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Post by musik on Mar 19, 2020 20:58:51 GMT
One question only: Does anybody know how the Immunity approach are supposed to work? Over here in Sweden they say it would be tremendous if 50 (some say 60) % of the population caught the Corona virus, because THEY would be immune against the Corona virus when it comes back the next time - next autumn/winter, or another year. It doesn't make sense. What about the other 40-50 % then? Will they have like Hell next time? They won't be immune, right? Wouldn't it be better if ALL were immune, if so. If 50-60% of the population have immunity to the virus, then it becomes very difficult for the virus to spread. In effect, the younger, fitter part of the community protect those most at risk. Of course people who aren't immune from it will get into difficulties but hopefully the health system at that time, won't be overrun because there are far less cases and the people that need treatment will be able to receive it quickly and efficiently. I think, that's the theory ... Thanks! Hmm. Aha. Ok. So the next time around it will be spread "only" among the most vulnerable, still alive.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 19, 2020 20:59:14 GMT
Read this from the online Independent www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-muslim-mosque-closure-prayer-nhs-a9411936.htmlThis article states " Britain’s Muslims are amongst the hardest hit by the Covid-19 pandemic – senior NHS officials have told me that up to a quarter of British people who have died from the disease caused by the virus have been elderly Muslims.To those inside Muslim communities like me, this is shocking but not surprising. Muslims are particularly vulnerable to the virus and it needs to be recognised more broadly before it is too late. If Muslims feel let down, excluded or forgotten by the government response, there will be repercussions that last longer than the outbreak. " The " up to a quarter " statement is , of course , meaningless as it could mean any fraction considerably less than a quarter. The last sentence of the quote is quite clearly threatening and I consider it to be inappropriate. "Repercussions" what the hell does that mean ?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Mar 19, 2020 21:01:47 GMT
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Post by richie22 on Mar 19, 2020 21:02:46 GMT
Fucking humanity. I despair at the selfishness, ignorance and callousness of these people. Why do you think they're still open? various reasons , they still have people wanting a pint and a game of pool....
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Post by musik on Mar 19, 2020 21:03:15 GMT
One question only: Does anybody know how the Immunity approach are supposed to work? Over here in Sweden they say it would be tremendous if 50 (some say 60) % of the population caught the Corona virus, because THEY would be immune against the Corona virus when it comes back the next time - next autumn/winter, or another year. It doesn't make sense. What about the other 40-50 % then? Will they have like Hell next time? They won't be immune, right? Wouldn't it be better if ALL were immune, if so. Of 60 percent are immune then they wont be spreading it so the level of transmission is drastically reduced. Thanks! I understand that now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 19, 2020 21:05:30 GMT
Why do you think they're still open? various reasons , they still have people wanting a pint and a game of pool.... Genius isn't it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 19, 2020 21:06:57 GMT
I’m in Ramsgate at the mo, 100yards from where I’m sat there’s two boozers, both suitably packed. The lads I work with that have been in London all week say the same a lot of there bars seem full around the city. People need to start staying in and for many it ain’t happening. leaving Crewe this afternoon I saw a mob of at least 20 kids loitering by Tesco’s, there seems to be a trend that ‘ kids can’t get it’ that they’re bomb proof. . So no precautions are taken !!!! I wonder if people knew that this virus isn't just something to worry about if you are 'old' then would their habits change? 64% of the people in Italy in intensive care are aged 19 - 70 with only 36% aged over 70.
inews.co.uk/news/health/more-young-people-are-being-admitted-to-hospital-in-italy-with-coronavirus-as-the-outbreak-continues-2451319
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 21:07:02 GMT
Fucking humanity. I despair at the selfishness, ignorance and callousness of these people. Why do you think they're still open? Fuck knows. Hopefully they won't be for much longer.
