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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 14, 2020 20:10:02 GMT
There's no doubt with it all kicking off in London and the South East and with the north and Midlands being 2 weeks out of lockdown that cases will start to rocket again. Once we've all been meeting up at Xmas and then flu season kicking in things will really get messy in January.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Dec 14, 2020 20:22:40 GMT
There's no doubt with it all kicking off in London and the South East and with the north and Midlands being 2 weeks out of lockdown that cases will start to rocket again. Once we've all been meeting up at Xmas and then flu season kicking in things will really get messy in January. Yep but it’s nothing new. We knew Jan/Feb would be the crunch months, Chuck in the governments wonderful plan of allowing people to get pissed and argue with relatives for five days and you have yourself a lockdown jan/Feb. But to play devils advocate certain people wouldn’t stick to rules, plenty don’t already, just need to look out of the window over the weekend to see many neighbours with people round in doors. It’s the ‘it will be ok’ ‘it’s just two people’ etc etc
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Post by Gods on Dec 14, 2020 20:28:24 GMT
A superb piece. The Economy or Health was always a false dichotomy. The two are inextricably linked.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 20:38:46 GMT
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 14, 2020 20:40:43 GMT
A superb piece. The Economy or Health was always a false dichotomy. The two are inextricably linked. They are indeed, we may see many instances of serious physical and mental health issues for years to come due to the destruction of the economy and the focus on C19 to the detriment of everything else. As to herd immunity and Henehan didn’t the governments advisors themselves recently state that there appeared to be certain levels of immunity in the population?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 14, 2020 20:40:48 GMT
No-one gives a fuck now, and Hancock’s insanely daft remark regarding a new strain with absolutely no evidence whatsoever will just be laughed off by Londoners, this will be the catalyst for some serious anti-lockdown protests around the country now, at least I hope so.
I’ve been out and about the past couple of weeks and it’s been utterly joyous to see people just going about their Christmas shopping and talking to their friends, having a beer, albeit with the odd pause because their glasses have steamed up thanks to the muzzles (that don’t work clearly) stuck on their faces.
The odd nutcase on here and social media is still screaming lock everything down from their plague-proof ivory towers but it’s plain as day to see from my perspective that the wider public just want to crack on with their lives now, 10 fucking months of this, enough.
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Post by chad on Dec 14, 2020 20:51:13 GMT
No-one gives a fuck now, and Hancock’s insanely daft remark regarding a new strain with absolutely no evidence whatsoever will just be laughed off by Londoners, this will be the catalyst for some serious anti-lockdown protests around the country now, at least I hope so. I’ve been out and about the past couple of weeks and it’s been utterly joyous to see people just going about their Christmas shopping and talking to their friends, having a beer, albeit with the odd pause because their glasses have steamed up thanks to the muzzles (that don’t work clearly) stuck on their faces. The odd nutcase on here and social media is still screaming lock everything down from their plague-proof ivory towers but it’s plain as day to see from my perspective that the wider public just want to crack on with their lives now, 10 fucking months of this, enough. So 400 people a day dieing and this almost certainly going to be over 500 a day come January and you think it’s ok and that everyone should just “get on with it “
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 14, 2020 20:53:25 GMT
No-one gives a fuck now, and Hancock’s insanely daft remark regarding a new strain with absolutely no evidence whatsoever will just be laughed off by Londoners, this will be the catalyst for some serious anti-lockdown protests around the country now, at least I hope so. I’ve been out and about the past couple of weeks and it’s been utterly joyous to see people just going about their Christmas shopping and talking to their friends, having a beer, albeit with the odd pause because their glasses have steamed up thanks to the muzzles (that don’t work clearly) stuck on their faces. The odd nutcase on here and social media is still screaming lock everything down from their plague-proof ivory towers but it’s plain as day to see from my perspective that the wider public just want to crack on with their lives now, 10 fucking months of this, enough. We all want to crack on mate, nobody wants lockdowns and restrictions but for a few months more they are a necessity unless you're happy with 1000 people dying of it every day.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 20:53:40 GMT
