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Post by Gods on Dec 16, 2020 23:22:12 GMT
SToke dropping rapidly. Glad I'm working away in North Hertfordshire and not South Hertfordshire, sat in the bar with my meal with a couple of beers Covid is rising like shit here in Surrey, guess it has crossed over from London where cases are up circa 60% on the same time last week, I think we're going T3 tomorrow. This is baking in a fucking lot of deaths in the South East in Jan/Feb/March. The UK will be comfortably north of 100K deaths by the end of Q1 2021 whatever fun and games happen over Xmas. Hold on to your seat belts.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 16, 2020 23:23:12 GMT
This "back to normal by Easter" is all starting to look a little farfetched. These cunts are going to be restricting us for months yet aren't they. It depends on the speed of the rollout of the Oxford vaccine I would have thought and how effective it is in practice. Read somewhere that there's 12 million or so people over the age of 65 in the UK. That same group of people make up around 90% of Covid-related hospitalisations and deaths. So when the majority of those have been vaccinated, life *should* be able to return to normal almost immediately. Unfortunately the fear that has perpetuated the media all year will still make some people afraid to mingle in the same way for the foreseeable. Yet those same people will happily get in a car and whizz around at daft speeds on the roads. Go figure.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Dec 16, 2020 23:24:10 GMT
No it wasn’t. There were not enough adverts and pop ups Or spelling and grammatical errors. I noticed a job posted on Indeed the other day for a Sentinel reporter and it had a spelling error. I found it amusing anyway😀
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 16, 2020 23:26:12 GMT
This "back to normal by Easter" is all starting to look a little farfetched. These cunts are going to be restricting us for months yet aren't they. It depends on the speed of the rollout of the Oxford vaccine I would have thought and how effective it is in practice. Read somewhere that there's 12 million or so people over the age of 65 in the UK. That same group of people make up around 90% of Covid-related hospitalisations and deaths. So when the majority of those have been vaccinated, life *should* be able to return to normal almost immediately. Unfortunately the fear that has perpetuated the media all year will still make some people afraid to mingle in the same way for the foreseeable. Yet those same people will happily get in a car and whizz around at daft speeds on the roads. Go figure. This mask nonsense looks set to continue for an age too. Have they actually proven that masks work yet or are we still going with the "they've used them for years in China so they must work".
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Post by Gods on Dec 16, 2020 23:27:50 GMT
This "back to normal by Easter" is all starting to look a little farfetched. These cunts are going to be restricting us for months yet aren't they. It depends on the speed of the rollout of the Oxford vaccine I would have thought and how effective it is in practice. Read somewhere that there's 12 million or so people over the age of 65 in the UK. That same group of people make up around 90% of Covid-related hospitalisations and deaths. So when the majority of those have been vaccinated, life *should* be able to return to normal almost immediately. Unfortunately the fear that has perpetuated the media all year will still make some people afraid to mingle in the same way for the foreseeable. Yet those same people will happily get in a car and whizz around at daft speeds on the roads. Go figure. We're getting no stats at all on vaccination numbers. I guess partly because with stats come questions like 'How many people will be vaccinated by end January 2021?'. And the truth is vaccinations are moving at glacial speed. But they are our only route out of jail.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 16, 2020 23:37:22 GMT
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 16, 2020 23:42:07 GMT
It depends on the speed of the rollout of the Oxford vaccine I would have thought and how effective it is in practice. Read somewhere that there's 12 million or so people over the age of 65 in the UK. That same group of people make up around 90% of Covid-related hospitalisations and deaths. So when the majority of those have been vaccinated, life *should* be able to return to normal almost immediately. Unfortunately the fear that has perpetuated the media all year will still make some people afraid to mingle in the same way for the foreseeable. Yet those same people will happily get in a car and whizz around at daft speeds on the roads. Go figure. We're getting no stats at all on vaccination numbers. I guess partly because with stats come questions like 'How many people will be vaccinated by end January 2021?'. And the truth is vaccinations are moving at glacial speed. But they are our only route out of jail. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55332242My Grandad and Nana (both in their mid-80s) are booked in for this weekend, so you'd imagine that by the end of January we'd have a lot of the over 80 population vaccinated. I read that the main challenge with the Pfizer vaccine was the need to store at -70 degrees, and so that's why so much hope is being put on the Oxford vaccine in the case of care homes. Of course, there's also a need to see if the vaccines perform as expected in the real-world relative to how they have done in clinical trials (which is incidentally what I do for a living, so find it fascinating that it's now so mainstream).