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Post by musik on Mar 19, 2020 21:08:12 GMT
One question only: Does anybody know how the Immunity approach are supposed to work? Over here in Sweden they say it would be tremendous if 50 (some say 60) % of the population caught the Corona virus, because THEY would be immune against the Corona virus when it comes back the next time - next autumn/winter, or another year. It doesn't make sense. What about the other 40-50 % then? Will they have like Hell next time? They won't be immune, right? Wouldn't it be better if ALL were immune, if so. This is the 'herd immunity' theory, Musik. A better figure is 80%. The way it would work is that if 80% of the population were immune to it then the virus would die out because there wouldn't be sufficient hosts for it to replicate and survive. OS. Thank you, OldStokie! Hypothetically, the Corona virus would die out if the 20% still stayed away, I guess. There is one problem with this theory. Corona can transform further to something else, reports say it already did from China to Europe. Then what? Hopefully it won't happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 21:10:11 GMT
I’m in Ramsgate at the mo, 100yards from where I’m sat there’s two boozers, both suitably packed. The lads I work with that have been in London all week say the same a lot of there bars seem full around the city. People need to start staying in and for many it ain’t happening. leaving Crewe this afternoon I saw a mob of at least 20 kids loitering by Tesco’s, there seems to be a trend that ‘ kids can’t get it’ that they’re bomb proof. . So no precautions are taken !!!! I wonder if people knew that this virus isn't just something to worry about if you are 'old' then would their habits change? I would think very highly unlikely. "Live for today".
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Post by prettything on Mar 19, 2020 21:10:34 GMT
Why do you think they're still open? Fuck knows. Hopefully they won't be for much longer. To pay their bloody staff, overheads and not go bankrupt!
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Post by neckender78 on Mar 19, 2020 21:11:01 GMT
I work in the drinks industry. Unfortunately, I received the news today that my salary was being cut by half. However, my company have made over 200 redundancies, so I feel fortunate that I still have a job. I will still be able to eat and pay my mortgage, whilst my companies income has been reduced from over 350 million a year to, (at present) almost zero. I understand the decision made. I would love to get the boards opinion on whether tanking the economy, is worth the sacrifice for what we face? Whilst the death toll, worldwide is unacceptable, I can’t quite shake the feeling that this could have been handled differently, with the current death rate, worldwide, relatively low compared to other diseases. Again, I may be wrong, only time will tell. But we are currently experiencing our economy take a war time footing, with our national debt achieving unprecedented levels. Would it have been better to isolate the vulnerable from day one, and let the virus take its course over time? Will there be more deaths due to poverty which may out way the mortality’s from this horrible virus? I’m not sure where I stand , something doesn’t feel right at all about this situation. I guess the proof is on the pudding, and judgement will be made about the measures taken, after this is all over. Tough one isn't it. My guess is there will be a valid debate on this topic when the dust settles on this lot. I think they said seasonal flu kill 8000 per year, the Chief Medical Officer said we are gunning for 20,000 here so about 2.5 times the regular annual flu. Of course you could argue it would be an awful lot more had we not taken these extraordinary measures. According to Public Health England the average number of deaths in England of winter flu for the last 5 seasons 2014/15 to 2018/19 was 17000 deaths annually. Ranging from 1692 in 2018/19 to 28330 deaths in 2014/15. I back our remarkable scientists and medical experts and really hope the estimated 20k figure of fatalities is accurate as it sounded much worse expectancy a few days ago. But like some others I think something doesn't sit right. Going on the numbers it just doesnt reflect the need to financially strangling the nation with the measures that have and are being put into place and the panic it brings. It will take years to recover from this tens of thousands of businesses will go under and hundreds of thousands of people will lose their jobs in the UK. The whole of the western world is in turmoil when this pandemic is finally over.