No-one gives a fuck now, and Hancock’s insanely daft remark regarding a new strain with absolutely no evidence whatsoever will just be laughed off by Londoners, this will be the catalyst for some serious anti-lockdown protests around the country now, at least I hope so. I’ve been out and about the past couple of weeks and it’s been utterly joyous to see people just going about their Christmas shopping and talking to their friends, having a beer, albeit with the odd pause because their glasses have steamed up thanks to the muzzles (that don’t work clearly) stuck on their faces. The odd nutcase on here and social media is still screaming lock everything down from their plague-proof ivory towers but it’s plain as day to see from my perspective that the wider public just want to crack on with their lives now, 10 fucking months of this, enough. Incredible post🙄no words
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 14, 2020 20:55:29 GMT
No-one gives a fuck now, and Hancock’s insanely daft remark regarding a new strain with absolutely no evidence whatsoever will just be laughed off by Londoners, this will be the catalyst for some serious anti-lockdown protests around the country now, at least I hope so. I’ve been out and about the past couple of weeks and it’s been utterly joyous to see people just going about their Christmas shopping and talking to their friends, having a beer, albeit with the odd pause because their glasses have steamed up thanks to the muzzles (that don’t work clearly) stuck on their faces. The odd nutcase on here and social media is still screaming lock everything down from their plague-proof ivory towers but it’s plain as day to see from my perspective that the wider public just want to crack on with their lives now, 10 fucking months of this, enough. So 400 people a day dieing and this almost certainly going to be over 500 a day come January and you think it’s ok and that everyone should just “get on with it “ How many are dying of cancer? How many are dying of heart disease? How many are dying of diabetes? How many people are killing themselves? How many are dying in car accidents? How many are not getting diagnosed with illnesses that could kill them if they’re not found early enough? How many are dying at home at the hands of abusers they cannot escape? The world does not revolve around Covid-19, were you of this view when we had monumental flu deaths in 2017/18? Or did you not notice it because it wasn’t constantly pumped through media channels?
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Post by Boothen on Dec 14, 2020 20:55:55 GMT
1) It is new - Hancock said Porton Down have notified the WHO. It may be similar to other strains in circulation but it is new. 2) If Hancock gave the impression that it is spreading faster I agree he's being a knob whether for putting out confused messages or for deliberately trying to scare people - neither of which is helpful. And when did they find out about this new strain, just before the announcement? Absolute shambles It's not a new strain, it's a new variant of the main strain. There's quite a large and significant difference betwixt strains and variants when it comes to virology.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 14, 2020 20:57:21 GMT
No-one gives a fuck now, and Hancock’s insanely daft remark regarding a new strain with absolutely no evidence whatsoever will just be laughed off by Londoners, this will be the catalyst for some serious anti-lockdown protests around the country now, at least I hope so. I’ve been out and about the past couple of weeks and it’s been utterly joyous to see people just going about their Christmas shopping and talking to their friends, having a beer, albeit with the odd pause because their glasses have steamed up thanks to the muzzles (that don’t work clearly) stuck on their faces. The odd nutcase on here and social media is still screaming lock everything down from their plague-proof ivory towers but it’s plain as day to see from my perspective that the wider public just want to crack on with their lives now, 10 fucking months of this, enough. We all want to crack on mate, nobody wants lockdowns and restrictions but for a few months more they are a necessity unless you're happy with 1000 people dying of it every day. They’re not a necessity when they clearly don’t work, the plan always should have been isolate and protect the vulnerable and let people like me take the brunt of it, instead we not only have a shitload of deaths but also a country in absolute ruin, it hasn’t worked.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 14, 2020 20:58:41 GMT