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 16, 2020 23:42:34 GMT
This "back to normal by Easter" is all starting to look a little farfetched. These cunts are going to be restricting us for months yet aren't they. It depends on the speed of the rollout of the Oxford vaccine I would have thought and how effective it is in practice. Read somewhere that there's 12 million or so people over the age of 65 in the UK. That same group of people make up around 90% of Covid-related hospitalisations and deaths. So when the majority of those have been vaccinated, life *should* be able to return to normal almost immediately. Unfortunately the fear that has perpetuated the media all year will still make some people afraid to mingle in the same way for the foreseeable. Yet those same people will happily get in a car and whizz around at daft speeds on the roads. Go figure. Problem being (and sadly), there currently (unlike the Pfizer vaccine) isn't any data to demonstrate the efficacy of the Oxford vaccine in the over 65's.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 16, 2020 23:48:25 GMT
It depends on the speed of the rollout of the Oxford vaccine I would have thought and how effective it is in practice. Read somewhere that there's 12 million or so people over the age of 65 in the UK. That same group of people make up around 90% of Covid-related hospitalisations and deaths. So when the majority of those have been vaccinated, life *should* be able to return to normal almost immediately. Unfortunately the fear that has perpetuated the media all year will still make some people afraid to mingle in the same way for the foreseeable. Yet those same people will happily get in a car and whizz around at daft speeds on the roads. Go figure. Problem being (and sadly), there currently isn't any data to demonstrate the efficacy of the Oxford vaccine in the over 65's. Yep, and until that data is available, I'm not sure how it can feasibly be formally approved. It might be that we have to rely on the Pfizer (and other subsequent) vaccines in which case it'll take longer to receive future dose shipments. I think the Oxford vaccine is only about 70% effective as well? Still high, but at that rate you'd start to see a much greater number of people having had the vaccine who still end up contracting Covid. There's a big difference between 70% and 90%, the latter you'd be unlucky to not have protection, the former you'd be half expecting it. In any case, it still looks promising that we will be back to normal by April.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 16, 2020 23:51:52 GMT
He's another useless twat. A reporter not a journalist. Simply repeating lines from official press releases. Soft ball questions and missed open goals. Those daily briefings are a pathetic charade. They must have viewing figures in the tens.
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Post by Gods on Dec 16, 2020 23:54:10 GMT
We're getting no stats at all on vaccination numbers. I guess partly because with stats come questions like 'How many people will be vaccinated by end January 2021?'. And the truth is vaccinations are moving at glacial speed. But they are our only route out of jail. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55332242My Grandad and Nana (both in their mid-80s) are booked in for this weekend, so you'd imagine that by the end of January we'd have a lot of the over 80 population vaccinated. I read that the main challenge with the Pfizer vaccine was the need to store at -70 degrees, and so that's why so much hope is being put on the Oxford vaccine in the case of care homes. Of course, there's also a need to see if the vaccines perform as expected in the real-world relative to how they have done in clinical trials (which is incidentally what I do for a living, so find it fascinating that it's now so mainstream). Thanks for sharing. I guess the 137K referred to will not be truly vaccinated until January when they have had a 2nd jab. I suspect that will be a real challenge here, fall out between the first and 2nd jabs.
