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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 13, 2021 22:40:58 GMT
Heartbreaking indeed, and tragic that family members aren't permitted to share the final moments of their loved ones' lives. Yet an ITV news crew can somehow get access to film in an intensive care ward... There you go. He does have a point mate on this because there’s no way any of us want a family member lying there on their own dying surely🤔But how the NHS could make this happen in the current situation god knows
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 13, 2021 22:43:23 GMT
Another pillock having a go at a genuine news report that is trying to highlight the grave dangers of this pandemic. They were given a one off access for a national emergency news report to highlight the magnitude of this virus. The access of individual countless families would be absolutely crazy on so many levels. Heartbreaking... yes. Get a grip man.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 13, 2021 22:43:57 GMT
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Post by Davef on Jan 13, 2021 22:48:29 GMT
Another pillock having a go at a genuine news report that is trying to highlight the grave dangers of this pandemic. They were given a one off access for a national emergency news report to highlight the magnitude of this virus. The access of individual countless families would be absolutely crazy on so many levels. Heartbreaking... yes. Get a grip man. One off? You're joking aren't you?! There have been reports like this all through the pandemic. Ross Kemp was even given access to an intensive care ward for crying out loud. Camera crews given access to these wards when staff are supposedly run off their feet and families aren't allowed to spend time with their dying loved ones is morally repugnant. I certainly don't feel the need to see people in severe distress or dying, but each to their own.
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 13, 2021 22:56:28 GMT
Another pillock having a go at a genuine news report that is trying to highlight the grave dangers of this pandemic. They were given a one off access for a national emergency news report to highlight the magnitude of this virus. The access of individual countless families would be absolutely crazy on so many levels. Heartbreaking... yes. Get a grip man. One off? You're joking aren't you?! There have been reports like this all through the pandemic. Ross Kemp was even given access to an intensive care ward for crying out loud. Camera crews given access to these wards when staff are supposedly run off their feet and families aren't allowed to spend time with their dying loved ones is morally repugnant. It's called a free society mate. The majority of these reports are trying to get the thick fuckers on this island that this is a PANDEMIC. "Morally repugnant" ?? Tragic and heartbreaking. Yes. Get off your fucking high horse and knuckle down. It's a bastard global emergency and we need to try to follow the guidelines. We all know that it is terribly hard on people and the mental health situation is horrendous. But pick your fights later boyo.. With the right people. Maybe with this government.
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 13, 2021 22:56:58 GMT
A one dose vaccine would be a huge win for everyone.
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 13, 2021 23:17:48 GMT
I hope it's not but wouldn't surprise me. I remember seeing something on the news months ago about people in the far East having a similar thing on their phone (can't remember the country) basically it was a hybrid of track and trace and health passport all in one and they literally had to scan themselves in everywhere, including travel. If they went somewhere they shouldn't the authorities would be on their case. I do have a problem with it being rolled out like this though whilst vaccines are no where near being done. This might be a bit of a generalistic view but when most of the population have sacrificed so much (everything in some cases) to protect the vulnerable, why should certain people get additional freedoms months before the rest of us? Why should a group of over 50s be going on their holidays when everyone under 40/50 might not be able to? If this is the future, it shouldn't be rolled out until the whole population is on a level field - i.e vaccinated or at least given the option. My bestest buddy lives in Qatar, when they quarantined when you were allowed in and out of the country, they put an app on your phone which was yellow, this would not change to green until you had done 14 days in quarantine. So if you were out and they caught you they would know you were breaking the rules. You just don't mess about in that country, massive fines for non mask compliance
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 13, 2021 23:21:07 GMT
So why are all the people who have been posting for months about the overreaction to Covid either stopped posting or are posting increasingly irrelevant crap? To avoid admitting they got it completely wrong?
No shame in admitting to being wrong. What is shameful is advocating policies and behaviours that will make a shit situation worse when it's bleeding obvious that that is what would happen.
Is saving face really that important?