No-one gives a fuck now, and Hancock’s insanely daft remark regarding a new strain with absolutely no evidence whatsoever will just be laughed off by Londoners, this will be the catalyst for some serious anti-lockdown protests around the country now, at least I hope so. I’ve been out and about the past couple of weeks and it’s been utterly joyous to see people just going about their Christmas shopping and talking to their friends, having a beer, albeit with the odd pause because their glasses have steamed up thanks to the muzzles (that don’t work clearly) stuck on their faces. The odd nutcase on here and social media is still screaming lock everything down from their plague-proof ivory towers but it’s plain as day to see from my perspective that the wider public just want to crack on with their lives now, 10 fucking months of this, enough. So 400 people a day dieing and this almost certainly going to be over 500 a day come January and you think it’s ok and that everyone should just “get on with it “ It’s not as simple/binary as that though. If you were to look at it like that why wouldn’t we lock down every year for flu, are the 1000’s that die from flu not important. Context is also important as it appears that many of these people might not have died because of Covid.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 14, 2020 21:02:28 GMT
Scam. More seriously significant information that folk will ignore. Can't spoil the official tale... But I've just watched an advert on the TV (for the flu jab) stating that the flu kills on average 10000 people every year. Not this year it hasn't. They aren't even trying to hide their lies anymore as there's plenty of people begging to swallow it.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 14, 2020 21:09:55 GMT
We all want to crack on mate, nobody wants lockdowns and restrictions but for a few months more they are a necessity unless you're happy with 1000 people dying of it every day. They’re not a necessity when they clearly don’t work, the plan always should have been isolate and protect the vulnerable and let people like me take the brunt of it, instead we not only have a shitload of deaths but also a country in absolute ruin, it hasn’t worked. Lockdowns do work, without them the 500 deaths we are currently seeing would turn into thousands. We saw what happens when you are late into lockdown in April when we hit 1000 a day before lockdown stopped it spiraling out of control. Shielding the vulnerable doesn't work, official figures state that only a small percentage of old / vulnerable people do not live with people of a younger age who go out to work / school etc. It's impossible to keep them seperate with all the multi generational families.
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Post by Gods on Dec 14, 2020 21:09:55 GMT
A superb piece. The Economy or Health was always a false dichotomy. The two are inextricably linked. They are indeed, we may see many instances of serious physical and mental health issues for years to come due to the destruction of the economy and the focus on C19 to the detriment of everything else. As to herd immunity and Henehan didn’t the governments advisors themselves recently state that there appeared to be certain levels of immunity in the population? You won't help people with mental health issues either if your hospitals are rammed full of coughing, wheezing covid patients about to cark it. Covid patients or Non-Covid patients is another false dichotomy. The countries which have not completely knackered their economy and where the population have their lives back are the ones who have gone about eliminating the virus seriously not just played at it.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 14, 2020 21:13:16 GMT
They are indeed, we may see many instances of serious physical and mental health issues for years to come due to the destruction of the economy and the focus on C19 to the detriment of everything else. As to herd immunity and Henehan didn’t the governments advisors themselves recently state that there appeared to be certain levels of immunity in the population? You won't help people with mental health issues either if your hospitals are rammed full of coughing, wheezing covid patients about to cark it. Covid patients or Non-Covid patients is another false dichotomy. The countries which have not completely knackered their economy and where the population have their lives back are the ones who have gone about eliminating the virus seriously not just played at it. Outside of China I’m not sure that’s correct Australia and NZ have both seen the biggest contractions in their economies for decades.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 14, 2020 21:21:46 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 14, 2020 21:27:04 GMT
London really not looking good is it.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 14, 2020 22:12:43 GMT
