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Post by EccyStokie on Jan 12, 2021 22:25:54 GMT
You've got an entourage of people travelling around the country with every game. For every prem game you've got about a dozen pundits. Those crowds at Marine could be super spreading. Shut it down for a month at least. You would have to think it is less dangerous than kitchen fitters, painters and Sky fitters etc entering multiple homes on a daily basis, or millions of people going to work in offices and factories everyday. They are just another group of workers, the difference is they are plying their trade outside. The Marine crowds were a one off and we heard the same super spreader comments when the people went to beaches or took to the streets for BLM protests, the super spreading outdoors simply never happened. People being together indoors is the problem, always has been and always will be. Shhh we don’t talk about the issue of half the country out at work. Far more important to argue over 7 mile bike rides and coffees in the park.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jan 12, 2021 22:28:34 GMT
Until it has been proven that people who have had the vaccine cannot carry and transmit the virus then I don't see how this can be an option. We heard similar things 6 months ago regarding people who had the virus and recovered, that didn't' happen either.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 12, 2021 22:28:42 GMT
I'm confused......Grimsby have been fined because players did not follow social distancing at their training ground, manager Holloway admitted playing darts with his players at their training ground!!! So how is this a problem, when players are not going to be able to follow social distancing during a game, and presumably during a training session? I can only presume the problem is the darts will have been indoors. Its indoors where transmission occurs most/easiest. yet there is no chance of transmission when the same 11 people jump on each other outdoors after scoring a goal! surely if they are safe enough to have a nice big hug outdoors.. they can manage a game of darts indoors, unless they are hugging after a 180 of course.....that's not on!
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 12, 2021 22:29:02 GMT
I thought the transmission was 2 though? Yes but Boris cancelled a weeks worth of transmission for Christmas. No the kids, the super spreaders and the reason for the rise in infections, broke up 4 weeks ago yet cases are still rising. Or is the latency period longer now?
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Post by Davef on Jan 12, 2021 22:29:08 GMT
ITV News reporting that Covid positive patients are being transferred to Care Homes. Again. Over 800 care home deaths in the first week of January.
Nice to see that protective ring being thrown around them once more isn't it?
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 12, 2021 22:31:18 GMT
Yes but Boris cancelled a weeks worth of transmission for Christmas. No the kids, the super spreaders and the reason for the rise in infections, broke up 4 weeks ago yet cases are still rising. Or is the latency period longer now? Kids do tend to get involved in Xmas too
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 12, 2021 22:35:45 GMT
No the kids, the super spreaders and the reason for the rise in infections, broke up 4 weeks ago yet cases are still rising. Or is the latency period longer now? Kids do tend to get involved in Xmas too Yes being at home not with the other 30 super spreaders
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 12, 2021 22:37:11 GMT
ITV News reporting that Covid positive patients are being transferred to Care Homes. Again. Over 800 care home deaths in the first week of January. Nice to see that protective ring being thrown around them again isn't it? Its the first time I've watched the news for a few months and by god its like a bad b movie.
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Post by lancashirelad on Jan 12, 2021 22:40:13 GMT
On the local news good old Steve Rotheram (Liverpool leader) blaming the others for locals not having enough vaccinated whilst when in national limelight all was ok, typical scouser. Now Angela Eagle joins the scouse moan brigade.
Having worked in that area in the early 80s and during the 90s it is always other fault.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jan 12, 2021 22:43:26 GMT
You would have to think it is less dangerous than kitchen fitters, painters and Sky fitters etc entering multiple homes on a daily basis, or millions of people going to work in offices and factories everyday. They are just another group of workers, the difference is they are plying their trade outside. The Marine crowds were a one off and we heard the same super spreader comments when the people went to beaches or took to the streets for BLM protests, the super spreading outdoors simply never happened. People being together indoors is the problem, always has been and always will be. Shhh we don’t talk about the issue of half the country out at work. Far more important to argue over 7 mile bike rides and coffees in the park. . It's mad isn't it! Bike rides and walks in the park are deadly but people working in open plan offices with a 3 foot high piece of plastic between them is fine. Don't even get me started on the air conditioning/heating units in most offices that ensure you all breath the same air hour after hour. Factories appear to be a little better but at this time of year proper ventilation is difficult. I have always thought the government has had a tightrope to walk it's difficult to juggle the economy and health through a pandemic but during this supposed lockdown the nations health has been subcontracted out to employers and that is purely a lottery for the employed.