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 13, 2021 23:22:19 GMT
Heartbreaking indeed, and tragic that family members aren't permitted to share the final moments of their loved ones' lives. Yet an ITV news crew can somehow get access to film in an intensive care ward... Yes fair point Dave Because its camera crew will not be sitting holding their hand, and crying, hugging and wanting that final touch like so many poor families want at the end of their loved ones life.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 13, 2021 23:25:20 GMT
So why are all the people who have been posting for months about the overreaction to Covid either stopped posting or are posting increasingly irrelevant crap? To avoid admitting they got it completely wrong? No shame in admitting to being wrong. What is shameful is advocating policies and behaviours that will make a shit situation worse when it's bleeding obvious that that is what would happen. Is saving face really that important? The same has happened on Twitter also
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 13, 2021 23:27:55 GMT
So why are all the people who have been posting for months about the overreaction to Covid either stopped posting or are posting increasingly irrelevant crap? To avoid admitting they got it completely wrong? No shame in admitting to being wrong. What is shameful is advocating policies and behaviours that will make a shit situation worse when it's bleeding obvious that that is what would happen. Is saving face really that important? I’ve taken a break from the internet and sanctimonious social justice warriors in an effort to try and stay sane and therefore alive, you know being mentally ill and all. This isn’t a fucking pissing contest as much as you want it to be.
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 13, 2021 23:32:47 GMT
Another pillock having a go at a genuine news report that is trying to highlight the grave dangers of this pandemic. They were given a one off access for a national emergency news report to highlight the magnitude of this virus. The access of individual countless families would be absolutely crazy on so many levels. Heartbreaking... yes. Get a grip man. The repercussions of not allowing crews in to reflect the truth of the harrowing effects of this disease only serves right in to the hands of the covid skeptics and all the deranged idiots that think this is just a hoax. By showing what is happening there is a transparency to the public that this is why we are being asked to stay at home. As an icu nurse it makes my blood boil that the damage that protestors and skeptics do is unimaginable. Those pillocks who were caught at queens hospital the other day should have been taken to icu, don't give them any ppe, they won't need it I they believe it is a hoax and Bullshit, take them in to the unit and witness what is going on in there, they went to see something so go and have a look, in fact they could always help. Get right up close in an aerosol generating procedure and see if they would not shit themselves. Let's see the fear in their eyes that they may be inhaling the evil virus this is. I would love to see that I really would. In fact whilst they are there they could facetime the family of the next poor patient that cannot go on and has hit the ceiling in their care, they could break the news to them. Then tell me this isn't real .
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Post by smallthorner on Jan 13, 2021 23:33:44 GMT
So why are all the people who have been posting for months about the overreaction to Covid either stopped posting or are posting increasingly irrelevant crap? To avoid admitting they got it completely wrong? No shame in admitting to being wrong. What is shameful is advocating policies and behaviours that will make a shit situation worse when it's bleeding obvious that that is what would happen. Is saving face really that important? I’ve taken a break from the internet and sanctimonious social justice warriors in an effort to try and stay sane and therefore alive, you know being mentally ill and all. This isn’t a fucking pissing contest as much as you want it to be. It's a two way street matey. 👍
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 13, 2021 23:33:54 GMT
Piss up in a brewery come to mind
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2021 23:36:48 GMT
So why are all the people who have been posting for months about the overreaction to Covid either stopped posting or are posting increasingly irrelevant crap? To avoid admitting they got it completely wrong? No shame in admitting to being wrong. What is shameful is advocating policies and behaviours that will make a shit situation worse when it's bleeding obvious that that is what would happen. Is saving face really that important? I’ve been in the middle. But it got worse during the last lockdown. And infections have been decreasing from before this lockdown. I’m not really sure we’ve seen any evidence lockdowns work in the last 2 months.
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Post by musik on Jan 13, 2021 23:39:11 GMT
Latest
Sweden have so far got 80000 people vaccinated and out of these 80000 people 40 have reported side effects, including 17 severe cases.