They’re not a necessity when they clearly don’t work, the plan always should have been isolate and protect the vulnerable and let people like me take the brunt of it, instead we not only have a shitload of deaths but also a country in absolute ruin, it hasn’t worked. Lockdowns do work, without them the 500 deaths we are currently seeing would turn into thousands. We saw what happens when you are late into lockdown in April when we hit 1000 a day before lockdown stopped it spiraling out of control. Shielding the vulnerable doesn't work, official figures state that only a small percentage of old / vulnerable people do not live with people of a younger age who go out to work / school etc. It's impossible to keep them seperate with all the multi generational families. They don't work at all. Why do you think we are now facing a third lockdown? By default they slow the rate of infection because no one is allowed out but they don't eradicate anything! You're only ever a few weeks away from another peak of infections. That's not some kind of genius strategy, it just means people are banned from living their life, touching others and leaving their house to temporarily shove this virus under the carpet while obliterating an entire nation in the process 😂 For a lockdown to "work" surely you have to factor in more than just slowing the infection rate? We can't just think in this small bubble of what the immediate impact is without considering the wider impact. What about the biggest economical crash in history facing us? What about suicide rates going through the roof (figures aren't being released at the moment for a reason) with a mental health pandemic? What about education and children's livelihoods being totally fucked? What about homelessness set to rocket? What about wider deaths due to untreated or delayed illness? What about the inevitable crime and violence that comes out of any economical hardship? What about people who have lost everything? Any death is tragic but you can't implement blanket lockdowns for something that affects a tiny tiny proportion of the population. It's utter madness. The biggest conclusion in years to come in the inevitable inquest will be that the untargeted nature of these lockdowns was utterly scandalous. Your comment around elderly living with kids is just outright wrong. Paul I think it was posted the other day that over 60% of over 65s do NOT live with younger people. Everything about these lockdowns has been fucking lazy and based on some of the most flimsy evidence you'll ever see in your life. Summed up by the comical scotch egg in a pub saga and the fact that hospitality gets shut down despite being responsible for 10x less infections than schools and universities.. Which stay open. You can't justify this dumb ass strategy. These lockdowns will go down in history as the most hapless, lazy, pathetic and destructive overreaction to a crisis in history. You'll deny this which is fine and that's your opinion. But totally happy to bump this in a few years 😊
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 14, 2020 22:34:28 GMT
Lockdowns do work, without them the 500 deaths we are currently seeing would turn into thousands. We saw what happens when you are late into lockdown in April when we hit 1000 a day before lockdown stopped it spiraling out of control. Shielding the vulnerable doesn't work, official figures state that only a small percentage of old / vulnerable people do not live with people of a younger age who go out to work / school etc. It's impossible to keep them seperate with all the multi generational families. They don't work at all. Why do you think we are now facing a third lockdown? By default they slow the rate of infection because no one is allowed out but they don't eradicate anything! You're only ever a few weeks away from another peak of infections. That's not some kind of genius strategy, it just means people are banned from living their life, touching others and leaving their house to temporarily shove this virus under the carpet while obliterating an entire nation in the process 😂 For a lockdown to "work" surely you have to factor in more than just slowing the infection rate? We can't just think in this small bubble of what the immediate impact is without considering the wider impact. What about the biggest economical crash in history facing us? What about suicide rates going through the roof (figures aren't being released at the moment for a reason) with a mental health pandemic? What about education and children's livelihoods being totally fucked? What about homelessness set to rocket? What about wider deaths due to untreated or delayed illness? What about the inevitable crime and violence that comes out of any economical hardship? What about people who have lost everything? Any death is tragic but you can't implement blanket lockdowns for something that affects a tiny tiny proportion of the population. It's utter madness. The biggest conclusion in years to come in the inevitable inquest will be that the untargeted nature of these lockdowns was utterly scandalous. Your comment around elderly living with kids is just outright wrong. Paul I think it was posted the other day that over 60% of over 65s do NOT live with younger people. Everything about these lockdowns has been fucking lazy and based on some of the most flimsy evidence you'll ever see in your life. Summed up by the comical scotch egg in a pub saga and the fact that hospitality gets shut down despite being responsible for 10x less infections than schools and universities.. Which stay open. You can't justify this dumb ass strategy. These lockdowns will go down in history as the most hapless, lazy, pathetic and destructive overreaction to a crisis in history. You'll deny this which is fine and that's your opinion. But totally happy to bump this in a few years 😊 Indeed. 92% of ALL workers don't live in the same household as another person aged 65 or over ...
