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Post by fulagoals on Mar 21, 2020 13:14:59 GMT
Having read most of this thread (but I've forgotten most of it), I reckon we'll have to start having slots booked by the Sir Stan to settle some scores when this is all over. Either that or we can have a 'settling scores day' actually in the ground. I can just see it now. The ground is packed. 28,000 rabid Stokies, slobbering like wild dogs, packed into every seat. (Tickets were sold out in 24 hours after Mr Scholes introduced a range of rare element cards for priority seating.) That bloke who normally announces stuff gets ready. Pottermus is in overdrive trying to make things even worse - rabid-dogwise. Then a deathly silence comes over the place. "Laydeeeeeeees and Geeeeeeentlemen... we have our first bout. In the blue corner by the north scoreboard we have Old Clem... the chap who puts his bins out only when he sees the bloke who lives over the chip shop that cooks stuff using lard and not this modern oil crap do it. And in the red corner by the south scoreboard we have the rotund Sheik Momo, the left winger and Trotskyist of The Oatcake." The place erupts. Old Clem, fists raised in the air, gives the crowd a massive grin, revealing a set of false gnashers that he's honed to look like sharks' teeth with a double-cut and rasp file. Over in the other corner, Victor Momo does a sort of African tribal dance but falls over due to his rotundidity. But he bounces up again like a rubber ball, displaying his unbelievable agility for such a rotund person. "Laydeeeeeees and Gentleeeeemen.... let the battle commence" The two 'warriors' approach the centre circle... snarling at each other like a pair of complete Jack Russells. Round and round they go without encroaching into the circle. After thirty minutes of this and the crowd baying, "Handbags! Handbags! Handbags!", the bloke who announces stuff yells into his mike, "Laydeeeeees and Gentleeeeemen! The contest is a draw. (Both combatants retire to their respective scoreboards.) I now introduce the next opponents. By the scoreboard in the south corner we have Felonious...."  OS. Hmmm was thinking about any confrontational episodes about to develop around the Sir Stan statue. What with social distancing how are two able bodied fine gents supposed to sort their differences? Maybe a jousting contest? Those poles are way longer than 6ft aren’t they?? |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 21, 2020 13:21:37 GMT
One of the coronavirus vaccines being tested is that which was used for Ebola and SARS. That’s the Antivirals isn’t it? I'm no scientist mate but a pal of mine is. They believe they have a vaccine to tackle this virus but it takes time to prove it works. There was a woman on sky news earlier explaining it. There are several possible vaccines that have been developed but none will be available to tackle this immediate crisis, short term at least. |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Mar 21, 2020 13:29:01 GMT
That’s the Antivirals isn’t it? I'm no scientist mate but a pal of mine is. They believe they have a vaccine to tackle this virus but it takes time to prove it works. There was a woman on sky news earlier explaining it. There are several possible vaccines that have been developed but none will be available to tackle this immediate crisis, short term at least. Yeah they have lots in development but I doubt it will be the same vaccine as they now have for Ebola cause it’s a novel disease in a different virus family and I doubt the antibodies raised (what you fight a disease with) will match the coronavirus antigens (what triggers that response). If you see an article or something though I’d be really interested. There are loads of coronavirus vaccines waiting to be fast tracked though, that is absolutely correct. But there’s loads of potential for the anti-virals they used and are now testing that have broad spectrum anti-virals that have had decent success in treating HIV and Ebola etc. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2020/03/13/coronavirus-drug-update-the-latest-info-on-pharmaceutical-treatments-and-vaccines/amp/The technology they used to identify the Ebola vaccine will be deep sequencing genomic stuff, that can be applied to any virus but it will find a different target etc. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 21, 2020 13:31:45 GMT
There's a doctor who regularly writes in Private Eye. He's written this week that being beset by fear and worry makes the immune system more vulnerable, and can enhance the effects and after-effects of the virus. Staying in good spirits is a genuinely good way to stay healthy, rather than looking at all the doom and gloom in the newspapers.