One got an allergic shock. One has got facial paralysis. There have also been 7 death cases. However these are still under examination, so they could have died and probably did die of something else.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 13, 2021 23:44:02 GMT
So why are all the people who have been posting for months about the overreaction to Covid either stopped posting or are posting increasingly irrelevant crap? To avoid admitting they got it completely wrong? No shame in admitting to being wrong. What is shameful is advocating policies and behaviours that will make a shit situation worse when it's bleeding obvious that that is what would happen. Is saving face really that important? It really is to some on here yes. Rather than just apologise or stop posting at all they just find other angles and nonsense to post thinking they're being clever. Its called arrogance and I'm just glad I don't know these people personally.
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 13, 2021 23:44:35 GMT
Latest Sweden have so far got 80000 people vaccinated and out of these 80000 people 40 have reported side effects, including 17 severe cases. One got an allergic shock. One has got face paralyzation. There have also been 7 death cases. However these are still under examination, so they could have died and probably did die of something else. Bells palsy is a very rare side effect, anaphylaxis can occur, this is all within the realms of side effects. These side effects will occur. The 7 deaths cannot be linked as a direct result of inoculation or given the thousands of volunteers that were given the jab over the countries they were there would be more deaths than the 0 reported.
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Post by Gods on Jan 13, 2021 23:54:46 GMT
So why are all the people who have been posting for months about the overreaction to Covid either stopped posting or are posting increasingly irrelevant crap? To avoid admitting they got it completely wrong? No shame in admitting to being wrong. What is shameful is advocating policies and behaviours that will make a shit situation worse when it's bleeding obvious that that is what would happen. Is saving face really that important? Sadly they bought and recycled this kind of shit from Michael Yeadon in his October Blog post: The coronavirus pandemic is “effectively over” in the United Kingdom and “there is absolutely no need for vaccines."I suppose I'm not sure if I'd shout it from the roof tops if I got scammed by a con man on the internet.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jan 14, 2021 0:05:00 GMT
So why are all the people who have been posting for months about the overreaction to Covid either stopped posting or are posting increasingly irrelevant crap? To avoid admitting they got it completely wrong? No shame in admitting to being wrong. What is shameful is advocating policies and behaviours that will make a shit situation worse when it's bleeding obvious that that is what would happen. Is saving face really that important? I’ve taken a break from the internet and sanctimonious social justice warriors in an effort to try and stay sane and therefore alive, you know being mentally ill and all. This isn’t a fucking pissing contest as much as you want it to be. Good to see you back marra ! 👍
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jan 14, 2021 0:14:45 GMT
Just got Sky News on now ...
"Public Health England have carried out a huge comprehensive study, which suggests that contracting Coronavirus, gives at least as good an immune defence against future infections as a vaccine. Prior illness provided around 85% protection against asymptomatic and symptomatic reinfection."
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2021 0:31:00 GMT
So why are all the people who have been posting for months about the overreaction to Covid either stopped posting or are posting increasingly irrelevant crap? To avoid admitting they got it completely wrong? No shame in admitting to being wrong. What is shameful is advocating policies and behaviours that will make a shit situation worse when it's bleeding obvious that that is what would happen. Is saving face really that important? Sadly they bought and recycled this kind of shit from Michael Yeadon in his October Blog post: The coronavirus pandemic is “effectively over” in the United Kingdom and “there is absolutely no need for vaccines."I suppose I'm not sure if I'd shout it from the roof tops if I got scammed by a con man on the internet. Again. I’ve been in the middle of the two factions on this. I think both sides have made good arguments tbh. And I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. It definitely hasn’t been as bad as the models and all that shit predicted it would be. But it’s definitely been bad. I do struggle to square a lot of what has gone on though when the average of those that are dying from it is at or above the average age of death in the country. And I honestly don’t think there’s that good of an argument when you look at it like that to justify what’s happening. And that’s not to say these people aren’t important. They totally are. And more efforts needed to be done to