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 14, 2020 22:36:07 GMT
They don't work at all. Why do you think we are now facing a third lockdown? By default they slow the rate of infection because no one is allowed out but they don't eradicate anything! You're only ever a few weeks away from another peak of infections. That's not some kind of genius strategy, it just means people are banned from living their life, touching others and leaving their house to temporarily shove this virus under the carpet while obliterating an entire nation in the process 😂 For a lockdown to "work" surely you have to factor in more than just slowing the infection rate? We can't just think in this small bubble of what the immediate impact is without considering the wider impact. What about the biggest economical crash in history facing us? What about suicide rates going through the roof (figures aren't being released at the moment for a reason) with a mental health pandemic? What about education and children's livelihoods being totally fucked? What about homelessness set to rocket? What about wider deaths due to untreated or delayed illness? What about the inevitable crime and violence that comes out of any economical hardship? What about people who have lost everything? Any death is tragic but you can't implement blanket lockdowns for something that affects a tiny tiny proportion of the population. It's utter madness. The biggest conclusion in years to come in the inevitable inquest will be that the untargeted nature of these lockdowns was utterly scandalous. Your comment around elderly living with kids is just outright wrong. Paul I think it was posted the other day that over 60% of over 65s do NOT live with younger people. Everything about these lockdowns has been fucking lazy and based on some of the most flimsy evidence you'll ever see in your life. Summed up by the comical scotch egg in a pub saga and the fact that hospitality gets shut down despite being responsible for 10x less infections than schools and universities.. Which stay open. You can't justify this dumb ass strategy. These lockdowns will go down in history as the most hapless, lazy, pathetic and destructive overreaction to a crisis in history. You'll deny this which is fine and that's your opinion. But totally happy to bump this in a few years 😊 Indeed. 92% of ALL workers don't live in the same household as another person aged 65 or over ... That's the one I was after! Thanks for re-posting.
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Post by adri2008 on Dec 14, 2020 22:38:04 GMT
Lockdowns do work, without them the 500 deaths we are currently seeing would turn into thousands. We saw what happens when you are late into lockdown in April when we hit 1000 a day before lockdown stopped it spiraling out of control. Shielding the vulnerable doesn't work, official figures state that only a small percentage of old / vulnerable people do not live with people of a younger age who go out to work / school etc. It's impossible to keep them seperate with all the multi generational families. They don't work at all. Why do you think we are now facing a third lockdown? By default they slow the rate of infection because no one is allowed out but they don't eradicate anything! You're only ever a few weeks away from another peak of infections. That's not some kind of genius strategy, it just means people are banned from living their life, touching others and leaving their house to temporarily shove this virus under the carpet while obliterating an entire nation in the process 😂 For a lockdown to "work" surely you have to factor in more than just slowing the infection rate? We can't just think in this small bubble of what the immediate impact is without considering the wider impact. What about the biggest economical crash in history facing us? What about suicide rates going through the roof (figures aren't being released at the moment for a reason) with a mental health pandemic? What about education and children's livelihoods being totally fucked? What about homelessness set to rocket? What about wider deaths due to untreated or delayed illness? What about the inevitable crime and violence that comes out of any economical hardship? What about people who have lost everything? Any death is tragic but you can't implement blanket lockdowns for something that affects a tiny tiny proportion of the population. It's utter madness. The biggest conclusion in years to come in the inevitable inquest will be that the untargeted nature of these lockdowns was utterly scandalous. Your comment around elderly living with kids is just outright wrong. Paul I think it was posted the other day that over 60% of over 65s do NOT live with younger people. Everything about these lockdowns has been fucking lazy and based on some of the most flimsy evidence you'll ever see in your life. Summed up by the comical scotch egg in a pub saga and the fact that hospitality gets shut down despite being responsible for 10x less infections than schools and universities.. Which stay open. You can't justify this dumb ass strategy. These lockdowns will go down in history as the most hapless, lazy, pathetic and destructive overreaction to a crisis in history. You'll deny this which is fine and that's your opinion. But totally happy to bump this in a few years 😊 I don't really see why we couldn't just have carried on like in the summer with some restrictions in place but hospitality allowed to function in a reasonable and controlled manner particularly as many had invested in large outdoor seating areas. Get rid of the counter productive curfew (so people leave in a staggered manner) and penalise heavily any bar/pub which is blatantly not abiding by the guidelines. These lockdowns have been a complete farce whilst the biggest spreader between households (schools) have been allowed to carry on but the government felt they had to be seen to be doing something so basically offered up the hospitality sector and non essential retail as some sort of sacrificial lamb.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 14, 2020 22:45:26 GMT