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Post by Timmypotter on Mar 21, 2020 14:10:07 GMT
There's a doctor who regularly writes in Private Eye. He's written this week that being beset by fear and worry makes the immune system more vulnerable, and can enhance the effects and after-effects of the virus. Staying in good spirits is a genuinely good way to stay healthy, rather than looking at all the doom and gloom in the newspapers. This is worth remembering. You really can think yourself ill. Eat as well as you can, get outside as much as possible and laugh every opportunity you get. If you're on twitter these people might make you chuckle: @ofalafel@mooseallain@mralistairgreen@thesimonevans@bobservant@realbobmortimer@jamesmoir10 |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 21, 2020 14:21:33 GMT
Most informative description I have read so far! Shared by an NHS colleague to a Coronavirus Group, set up to share advice and support for NHS staff 👍🏻 Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand... It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics. Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot. Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off. Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be.. H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too. Fast forward. Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery” This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it. And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs.. That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine. We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu. Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation... And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next. Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now. #flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on. With respect mate (and I do respect your intention) circulating stuff like that can have the opposite effect. Your missive and message of 'we really have no tools on our shed for this one" offers little in the way of a positive outcome. If there's no hope why not be wreckless? |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 21, 2020 14:27:26 GMT
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 21, 2020 14:40:22 GMT
I have heard one or two references in the last few days of a new or different sympton of an infection, where the affected individual loses their sense of taste and has a "metallic" feeling in their throat. I think a Sky news chap asked about something similar in todays Government press conference.
Anybody know if this is a new manifestation of the Coronavirus infection or something different confusing the issues?
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Post by Timmypotter on Mar 21, 2020 14:50:41 GMT
I have heard one or two references in the last few days of a new or different sympton of an infection, where the affected individual loses their sense of taste and has a "metallic" feeling in their throat. I think a Sky news chap asked about something similar in todays Government press conference. Anybody know if this is a new manifestation of the Coronavirus infection or something different confusing the issues? |
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Post by theincontinents on Mar 21, 2020 14:52:32 GMT
Most informative description I have read so far! Shared by an NHS colleague to a Coronavirus Group, set up to share advice and support for NHS staff 👍🏻 Feeling confused as to why Coronavirus is a bigger deal than Seasonal flu? Here it is in a nutshell. I hope this helps. Feel free to share this to others who don’t understand... It has to do with RNA sequencing.... I.e. genetics. Seasonal flu is an “all human virus”. The DNA/RNA chains that make up the virus are recognized by the human immune system. This means that your body has some immunity to it before it comes around each year... you get immunity two ways...through exposure to a virus, or by getting a flu shot. Novel viruses, come from animals.... the WHO tracks novel viruses in animals, (sometimes for years watching for mutations). Usually these viruses only transfer from animal to animal (pigs in the case of H1N1) (birds in the case of the Spanish flu). But once, one of these animal viruses mutates, and starts to transfer from animals to humans... then it’s a problem, Why? Because we have no natural or acquired immunity.. the RNA sequencing of the genes inside the virus isn’t human, and the human immune system doesn’t recognize it so, we can’t fight it off. Now.... sometimes, the mutation only allows transfer from animal to human, for years it’s only transmission is from an infected animal to a human before it finally mutates so that it can now transfer human to human... once that happens..we have a new contagion phase. And depending on the fashion of this new mutation, thats what decides how contagious, or how deadly it’s gonna be.. H1N1 was deadly....but it did not mutate in a way that was as deadly as the Spanish flu. It’s RNA was slower to mutate and it attacked its host differently, too. Fast forward. Now, here comes this Coronavirus... it existed in animals only, for nobody knows how long...but one day, at an animal market, in Wuhan China, in December 2019, it mutated and made the jump from animal to people. At first, only animals could give it to a person... But here is the scary part.... in just TWO WEEKS it mutated again and gained the ability to jump from human to human. Scientists call this quick ability, “slippery” This Coronavirus, not being in any form a “human” virus (whereas we would all have some natural or acquired immunity). Took off like a rocket. And this was because, Humans have no known immunity...doctors have no known medicines for it. And it just so happens that this particular mutated animal virus, changed itself in such a way the way that it causes great damage to human lungs.. That’s why Coronavirus is different from seasonal flu, or H1N1 or any other type of influenza.... this one is slippery AF. And it’s a lung eater...And, it’s already mutated AGAIN, so that we now have two strains to deal with, strain s, and strain L....which makes it twice as hard to develop a vaccine. We really have no tools in our shed, with this. History has shown that fast and immediate closings of public places has helped in the past pandemics. Philadelphia and Baltimore were reluctant to close events in 1918 and they were the hardest hit in the US during the Spanish Flu. Factoid: Henry VIII stayed in his room and allowed no one near him, till the Black Plague passed...