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Post by musik on Mar 19, 2020 21:11:43 GMT
I’m in Ramsgate at the mo, 100yards from where I’m sat there’s two boozers, both suitably packed. The lads I work with that have been in London all week say the same a lot of there bars seem full around the city. People need to start staying in and for many it ain’t happening. leaving Crewe this afternoon I saw a mob of at least 20 kids loitering by Tesco’s, there seems to be a trend that ‘ kids can’t get it’ that they’re bomb proof. . So no precautions are taken !!!! I wonder if people knew that this virus isn't just something to worry about if you are 'old' then would their habits change? 64% of the people in Italy in intensive care are aged 19 - 70 with only 36% aged over 70.
inews.co.uk/news/health/more-young-people-are-being-admitted-to-hospital-in-italy-with-coronavirus-as-the-outbreak-continues-2451319I don't think so. Pubs still open leads people to think it's safe. Many people have problems holding more than one thought in their heads at the same time.
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Post by MilanStokie on Mar 19, 2020 21:12:34 GMT
I’m in Ramsgate at the mo, 100yards from where I’m sat there’s two boozers, both suitably packed. The lads I work with that have been in London all week say the same a lot of there bars seem full around the city. People need to start staying in and for many it ain’t happening. leaving Crewe this afternoon I saw a mob of at least 20 kids loitering by Tesco’s, there seems to be a trend that ‘ kids can’t get it’ that they’re bomb proof. . So no precautions are taken !!!! I wonder if people knew that this virus isn't just something to worry about if you are 'old' then would their habits change? 64% of the people in Italy in intensive care are aged 19 - 70 with only 36% aged over 70.
inews.co.uk/news/health/more-young-people-are-being-admitted-to-hospital-in-italy-with-coronavirus-as-the-outbreak-continues-2451319I think people around UK are slowly waking up to this but Facebook is absolutely rife with people still saying they had a sniffle at Christmas so therefore they've "had it". Trying to pretend it's not happening or not as serious as suggested because 80,000 have recovered. I think it's time people stopped whining about scaremongering and spreading fear. We should be absolutely shit scared of this. It is a massive game changer, the world is going to a very unfamiliar place come summertime.
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Post by richie22 on Mar 19, 2020 21:13:08 GMT
various reasons , they still have people wanting a pint and a game of pool.... Genius isn't it. my lady’s sister in law caused me and her a decent row this morning. I’ll be honest, I don’t fucking like her , but I blew a stack when I found out that she was working from home and invited the good lady out for afternoon tea somewhere in Chester... my lady is nhs so had the brains to fuck her off, I wasn’t happy. Hearing her say I’ll pop down in the week sent me doo-lally!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 21:13:16 GMT
Tough one isn't it. My guess is there will be a valid debate on this topic when the dust settles on this lot. I think they said seasonal flu kill 8000 per year, the Chief Medical Officer said we are gunning for 20,000 here so about 2.5 times the regular annual flu. The whole of the western world is in turmoil when this pandemic is finally over. The penny just dropped has it?
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Post by march4 on Mar 19, 2020 21:16:01 GMT
To survive . Many still have to pay their leases, their staff at the end of the month, and their suppliers. I think the best thing is that they become take aways/off licenses. Their doors need to be shut for the duration after Friday trading. Families out celebrating Mother’s Day are going to spread this virus through the generations. It is up to the government to postpone all business taxes and provide additional assistance so the business can stay viable.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Mar 19, 2020 21:17:06 GMT
I just don't understand how there are all these new cases when Northern Italy has been in complete lock down for nearly two weeks now. I'd be really interested to hear what the theory is for it. Please let the 14 day period be accurate. Wish I could hit the nail on the head mate but for now I can only guess there just aren't enough people follow the rules. I read on a newsfeed that Lombardy had a particularly high proportion of 18-34 year olds that lived with their parents and this could have been factor on while the region was harder hit. Is that an issue being discussed in Italy?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 19, 2020 21:20:44 GMT
To survive . Many still have to pay their leases, their staff at the end of the month, and their suppliers. I think the best thing is that they become take aways/off licenses. Their doors need to be shut for the duration after Friday trading. Families out celebrating Mother’s Day are going to spread this virus through the generations. It is up to the government to postpone all business taxes and provide additional assistance so the business can stay viable. I can't believe that the government are just going to simply let Mother's Day happen mate, the ramifications could be dreadful.
