrespective of circumstances, but we have people saying, if you don't take the vaccine you shouldn't have access to the NHS? I thought the NHS was for all, not just the chosen ones? Covid seems to have affected the brains of previously well adjusted people. The "new normal" isn't a very pleasant place. I think I'll hang around with the "old normal" folk and give the others a wide berth. You won’t need to give the others a wide berth, they’ll be screaming at anyone who steps within a mile of them.
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Post by adri2008 on Jan 23, 2021 20:33:29 GMT
I thought a few pages back we had the "who the NHS could / should treat" debate The NHS treats all, irrespective of circumstances, but we have people saying, if you don't take the vaccine you shouldn't have access to the NHS? I thought the NHS was for all, not just the chosen ones? Covid seems to have affected the brains of previously well adjusted people. The "new normal" isn't a very pleasant place. I think I'll hang around with the "old normal" folk and give the others a wide berth. Alot of my extended family are very involved in the community and big Labour supporters - the sort of people who always look for the good in others. Yet bizarrely they've suddenly become extremely judgemental on all this - laying down the law and borderline abusive to those whose views they disagree with.
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Post by mutters on Jan 23, 2021 20:44:35 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 23, 2021 20:47:44 GMT
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Post by Davef on Jan 23, 2021 20:58:25 GMT
With an article about scientists playing down the new variant from earlier today relegated to five or six stories underneath it.
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Post by mutters on Jan 23, 2021 21:07:25 GMT
With an article about scientists playing down the new variant from earlier today relegated to five or six stories underneath it. Need to keep the agenda on track - it's getting slightly diverted / challenged
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 23, 2021 21:41:46 GMT
In Ireland PM now saying restrictions likely to be in place for at least 6 months with schools unlikely to return before St Patricks.
There are going to be lockdowns for a very long time.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 23, 2021 22:07:47 GMT
In Ireland PM now saying restrictions likely to be in place for at least 6 months with schools unlikely to return before St Patricks. There are going to be lockdowns for a very long time. It’s practically non-existent in Ireland. Deeply, deeply disturbing.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 23, 2021 23:39:24 GMT
Literally what is going on 😂
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Post by musik on Jan 24, 2021 0:26:48 GMT
Literally what is going on 😂 THAT was what Tegnell, FHM, Sweden brought up on TV at the beginning of this week.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jan 24, 2021 1:17:32 GMT
You probably need to stay off this covid thread then. You will see differing views to yours that will obviously upset you. I don't get upset by faceless internet no marks. Differing views is one thing, straight out covid denial is another........ That's a good description of you to be fair.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 24, 2021 1:26:12 GMT
In Ireland PM now saying restrictions likely to be in place for at least 6 months with schools unlikely to return before St Patricks. There are going to be lockdowns for a very long time. It’s practically non-existent in Ireland. Deeply, deeply disturbing. Who told you that? May look small compared to our numbers but population of 5m to 67m. So they’re getting hit pretty bad.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 24, 2021 2:02:09 GMT
Noone is telling porkies, the statutory notices just don't catch most people infected. The excess deaths show it, roughly 75k extra Brits died last year. Covid is killing those tens of thousands, whether there's a "statutory notice" or not. By law all infectious diseases have to be reported to Public Health England. If what you say is the case then a lot of medical proffessionals are not complying with this. How can cases possibly go under the radar given the absolute obssession with the thing? That NOID data you posted is those reported by registered medical practitioners. Not those diagnosed via lab tests which are found here: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/951193/NOIDSOrganismsReport04012021.pdfHospital Labs, sometimes operated by and reported by RMPs will simply not be carrying these out in volume. (For obvious reasons) So the Laboratories are reporting them to PHE, hence the split. So no one is lying, it’s a split in reporting reflecting the fact most diagnoses are being reported by labs operated by people who are not RMPs. NOIDs normally exists to notify PHE of diseases that have the capacity to spread quickly, like measles. An entry into a NOID dataset doesn’t actually require a molecular diagnosis, clinical evidence is enough. That’s been the case since the late 60s to enable a speedy response to a potentially serious disease without having to wait around for a blood culture to grow for instance. So if anything, the fact these numbers are coming from labs doing molecular testing it is actually strengthening the data quality.
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Post by zerps on Jan 24, 2021 6:56:43 GMT
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Post by zerps on Jan 24, 2021 7:01:40 GMT
One thing is for certain, people will choose career paths differently.
Essential works will Shirley be top priority in the future. The construction industry will see an influx of fresh blood along with nhs.
It’s been much needed for years too.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 24, 2021 7:32:14 GMT
I don't get upset by faceless internet no marks. Differing views is one thing, straight out covid denial is another........ That's a good description of you to be fair. I’ve met many people on here over the years. Mainly from the days when it was more of a community before the wind up merchants moved in. You keep trying to get a bite, but you’re still bringing absolutely nothing to the party........
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 24, 2021 7:36:23 GMT
This is worth a read... Why Imperial College’s REACT study is so problematicIt is perfectly ok for experts to disagree, but they have an obligation to present their findings honestly. Imperial College would appear to have not done this, as that article demonstrates.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 24, 2021 7:48:38 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked
But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked
Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked
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Post by hotterpotter on Jan 24, 2021 8:21:31 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked ☹️ Nearly a year of this now and no real sign of an end. To cap it all off my Mum's birthday will be known as Lockdown 1.0 Day from now on. Mind you mine's Hiroshima Day so not much better. Sister's is D-Day - much more upbeat!
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 24, 2021 8:38:38 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked I believe it’s called “managing expectations”
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Post by oggyoggy on Jan 24, 2021 8:38:50 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked It is as if the government have a media campaign with the aim of excusing their pathetic approach to dealing with the virus compared with everywhere else. 100,000 deaths and being top of the death rate charts is not excused by the difficulty of the situation because everyone is dealing with the same pandemic.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 24, 2021 8:41:14 GMT
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Post by westlandstokie on Jan 24, 2021 8:41:34 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked Spot on Salop...it does seem that every time we get a little piece of good news it’s instantly shot down with bad news. I’ve resigned myself to this shit lasting another 12 months...it’s as if the Government don’t want it to end...why would that be ? I’ve got my thoughts on this but it’s not for on here.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 24, 2021 8:41:38 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Jan 24, 2021 8:42:11 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 8:47:41 GMT
So If vaccinated people pass it on then until the whole country is vaccinated we are fucked But hold on the vaccination may not sort every strain so we are fucked Every time there is some glimmer of home the government and their science move the goal posts so we are fucked I believe it’s called “managing expectations” Well if that's the case then they are doing a staggeringly bad job of it.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 24, 2021 8:48:50 GMT
*the totalitarian mob dislike this*
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