(honestly...I understand him so much better now). Just like us, he had no tools in his shed, except social isolation... And let me end by saying....right now it’s hitting older folks harder... but this genome is so slippery...if it mutates again (and it will). Who is to say, what it will do next. Be smart folks... acting like you’re unafraid is so not sexy right now. #flattenthecurve. Stay home folks... and share this to those that just are not catching on. With respect mate (and I do respect your intention) circulating stuff like that can have the opposite effect. Your missive and message of 'we really have no tools on our shed for this one" offers little in the way of a positive outcome. If there's no hope why not be wreckless? In all fairness only the first paragraph is mine, it’s not a message of hopelessness, it’s one of the scientific facts to date. I agree that the “no tools “ statement is possibly slightly too harsh, but having witnessed that complete bellend Tim Martin on sky news this morning trying to tell people that you can’t catch the virus in a pub, perhaps the above is the balance on the scales that is required. Stay safe |
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Post by felonious on Mar 21, 2020 14:56:24 GMT
The self employed should be included, their support from the government should be proportionate to the earnings and tax that they declare to HMRC and paid at 80% rate, the same as PAYE. Edit: Up to the £2.5k limit This. They know what you're earning, you told them last Tax Year. It's easy to do. I'm assuming that one of the problems is knowing which of the self employed are having issues. DIY, Home improvement, paint/ wallpaper is going through the roof. I'd be surprised if tradesmen were immediately affected since my experience is that you can't get them for months ahead. Plumbers, electricians, joiners, builders,etc. I would imagine that once the problems are fed back into the system they'll be recompensed like everyone else. At the moment there are grants of £10,000 for businesses on small business rate relief and £25,000 for the band above. The loan scheme coming in gives 80% guarantees to banks. The next VAT payment has been pushed forward and the July tax payments moved as well. To anyone self employed not seeing the benefit of the above I reckon it will be addressed. It appears that everything else has. |
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Post by felonious on Mar 21, 2020 15:02:12 GMT
The Government's apparent lack of thinking about things like this is astonishing. You honestly believe there is no thinking, 26.5m employed, 4.6m self employed people got to concentrate on the majority first, the 4.6m self employed will require more tailored measures and they have already delayed IR35 and people having to pay their self assessment tax. The IR35 climbdown is major although I'm hearing that end users have already pushed contractors into the PAYE system rather than have any future battle with HMRC. In many cases that PAYE will be operated by agencies so one has to hope that the end users continue with the contracts. Unfortunately it was due to start on the 6th April so there is a limbo period before employment starts. |
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Post by felonious on Mar 21, 2020 15:05:57 GMT
You honestly believe there is no thinking, 26.5m employed, 4.6m self employed people got to concentrate on the majority first, the 4.6m self employed will require more tailored measures and they have already delayed IR35 and people having to pay their self assessment tax. Lack of thinking about the effect of making the announcement about the employed with seemingly no thought of how it would make the self-employed feel. This crisis has affected every single aspect of life in this country. It's pie in the sky to think it can all be dealt with overnight. The complexities the government are having to deal with on every level are mind boggling with health coming first. |
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 21, 2020 15:29:04 GMT
Lack of thinking about the effect of making the announcement about the employed with seemingly no thought of how it would make the self-employed feel. This crisis has affected every single aspect of life in this country. It's pie in the sky to think it can all be dealt with overnight. The complexities the government are having to deal with on every level are mind boggling with health coming first. It's not just about income is it , most people , young people in particular are highly geared financially. They need to get on the phone and speak to their finance , mortgage, credit card, companies . Take payment holidays wherever possible. This will take some of the pressure off |
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Post by whakka on Mar 21, 2020 15:46:41 GMT
Judging from the amount of people I've seen out and about in the countryside whilst delivering flowers people are treating it like a national holiday even people sitting outside a pub with a pint😳
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 21, 2020 15:48:14 GMT