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Post by prettything on Mar 19, 2020 21:21:23 GMT
To survive . Many still have to pay their leases, their staff at the end of the month, and their suppliers. I think the best thing is that they become take aways/off licenses. Their doors need to be shut for the duration after Friday trading. Families out celebrating Mother’s Day are going to spread this virus through the generations. It is up to the government to postpone all business taxes and provide additional assistance so the business can stay viable. That’s what they are doing, mate. My company have announced they will deliver to peoples homes. However, again there is a lack of information regarding off licensing laws, for the bars wanting to do this. Many outlets are currently fighting their landlords about a rent freeze. My advise has been to cancel all direct debits, including their land lords, and discuss it when things get better.
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Post by madnellie on Mar 19, 2020 21:22:08 GMT
We're pretty much locked down here. The schools went out on Friday, then many churches moved to online services on Sunday. By Monday my doctor's surgery had moved to emergencies only and my work had invoked our full pandemic plan. It was suggested by the authorities that we all limit social contact, and no gatherings over 50 people. Tuesday morning pubs and restaurants were 'strongly advised' to move to take out/delivery/drive-thru only. Lots of places had already started doing this on the Monday as they saw it coming, but by Tuesday it was official.
They said on the news earlier that they did spot checks of bars and restaurants in Toronto on the evening of the 17th (St Patrick's Day) and only 4 per cent of them were not complying with the advice, so it's really strange to read that the opposite is happening over there.
We've had the same run on toilet paper over here but it seems to be calming down now. All grocery stores and pharmacies are open, as are the beer, liquor and cannabis stores, corner shops, petrol stations, fast food, coffee shops, bars, restaurants (all take out), launderettes and some other random shops. They are monitoring the number of people in stores at the same time, cleaning everything frantically, having people queue standing apart from each other, and asking that people pay by tapping their card or phone where possible instead of cash.
Many people are working from home and lots of the larger companies are paying at the least the first two weeks wages of staff if they have to be laid off or have to self quarantine. The government has announced a load of benefits and support for basically everyone affected by it as well as help for small and medium-sized businesses and waived the waiting periods. Also all eviction proceedings have been halted and no enforcement action will be taken at this point if people can't pay their rent. Six month payment holidays on mortgages available to everyone as well as six month breaks on all student loan payments. I know that has provided reassurance to people that at least they won't starve or lose the roof over their heads.
They're showing downtown Toronto on the news right now and it's dead. So many people are staying home, it's brilliant. I'm in a smaller city but it's the same here. Very quiet indeed. I live near a park so I've been popping out for a walk (we're not limited at all in our movements, other than no large gatherings, but they suggest not to gather at all and to practice social distancing) and I've seen loads more people walking than usual. Everyone keeps their distance but waves and smiles, it's quite pleasant.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 21:24:11 GMT
I'm far from an expert when it comes to economics and other such subjects, but for me, we should just shut the whole place down.
And the government should suspend everything for 2 or 3 months - mortgages/rent, gas/electric, council tax, water etc.
Take away everyones bills, support businesses, enforce shutdown and once we start to come out the other end, we can start going back to normality.
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Post by swampmongrel on Mar 19, 2020 21:28:57 GMT
Just volunteered myself to go with the aforementioned PCR machines if the government require it. Might be a testing ITK soon 😂 Send me the info by PM mate. I promise I’ll keep schtum.