protect them from the get go. But from the off I would have done things differently from the govt. And that’s how I judge things. What would I do? This is a kind of timeline/recollection of where I’ve been and my contrasting thoughts on it. I remember joking about it in January. The Hull game I have never noticed so many blokes washing their hands. Grim bastards from before. In March I would have shut the country at least a week sooner and I think that would have made a big difference. And I would have done it hard to try and eliminate it. No flights in or out at that point bar for repatriation. But still not great and still too late but I’m being honest. I honestly think they went for herd immunity without a vaccine which is daft. I think they opened up the north too soon hence why it never really went from Manchester in the summer. Schools should not have opened in September as they did. Clearly was always going to be a fuck up with no social distancing in place. The lockdown in November was a farce. Christmas should have been banned from the get go. And I’m not sure this lockdown is needed either despite what’s going on. Since September we needed to ration school essentially, find a way of actually perfecting care homes and get track and trace working. They are the 3 biggest fuck ups imo and all avoidable and all I can say aren’t hindsight. I think the mass testing is bollocks mind. See www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851 A massive waste of money that is very debatable as to whether it’s actually helping anything. The emergence of the NHS as a big a problem as anything as a vector for this thing is deeply concerning too. The infections that are occurring in hospitals should be national news with people that get paid lots of money being forced to find ways of sorting it. Instead we seem to have a head in the sand mentality that doesn’t want to talk about anything that is diverging from the norm. Which is such a bad and dangerous mentality to have. A third of deaths from care homes too. Why aren’t people talking about that? The NHS and care homes infections are something we should be able to control and we are failing. So far from seeing both sides on this thread and thinking that there’s some great and some utter tripe on both sides the biggest thing that stuck out for me was Paul posting a link to a doctor in NY in about April. He had been pilloried for suggesting ventilators weren’t the best way to treat this and that actually it was more than a long disease. The bloke was passionate, he clearly wasn’t a crank and he cared about those he was treating and those he had lost. But people weren’t listening because it didn’t conform to the popular belief. From what I can gather his beliefs and what he was witnessing is far closer to what is considered the better treatment now and ventilators are the last resort whereas they were the go to, the saviour to start with. So I guess what I’m saying is I just wish more people would open their eyes to both sides of it because actually past the entrenched modernity of the argument where either side isn’t for turning, there is actually good stuff on both sides. And by good stuff, I mean thought provoking, viewpoint altering stuff. But quite a lot of people from either side don’t want to hear it. It’s the same for the wider world too. And I honestly think it’s a really fucking shit place to be and not how to look at anything.
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Post by stokeykez on Jan 14, 2021 0:38:20 GMT
Just got Sky News on now ... "Public Health England have carried out a huge comprehensive study, which suggests that contracting Coronavirus, gives at least as good an immune defence against future infections as a vaccine. Prior illness provided around 85% protection against asymptomatic and symptomatic reinfection." Good that immunity comes from such an awful disease but does not stop possible transmission. I would still rather have a vaccine than covid
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 14, 2021 1:45:49 GMT
Because its camera crew will not be sitting holding their hand, and crying, hugging and wanting that final touch like so many poor families want at the end of their loved ones life. It's a horrible situation for anyone with loved ones in hospitals. But it's 100s of camera crews to get the news out versus visitors for each of the 300k patients admitted and it doesn't seem crazy to let in the media but not family. Horrible and it feels unfair, but it might end up saving lives if the news makes people careful.
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Post by westlandstokie on Jan 14, 2021 7:03:28 GMT
I read on here that some of you have been invited for a flu jab. My invite came in the post yesterday too...first one for me as I’m just in the age range.
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Post by pipegatepotter on Jan 14, 2021 7:16:23 GMT
I read on here that some of you have been invited for a flu jab. My invite came in the post yesterday too...first one for me as I’m just in the age range. Yes, I had my first ever flu jab this week. She said they had brought the age down this year. In and out in about 2 minutes.