With respect mate (and I do respect your intention) circulating stuff like that can have the opposite effect. Your missive and message of 'we really have no tools on our shed for this one" offers little in the way of a positive outcome. If there's no hope why not be wreckless? In all fairness only the first paragraph is mine, it’s not a message of hopelessness, it’s one of the scientific facts to date. I agree that the “no tools “ statement is possibly slightly too harsh, but having witnessed that complete bellend Tim Martin on sky news this morning trying to tell people that you can’t catch the virus in a pub, perhaps the above is the balance on the scales that is required. Stay safe We're certainly on the same page re-Tim Martin. If you've got time on your hands read 'Identity Crisis' by Ben Elton. His thinly veiled character Tim Spoons skewers him wonderfully. |
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Post by zerps on Mar 21, 2020 15:52:26 GMT
Judging from the amount of people I've seen out and about in the countryside whilst delivering flowers people are treating it like a national holiday even people sitting outside a pub with a pint😳 Wheres the pub mate 👀 |
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Mar 21, 2020 15:52:29 GMT
With respect mate (and I do respect your intention) circulating stuff like that can have the opposite effect. Your missive and message of 'we really have no tools on our shed for this one" offers little in the way of a positive outcome. If there's no hope why not be wreckless? In all fairness only the first paragraph is mine, it’s not a message of hopelessness, it’s one of the scientific facts to date. I agree that the “no tools “ statement is possibly slightly too harsh, but having witnessed that complete bellend Tim Martin on sky news this morning trying to tell people that you can’t catch the virus in a pub, perhaps the above is the balance on the scales that is required. Stay safe Oh - and one other fun fact - the reign of Henry VIII was two hundred years after the Black Death. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 15:57:13 GMT
What exactly does a knighthood mean, in the days where people inside the family that dish them out have exceptionally ropey associates? It used to mean something to me, a pillar to respect and look up to but nowadays it isn't worth the paper(?) it's written on. As for that cretin, I simply don't have the words. |
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Post by whakka on Mar 21, 2020 15:58:45 GMT
Judging from the amount of people I've seen out and about in the countryside whilst delivering flowers people are treating it like a national holiday even people sitting outside a pub with a pint😳 Wheres the pub mate 👀 Langley just outside Macclesfield 😂 |
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Post by zerps on Mar 21, 2020 16:04:03 GMT
Langley just outside Macclesfield 😂 Postcode? |
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Post by adi on Mar 21, 2020 16:05:25 GMT
Very marmite. I’m on the ‘I hate marmite’ camp personally, but whatever gets you through these testing times 🙏 Your in the same category as my wife then. Despises it. You want see her face when I get “The Fast Show” box set out. It’s going to be a long isolation for her. 😅 I wish I did enjoy it as you can never find too much stuff funny, but I just think it’s shite 😂 each to their own! |
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Post by whakka on Mar 21, 2020 16:09:11 GMT
Langley just outside Macclesfield 😂 Postcode? sk11 0de ish |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Mar 21, 2020 16:12:12 GMT
Should we still be having sex?
Experts say there is no evidence yet that Covid-19 can be spread sexually but we already know the respiratory illness can transmit through close or direct contact with those who have it.
We all should be distancing ourselves from unnecessary contact with others, to help stop the spread, and we know kissing can easily spread the virus.
So if you're single, it's best you avoid dating for a while - unless it's done at a safe distance [BBC]
If anybody is doing this at 2 metres distance....do tell.
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Post by whakka on Mar 21, 2020 16:13:03 GMT
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 21, 2020 16:14:55 GMT
Is this what you’re talking about. “Boris bashers need to cut it out” It hasn’t even started. Boris has been exposed. Get over it & stop pouting. The Torys have had a propaganda machine working for them in form of the media for decades, sniping at anyone who argued with them. FFS, Until this hit the fan, they’d stopped giving the National broadcasters interviews. “He’s been weighed in the scales of righteousness & found wanting”⚖️ |
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Post by adi on Mar 21, 2020 16:18:17 GMT
In a time of crisis, bringing politics into it to bash a particular individual or party says more about the opposition imo.
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Post by theincontinents on Mar 21, 2020 16:24:18 GMT
In all fairness only the first paragraph is mine, it’s not a message of hopelessness, it’s one of the scientific facts to date. I agree that the “no tools “ statement is possibly slightly too harsh, but having witnessed that complete bellend Tim Martin on sky news this morning trying to tell people that you can’t catch the virus in a pub, perhaps the above is the balance on the scales that is required. Stay safe Oh - and one other fun fact - the reign of Henry VIII was two hundred years after the Black Death. Agreed, they shouldn’t have said Black Plague the virus in his time was known as the sweating sickness www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/the-mysterious-epidemic-that-terrified-henry-viii |
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Post by zerps on Mar 21, 2020 16:26:24 GMT
Tbf there were still cases of the black death upto the 20th century. |
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Post by felonious on Mar 21, 2020 16:30:10 GMT
I've been reliably told that the hoarders have cleared the shelves of Tampons  |
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