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Post by GoBoks on Mar 19, 2020 21:30:04 GMT
Wow! 250,000 Crikey, that’s 2 days worth of abortions. Just saying it seems ludicrous to destroy people’s livelihoods to try protect ultimately a small number of people who have by and large lived their lives while simply brushing aside the fact that 125,000 people with their whole lives before them are afforded no protection at all. One last thought, is this best case scenario by the same people who can’t work out if it’s 10,000 or 500,000 people who are expected to die? And you dont care who you pass it on to and the consequences of your actions. Where do I say I am not compliant? I am probably more compliant during normal times than most on here right now. My point is : Everyone is (rightly) horrified that there may be 1-2 Million deaths because of this and are going to extreme measures (and cost) to try reduce the number, while every single day 125,000 babies are killed (16 days equals 2 Million) and nobody even raises an eyebrow when it could be immediately reduced at relatively little cost. This is not a crusade for abortion, merely pointing out that no matter what the death toll is due to CoVid-19, it is insignificant compared to other issues in society.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 21:30:05 GMT
I'm far from an expert when it comes to economics and other such subjects, but for me, we should just shut the whole place down. And the government should suspend everything for 2 or 3 months - mortgages/rent, gas/electric, council tax, water etc. Take away everyones bills, support businesses, enforce shutdown and once we start to come out the other end, we can start going back to normality. God I hope so, otherwise the only solution for me sooner or later is some Rope...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 21:30:38 GMT
I'm far from an expert when it comes to economics and other such subjects, but for me, we should just shut the whole place down. And the government should suspend everything for 2 or 3 months - mortgages/rent, gas/electric, council tax, water etc. Take away everyones bills, support businesses, enforce shutdown and once we start to come out the other end, we can start going back to normality. God I hope so, otherwise the only solution for me sooner or later is some Rope... You wont be on your own.
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Post by prettything on Mar 19, 2020 21:31:47 GMT
I'm far from an expert when it comes to economics and other such subjects, but for me, we should just shut the whole place down. And the government should suspend everything for 2 or 3 months - mortgages/rent, gas/electric, council tax, water etc. Take away everyones bills, support businesses, enforce shutdown and once we start to come out the other end, we can start going back to normality. I think this is the perfect time to think about introducing “universal income” into the U.K. Stop all benefits,and give everybody a universal income per month. (£1000 ?) There is a lot of evidence that there would be a net saving against what we spend on benefits for those that need it. Everybody would receive it, including those that work.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 21:34:18 GMT
I’m in Ramsgate at the mo, 100yards from where I’m sat there’s two boozers, both suitably packed. The lads I work with that have been in London all week say the same a lot of there bars seem full around the city. People need to start staying in and for many it ain’t happening. leaving Crewe this afternoon I saw a mob of at least 20 kids loitering by Tesco’s, there seems to be a trend that ‘ kids can’t get it’ that they’re bomb proof. . So no precautions are taken !!!! I wonder if people knew that this virus isn't just something to worry about if you are 'old' then would their habits change? 64% of the people in Italy in intensive care are aged 19 - 70 with only 36% aged over 70.
inews.co.uk/news/health/more-young-people-are-being-admitted-to-hospital-in-italy-with-coronavirus-as-the-outbreak-continues-2451319Italy is a serious concern and a huge pointer to what is coming if we don't learn from it, and quick. With the level of their deaths it's nigh on impossible to track if the virus has changed to affect younger people with no underlying issues.
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Post by henry on Mar 19, 2020 21:36:50 GMT
I'm far from an expert when it comes to economics and other such subjects, but for me, we should just shut the whole place down. And the government should suspend everything for 2 or 3 months - mortgages/rent, gas/electric, council tax, water etc. Take away everyones bills, support businesses, enforce shutdown and once we start to come out the other end, we can start going back to normality. The stock market should have been shut down a week ago.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 21:37:20 GMT
Italy is a serious concern and a huge pointer to what is coming if we don't learn from it, and quick. With the level of their deaths it's nigh on impossible to track if the virus has changed to affect younger people with no underlying issues. What would the importance be, knowing that this virus kills young as well as old?
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