They don't work at all. Why do you think we are now facing a third lockdown? By default they slow the rate of infection because no one is allowed out but they don't eradicate anything! You're only ever a few weeks away from another peak of infections. That's not some kind of genius strategy, it just means people are banned from living their life, touching others and leaving their house to temporarily shove this virus under the carpet while obliterating an entire nation in the process 😂 For a lockdown to "work" surely you have to factor in more than just slowing the infection rate? We can't just think in this small bubble of what the immediate impact is without considering the wider impact. What about the biggest economical crash in history facing us? What about suicide rates going through the roof (figures aren't being released at the moment for a reason) with a mental health pandemic? What about education and children's livelihoods being totally fucked? What about homelessness set to rocket? What about wider deaths due to untreated or delayed illness? What about the inevitable crime and violence that comes out of any economical hardship? What about people who have lost everything? Any death is tragic but you can't implement blanket lockdowns for something that affects a tiny tiny proportion of the population. It's utter madness. The biggest conclusion in years to come in the inevitable inquest will be that the untargeted nature of these lockdowns was utterly scandalous. Your comment around elderly living with kids is just outright wrong. Paul I think it was posted the other day that over 60% of over 65s do NOT live with younger people. Everything about these lockdowns has been fucking lazy and based on some of the most flimsy evidence you'll ever see in your life. Summed up by the comical scotch egg in a pub saga and the fact that hospitality gets shut down despite being responsible for 10x less infections than schools and universities.. Which stay open. You can't justify this dumb ass strategy. These lockdowns will go down in history as the most hapless, lazy, pathetic and destructive overreaction to a crisis in history. You'll deny this which is fine and that's your opinion. But totally happy to bump this in a few years 😊 I don't really see why we couldn't just have carried on like in the summer with some restrictions in place but hospitality allowed to function in a reasonable and controlled manner particularly as many had invested in large outdoor seating areas. Get rid of the counter productive curfew (so people leave in a staggered manner) and penalise heavily any bar/pub which is blatantly not abiding by the guidelines. These lockdowns have been a complete farce whilst the biggest spreader between households (schools) have been allowed to carry on but the government felt they had to be seen to be doing something so basically offered up the hospitality sector and non essential retail as some sort of sacrificial lamb. Absolutely.
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Post by Gods on Dec 14, 2020 22:46:47 GMT
Hospitals are going to be rammed in Jan/Feb, there will surely be a re-think on the 5-day Xmas beano whatever the Government may have you believe.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Dec 14, 2020 22:53:05 GMT
Hospitals are going to be rammed in Jan/Feb, there will surely be a re-think on the 5-day Xmas beano whatever the Government may have you believe. I’ve been alive for 27 years and as far back as I can remember they’ve always been at crisis point every winter without fail.
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Post by andystokey on Dec 14, 2020 22:57:34 GMT
Fed up of all these double standard London MPs crawling out of the swamp to moan about London going into Tier 3 all over the TV. Didn't give a shit about anyone outside of the capital a few weeks ago.
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Post by Davef on Dec 14, 2020 22:58:41 GMT
Hospitals are going to be rammed in Jan/Feb, there will surely be a re-think on the 5-day Xmas beano whatever the Government may have you believe. I’ve been alive for 27 years and as far back as I can remember they’ve always been at crisis point every winter without fail. The figures have never been rammed down your throat before though, and when there have been front page headlines of emergency wards close to capacity and patients waiting on trolleys in hospital corridors, Government ministers haven't given the slightest shit.
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 14, 2020 23:06:43 GMT
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Post by chad on Dec 14, 2020 23:07:54 GMT
So 400 people a day dieing and this almost certainly going to be over 500 a day come January and you think it’s ok and that everyone should just “get on with it “ It’s not as simple/binary as that though. If you were to look at it like that why wouldn’t we lock down every year for flu, are the 1000’s that die from flu not important. Context is also important as it appears that many of these people might not have died because of Covid. No we don’t lock down for flu. But the fact we have locked down for Covid for the best part of eight months and still 500 people a day are dying. How many a day do you think that would be without restrictions 1000 2000 I hate these restrictions. I’ve got two grandkids aged 5 and 7. I’ve seen them 3 times since March but some we can’t just go about our normal daily lives and let the thing run wild Hopefully once the vaccine is widely available things will improve but sadly I think another three or four months of restrictions of done form or another is inevitable
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