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Post by hcstokie on Jan 14, 2021 7:27:22 GMT
Sadly they bought and recycled this kind of shit from Michael Yeadon in his October Blog post: The coronavirus pandemic is “effectively over” in the United Kingdom and “there is absolutely no need for vaccines."I suppose I'm not sure if I'd shout it from the roof tops if I got scammed by a con man on the internet. Again. I’ve been in the middle of the two factions on this. I think both sides have made good arguments tbh. And I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. It definitely hasn’t been as bad as the models and all that shit predicted it would be. But it’s definitely been bad. I do struggle to square a lot of what has gone on though when the average of those that are dying from it is at or above the average age of death in the country. And I honestly don’t think there’s that good of an argument when you look at it like that to justify what’s happening. And that’s not to say these people aren’t important. They totally are. And more efforts needed to be done to protect them from the get go. But from the off I would have done things differently from the govt. And that’s how I judge things. What would I do? This is a kind of timeline/recollection of where I’ve been and my contrasting thoughts on it. I remember joking about it in January. The Hull game I have never noticed so many blokes washing their hands. Grim bastards from before. In March I would have shut the country at least a week sooner and I think that would have made a big difference. And I would have done it hard to try and eliminate it. No flights in or out at that point bar for repatriation. But still not great and still too late but I’m being honest. I honestly think they went for herd immunity without a vaccine which is daft. I think they opened up the north too soon hence why it never really went from Manchester in the summer. Schools should not have opened in September as they did. Clearly was always going to be a fuck up with no social distancing in place. The lockdown in November was a farce. Christmas should have been banned from the get go. And I’m not sure this lockdown is needed either despite what’s going on. Since September we needed to ration school essentially, find a way of actually perfecting care homes and get track and trace working. They are the 3 biggest fuck ups imo and all avoidable and all I can say aren’t hindsight. I think the mass testing is bollocks mind. See www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851 A massive waste of money that is very debatable as to whether it’s actually helping anything. The emergence of the NHS as a big a problem as anything as a vector for this thing is deeply concerning too. The infections that are occurring in hospitals should be national news with people that get paid lots of money being forced to find ways of sorting it. Instead we seem to have a head in the sand mentality that doesn’t want to talk about anything that is diverging from the norm. Which is such a bad and dangerous mentality to have. A third of deaths from care homes too. Why aren’t people talking about that? The NHS and care homes infections are something we should be able to control and we are failing. So far from seeing both sides on this thread and thinking that there’s some great and some utter tripe on both sides the biggest thing that stuck out for me was Paul posting a link to a doctor in NY in about April. He had been pilloried for suggesting ventilators weren’t the best way to treat this and that actually it was more than a long disease. The bloke was passionate, he clearly wasn’t a crank and he cared about those he was treating and those he had lost. But people weren’t listening because it didn’t conform to the popular belief. From what I can gather his beliefs and what he was witnessing is far closer to what is considered the better treatment now and ventilators are the last resort whereas they were the go to, the saviour to start with. So I guess what I’m saying is I just wish more people would open their eyes to both sides of it because actually past the entrenched modernity of the argument where either side isn’t for turning, there is actually good stuff on both sides. And by good stuff, I mean thought provoking, viewpoint altering stuff. But quite a lot of people from either side don’t want to hear it. It’s the same for the wider world too. And I honestly think it’s a really fucking shit place to be and not how to look at anything. Brilliant post Bayern and I completely agree. This thread is a prime example of how society as a whole has lost the ability to have a reasoned debate to come to a consensus. Nowadays there is no middle ground, you’re either right or wrong and for the most part both sides stoically refuse to budge and even acknowledge merit in an alternate point of view. We’ve seen this with COVID, Brexit, the US election. The woke nonsense where people so politically correct and enlightened demonise anyone with an alternate opinion and demand they be ‘cancelled’ whilst ironically assaulting a cornerstone of democracy and enlightenment, freedom of speech. It’s a sorry state of affairs because like you have said, in the discussions on this thread there’s merits to both arguments but more often than not the battle lines get drawn up and the bullets start being fired instead of people listening to each other.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 14, 2021 7:31:36 GMT