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Post by Gods on Dec 16, 2020 23:59:08 GMT
It's spreading like fucking shit here in Surrey, most people are sadly resigned to T3 some time tomorrow
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 17, 2020 0:25:46 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55332242My Grandad and Nana (both in their mid-80s) are booked in for this weekend, so you'd imagine that by the end of January we'd have a lot of the over 80 population vaccinated. I read that the main challenge with the Pfizer vaccine was the need to store at -70 degrees, and so that's why so much hope is being put on the Oxford vaccine in the case of care homes. Of course, there's also a need to see if the vaccines perform as expected in the real-world relative to how they have done in clinical trials (which is incidentally what I do for a living, so find it fascinating that it's now so mainstream). Thanks for sharing. I guess the 137K referred to will not be truly vaccinated until January when they have had a 2nd jab. I suspect that will be a real challenge here, fall out between the first and 2nd jabs. Yep, so it'll be effectively a month from this weekend until they are protected. The government estimates 25 million people are in priority groups, but in reality, I think once the top four groups have been largely vaccinated (those being care home residents / workers , front line workers, over 70s and the clinically extremely vulnerable) then there should be no reason why restrictions cannot be eased in my opinion. That's still ~10 million people. I think we are going to be at loggerheads next year because there will come a point where those restrictions will inevitably have to ease before certain groups have been vaccinated. For example if you are in your late 50s or early 60s, or have parents in that age group, you may still be reluctant to go and see them until they've had the jab. It's not feasible to wait until everyone has been vaccinated before we revert back to the way things were (or the 'new normal'). So I expect the government will start to tailor the rhetoric like they did back in August when Boris said it was safe to go to restaurants and to the pub. The trouble is when you instil so much fear into a population, they lose sight of the fact that people below 60-65 who do not fall in the clinically vulnerable category have a negligible risk of hospitalisation or death from Covid-19.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 17, 2020 0:29:36 GMT
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 17, 2020 0:32:12 GMT
I was also reading up on the Oxford vaccine and found it interesting how the low first dose followed by standard second dose group had a much higher efficacy (90%) compared to the group that was given the higher standard dose followed by a standard second dose (62%).
You'd always naturally expect a higher dose of something to give you a boost in terms of efficacy, so the fact that this is the other way around is bizarre.
If it holds up with additional data though then it's a bonus, as there's obviously going to be more to go around.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 17, 2020 0:36:03 GMT
The obvious argument to that would be that we have lived most of this year under restrictions, without which overall mortality would have been significantly higher. So the fact it's still as high as it has been this millennium in spite of those restrictions is certainly alarming.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 17, 2020 2:01:37 GMT
The obvious argument to that would be that we have lived most of this year under restrictions, without which overall mortality would have been significantly higher. So the fact it's still as high as it has been this millennium in spite of those restrictions is certainly alarming. No, everything's open save for hospitality, which according to the government's own figures is having little effect.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 17, 2020 2:07:37 GMT
I was also reading up on the Oxford vaccine and found it interesting how the low first dose followed by standard second dose group had a much higher efficacy (90%) compared to the group that was given the higher standard dose followed by a standard second dose (62%). You'd always naturally expect a higher dose of something to give you a boost in terms of efficacy, so the fact that this is the other way around is bizarre. If it holds up with additional data though then it's a bonus, as there's obviously going to be more to go around. Because everybody in that group was under 55. The 62% value is across ALL age ranges. Without specific data reflecting the efficacy in the over 65's (the most vulnerable), the figures to date don't provide us with a whole lot to go on.
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Post by werrington on Dec 17, 2020 7:19:59 GMT
ITV news this morning stating ambulances are queuing up with COVID patients.....no they fucking aren’t they are queuing up with patients just like they do every year
The British media both written and TV/radio has been utterly appalling in how they’ve handled this whole thing
I feel sad for the people who are buying into it and there’s plenty on this thread
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Post by Timmypotter on Dec 17, 2020 7:39:03 GMT
ITV news this morning stating ambulances are queuing up with COVID patients.....no they fucking aren’t they are queuing up with patients just like they do every year The British media both written and TV/radio has been utterly appalling in how they’ve handled this whole thing I feel sad for the people who are buying into it and there’s plenty on this thread Yeah, but it's only just as bad as previous years because of the magic incantation I've been doing every morning. Imagine how much worse it'd be if I stopped.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 17, 2020 7:48:40 GMT
ITV news this morning stating ambulances are queuing up with COVID patients.....no they fucking aren’t they are queuing up with patients just like they do every year The British media both written and TV/radio has been utterly appalling in how they’ve handled this whole thing I feel sad for the people who are buying into it and there’s plenty on this thread It’s shocking news hospitals struggling in winter Now I’m not sure but I think I may of heard that last year pre covid Though I could be wrong What they should be leading on is the ring master and his bunch of clowns in wales who conveniently managed to not count 11 thousand test results due to routine computer maintenance Which if published at the time would of doubled there weekly figure
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Post by Northy on Dec 17, 2020 8:32:25 GMT
The obvious argument to that would be that we have lived most of this year under restrictions, without which overall mortality would have been significantly higher. So the fact it's still as high as it has been this millennium in spite of those restrictions is certainly alarming. No, everything's open save for hospitality, which according to the government's own figures is having little effect. It's not though is it, or wasn't during 2 months of lockdown in the spring, and again 1 month in the autumn, remember all our hairstyles during lockdown 1 and the women growing beards and moustaches and big eyebrows Most Sporting venues aren't open, most theatres and cinemas aren't/weren't, holidays, caravan parks etc. bars restaurants in tier 3 where nearly 10 million are affected aren't open, that's a lot of mixing that's not taking place, along with people just not going anywhere and having food delivered at home. There would have been a lot more deaths if there weren't restrictions or people self isolating, and how many people actually did the NHS app, or track and trace when going into pubs when they were open ?