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Post by thebet365 on Jan 12, 2021 22:58:45 GMT
I can only presume the problem is the darts will have been indoors. Its indoors where transmission occurs most/easiest. yet there is no chance of transmission when the same 11 people jump on each other outdoors after scoring a goal! surely if they are safe enough to have a nice big hug outdoors.. they can manage a game of darts indoors, unless they are hugging after a 180 of course.....that's not on! It's not about close contact, it's all about the indoor setting. An infected person breathes small particles of the virus out, if they're outside those particles evaporate into the air quite easily. Indoors the particles are trapped and the longer the infected person is there the bigger the build up of particles in the room.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 12, 2021 23:01:26 GMT
Kids do tend to get involved in Xmas too Yes being at home not with the other 30 super spreaders that is if they are at home
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jan 12, 2021 23:17:49 GMT
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Post by adri2008 on Jan 12, 2021 23:29:00 GMT
I'm confused......Grimsby have been fined because players did not follow social distancing at their training ground, manager Holloway admitted playing darts with his players at their training ground!!! So how is this a problem, when players are not going to be able to follow social distancing during a game, and presumably during a training session? I'm absolutely gobsmacked how football is allowed to continue at the moment. Those pictures of the crowd scenes at Marine are beyond belief in the current circumstances. No doubt money is the top reason for it still going on but by allowing football (and other sport) to continue you are keeping a sizeable chunk of the population entertained in their own homes (and not out spreading the virus). There's obvious mental health benefits too by allowing a tiny degree of normality.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 12, 2021 23:30:32 GMT
ITV News reporting that Covid positive patients are being transferred to Care Homes. Again. Over 800 care home deaths in the first week of January. Nice to see that protective ring being thrown around them once more isn't it? Difficult one though a consultant at my local trust was on the radio today saying he had 320 patients and was going to need 600 beds by the 20th January But 100 of those 300 didn’t need to be in hospital now but they couldn’t send them home to the care homes which does seem strange if they have tested negative. Also a story tuning in wales they can’t vaccinate care homes if they have a positive test in the home for 28 days which seems daft .
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 13, 2021 1:06:17 GMT
What do you suppose is the answer then? Kids can't be kept off school forever and if they are the super spreaders everyone says they are then you would have thought a vaccine would help. But they can't have it Vaccinating teachers is a valid point but doesn't stop the kids spreading amongst eachother Vaccinating all of the vulnerable won't stop kids spreading it to their immediate family who may not be in any of them categories What happens if once Boris and his mates hit their vaccine target and they open the schools, cases go up again? It never ends does it Also the vaccine doesn't stop you catching or transmitting it. But we've all got to have it... You have a source showing vaccinated people spread it just as well as the unvaccinated?
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 13, 2021 6:43:50 GMT
ITV News reporting that Covid positive patients are being transferred to Care Homes. Again. Over 800 care home deaths in the first week of January. Nice to see that protective ring being thrown around them once more isn't it? Difficult one though a consultant at my local trust was on the radio today saying he had 320 patients and was going to need 600 beds by the 20th January But 100 of those 300 didn’t need to be in hospital now but they couldn’t send them home to the care homes which does seem strange if they have tested negative. Also a story tuning in wales they can’t vaccinate care homes if they have a positive test in the home for 28 days which seems daft . It’s been happening for years Old people feeding care home profits there health deteriorates the profit margins fall They end up in hospital the care homes then refuse to take them back Hospitals are then left with the beds occupied by a patient who is not sick enough to warrant a hospital bed but has to sit there until the county council can find a alternative placing The solution Nationalise elderly care A true cradle to grave service
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Post by MilanStokie on Jan 13, 2021 8:15:34 GMT
Also the vaccine doesn't stop you catching or transmitting it. But we've all got to have it... You have a source showing vaccinated people spread it just as well as the unvaccinated? Yes, in his head.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 13, 2021 8:15:34 GMT
Also the vaccine doesn't stop you catching or transmitting it. But we've all got to have it... You have a source showing vaccinated people spread it just as well as the unvaccinated? I didn't say just as well, I said it doesn't stop you catching or transmitting. Its on both the government and the NHS website saying just that.
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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 13, 2021 8:18:04 GMT
Yes being at home not with the other 30 super spreaders that is if they are at home Well even If they aren't (which with it being Christmas and the weather being shit is very unlikely) they aren't with 30 others.
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Post by stokeuk474 on Jan 13, 2021 8:47:54 GMT
Is it just me, or do the case rates not seem to be as high as we thought they would be outside of London and the South East? When the new variant was increasing numbers to over 1k per 100k in those areas, I expected the rest of the country to follow suit within a couple of weeks, but it doesn't seem to have happened. Just looking at Stoke on Trent, Manchester, and places like Cheshire, and they all seem to be around 350-450 per 100k. Strange. Yet, the majority of places in London and the South East are STILL above 1k per 100k. Edit: The exception to this seems to be the Liverpool area, where it's gone through the roof again
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Post by musik on Jan 13, 2021 8:52:31 GMT
Press Conference w Tegnell. Question hour. Criticism from CNN. Being criticised from CNN is probably a good thing mate. Tegnell should take it as a compliment. He probably is (taking it as a compliment).