Sadly they bought and recycled this kind of shit from Michael Yeadon in his October Blog post: The coronavirus pandemic is “effectively over” in the United Kingdom and “there is absolutely no need for vaccines."I suppose I'm not sure if I'd shout it from the roof tops if I got scammed by a con man on the internet. Again. I’ve been in the middle of the two factions on this. I think both sides have made good arguments tbh. And I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. It definitely hasn’t been as bad as the models and all that shit predicted it would be. But it’s definitely been bad. I do struggle to square a lot of what has gone on though when the average of those that are dying from it is at or above the average age of death in the country. And I honestly don’t think there’s that good of an argument when you look at it like that to justify what’s happening. And that’s not to say these people aren’t important. They totally are. And more efforts needed to be done to protect them from the get go. But from the off I would have done things differently from the govt. And that’s how I judge things. What would I do? This is a kind of timeline/recollection of where I’ve been and my contrasting thoughts on it. I remember joking about it in January. The Hull game I have never noticed so many blokes washing their hands. Grim bastards from before. In March I would have shut the country at least a week sooner and I think that would have made a big difference. And I would have done it hard to try and eliminate it. No flights in or out at that point bar for repatriation. But still not great and still too late but I’m being honest. I honestly think they went for herd immunity without a vaccine which is daft. I think they opened up the north too soon hence why it never really went from Manchester in the summer. Schools should not have opened in September as they did. Clearly was always going to be a fuck up with no social distancing in place. The lockdown in November was a farce. Christmas should have been banned from the get go. And I’m not sure this lockdown is needed either despite what’s going on. Since September we needed to ration school essentially, find a way of actually perfecting care homes and get track and trace working. They are the 3 biggest fuck ups imo and all avoidable and all I can say aren’t hindsight. I think the mass testing is bollocks mind. See www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851 A massive waste of money that is very debatable as to whether it’s actually helping anything. The emergence of the NHS as a big a problem as anything as a vector for this thing is deeply concerning too. The infections that are occurring in hospitals should be national news with people that get paid lots of money being forced to find ways of sorting it. Instead we seem to have a head in the sand mentality that doesn’t want to talk about anything that is diverging from the norm. Which is such a bad and dangerous mentality to have. A third of deaths from care homes too. Why aren’t people talking about that? The NHS and care homes infections are something we should be able to control and we are failing. So far from seeing both sides on this thread and thinking that there’s some great and some utter tripe on both sides the biggest thing that stuck out for me was Paul posting a link to a doctor in NY in about April. He had been pilloried for suggesting ventilators weren’t the best way to treat this and that actually it was more than a long disease. The bloke was passionate, he clearly wasn’t a crank and he cared about those he was treating and those he had lost. But people weren’t listening because it didn’t conform to the popular belief. From what I can gather his beliefs and what he was witnessing is far closer to what is considered the better treatment now and ventilators are the last resort whereas they were the go to, the saviour to start with. So I guess what I’m saying is I just wish more people would open their eyes to both sides of it because actually past the entrenched modernity of the argument where either side isn’t for turning, there is actually good stuff on both sides. And by good stuff, I mean thought provoking, viewpoint altering stuff. But quite a lot of people from either side don’t want to hear it. It’s the same for the wider world too. And I honestly think it’s a really fucking shit place to be and not how to look at anything. Because if you announce the numbers caught in care homes and the amount caught in hospitals Then people would realise that ordinary transmission is nowhere near as high as they have been told And they then risk more non compliance of restrictions in the country at large I have for ages been wanting the figures publishing for the amount of people who went into hospital covid free then test positive later
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 14, 2021 7:44:29 GMT
So why are all the people who have been posting for months about the overreaction to Covid either stopped posting or are posting increasingly irrelevant crap? To avoid admitting they got it completely wrong? No shame in admitting to being wrong. What is shameful is advocating policies and behaviours that will make a shit situation worse when it's bleeding obvious that that is what would happen. Is saving face really that important? It really is to some on here yes. Rather than just apologise or stop posting at all they just find other angles and nonsense to post thinking they're being clever. Its called arrogance and I'm just glad I don't know these people personally. Got to agree. 1,500+ deaths recorded yesterday and for some it's no doubt still scaremongering, while others were boasting about ignoring the rules and doing what they wanted just a few weeks ago. You do have to wonder about some folk.
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 14, 2021 8:29:32 GMT
So why are all the people who have been posting for months about the overreaction to Covid either stopped posting or are posting increasingly irrelevant crap? To avoid admitting they got it completely wrong? No shame in admitting to being wrong. What is shameful is advocating policies and behaviours that will make a shit situation worse when it's bleeding obvious that that is what would happen. Is saving face really that important? Perhaps they're all at work and not furloughed or working from home and therefore unable to post as often as some😁
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