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Post by adri2008 on Dec 17, 2020 8:33:10 GMT
There will be bugger all changes in the tiers despite many regions now having much lower rates than previously. Liverpool was allowed a drop as it was the 'poster boy' for the magical lateral testing which fixes all ills
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Post by Northy on Dec 17, 2020 8:40:44 GMT
There will be bugger all changes in the tiers despite many regions now having much lower rates than previously. Liverpool was allowed a drop as it was the 'poster boy' for the magical lateral testing which fixes all ills Liverpool's rates dropped from over 700 to under 300, unfortunately I don't think Manchester has got that low yet. My sister was telling me that people she knows from Kidsgrove area where rates are higher, are going to Alsager and Sandbach etc. for a meal and to the pub and not getting challenged, it's idiots like this that will keep feeding the powers that be the numbers to keep us restricted
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Post by Davef on Dec 17, 2020 8:59:49 GMT
It's spreading like fucking shit here in Surrey, most people are sadly resigned to T3 some time tomorrow We're nearly a year in and Peston still thinks a positive test means you're infectious.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 17, 2020 9:04:59 GMT
There will be bugger all changes in the tiers despite many regions now having much lower rates than previously. Liverpool was allowed a drop as it was the 'poster boy' for the magical lateral testing which fixes all ills Liverpool's rates dropped from over 700 to under 300, unfortunately I don't think Manchester has got that low yet. My sister was telling me that people she knows from Kidsgrove area where rates are higher, are going to Alsager and Sandbach etc. for a meal and to the pub and not getting challenged, it's idiots like this that will keep feeding the powers that be the numbers to keep us restricted I did exactly this the other weekend and it was a joyous return to something semi-normal. People were sat miles apart and were having a laugh with their friends and family, I think I’d prefer that and to keep a pub in business when the industry and the poor sods who are working in it are facing absolute destruction rather than pointing fingers at everyone and everything 10 months into a pandemic that it’s widely known now will barely have an effect on the vast majority of anyone under 65, you know, like literally every other respiratory virus there is knocking about currently.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 17, 2020 9:05:25 GMT
It's spreading like fucking shit here in Surrey, most people are sadly resigned to T3 some time tomorrow We're nearly a year in and Peston still thinks a positive test means you're infectious. Peston and think in the same sentence now that’s something you don’t see everyday
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Post by starkiller on Dec 17, 2020 9:08:31 GMT
It's spreading like fucking shit here in Surrey, most people are sadly resigned to T3 some time tomorrow We're nearly a year in and Peston still thinks a positive test means you're infectious. His idea of journalism is to take a press release and summarise it in his own words. This is what passes as journalism these days. Then for questioning he just focuses on the areas of discussion given to him on said press release. No real questioning, no investigation. This goes for nearly all of them in that field. I guess they're under a gag, but with real journalism this thing would be over.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 17, 2020 9:11:11 GMT
Tiers won’t change There is no way they can show the people of London that we are moving you to tier 3 but giving parts of the country tier 2 It would not surprise me to see tier 3 implemented across England til January
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 17, 2020 9:17:49 GMT
There will be bugger all changes in the tiers despite many regions now having much lower rates than previously. Liverpool was allowed a drop as it was the 'poster boy' for the magical lateral testing which fixes all ills Liverpool's rates dropped from over 700 to under 300, unfortunately I don't think Manchester has got that low yet. My sister was telling me that people she knows from Kidsgrove area where rates are higher, are going to Alsager and Sandbach etc. for a meal and to the pub and not getting challenged, it's idiots like this that will keep feeding the powers that be the numbers to keep us restricted It's much lower than 300 at 156 with 1 area under 100. Local leaders are asking for some areas to be allowed to move into Tier 2 but not all. This government's tardiness to deliver a decision no mind about the inconsistencies of their decision is a disgrace but now fully expected. We just have to wait for the general election before meaningful feedback can be given. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/latest-coronavirus-infection-rates-ten-19472238
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