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Post by Davef on Jan 13, 2021 8:56:35 GMT
The fat woman in the mask is right. This young girl not wearing a mask is a risk to her health. Nothing else is.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jan 13, 2021 8:59:50 GMT
Yes but Boris cancelled a weeks worth of transmission for Christmas. No the kids, the super spreaders and the reason for the rise in infections, broke up 4 weeks ago yet cases are still rising. Or is the latency period longer now? Cases have started to fall. That's the point.
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Post by superjw on Jan 13, 2021 9:02:20 GMT
I hope it's not but wouldn't surprise me. I remember seeing something on the news months ago about people in the far East having a similar thing on their phone (can't remember the country) basically it was a hybrid of track and trace and health passport all in one and they literally had to scan themselves in everywhere, including travel. If they went somewhere they shouldn't the authorities would be on their case. I do have a problem with it being rolled out like this though whilst vaccines are no where near being done. This might be a bit of a generalistic view but when most of the population have sacrificed so much (everything in some cases) to protect the vulnerable, why should certain people get additional freedoms months before the rest of us? Why should a group of over 50s be going on their holidays when everyone under 40/50 might not be able to? If this is the future, it shouldn't be rolled out until the whole population is on a level field - i.e vaccinated or at least given the option.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 13, 2021 9:05:40 GMT
I hope it's not but wouldn't surprise me. I remember seeing something on the news months ago about people in the far East having a similar thing on their phone (can't remember the country) basically it was a hybrid of track and trace and health passport all in one and they literally had to scan themselves in everywhere, including travel. If they went somewhere they shouldn't the authorities would be on their case. I do have a problem with it being rolled out like this though whilst vaccines are no where near being done. This might be a bit of a generalistic view but when most of the population have sacrificed so much (everything in some cases) to protect the vulnerable, why should certain people get additional freedoms months before the rest of us? Why should a group of over 50s be going on their holidays when everyone under 40/50 might not be able to? If this is the future, it shouldn't be rolled out until the whole population is on a level field - i.e vaccinated or at least given the option. If the vaccine doesn’t prevent the virus from being transmitted/carried why would it be necessary to have an ID that shows you’ve been vaccinated?
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Post by Davef on Jan 13, 2021 9:08:47 GMT
I hope it's not but wouldn't surprise me. I remember seeing something on the news months ago about people in the far East having a similar thing on their phone (can't remember the country) basically it was a hybrid of track and trace and health passport all in one and they literally had to scan themselves in everywhere, including travel. If they went somewhere they shouldn't the authorities would be on their case. I do have a problem with it being rolled out like this though whilst vaccines are no where near being done. This might be a bit of a generalistic view but when most of the population have sacrificed so much (everything in some cases) to protect the vulnerable, why should certain people get additional freedoms months before the rest of us? Why should a group of over 50s be going on their holidays when everyone under 40/50 might not be able to? If this is the future, it shouldn't be rolled out until the whole population is on a level field - i.e vaccinated or at least given the option. Straight from the Vaccine Minister's mouth. And we all know Government ministers never lie.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2021 9:15:57 GMT
This is more great news re a treatment. However, I don’t like the way it’s been reported like it’s some miracle British thing. The Cubans have been using Interferon Beta from the get go. www.bbc.com/news/health-55639096
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 13, 2021 9:23:07 GMT
The fat woman in the mask is right. This young girl not wearing a mask is a risk to her health. Nothing else is. If she’d of spoken to me like that in public I’d of chined the. Ignorant bint
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Post by Gods on Jan 13, 2021 9:23:22 GMT
Is it just me, or do the case rates not seem to be as high as we thought they would be outside of London and the South East? When the new variant was increasing numbers to over 1k per 100k in those areas, I expected the rest of the country to follow suit within a couple of weeks, but it doesn't seem to have happened. Just looking at Stoke on Trent, Manchester, and places like Cheshire, and they all seem to be around 350-450 per 100k. Strange. Yet, the majority of places in London and the South East are STILL above 1k per 100k. Edit: The exception to this seems to be the Liverpool area, where it's gone through the roof again Yes I noticed that. It's ripping here in Surrey, 1000+ per 100k, I think the Government blinked when the new variant first started to get here from London and Kent and so T4 came way too late and once again the moment was gone. I think swift, early and firm action are the watchwords, that's what we have learned but its mostly been too late.
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