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Post by mrcoke on Mar 19, 2020 19:29:00 GMT
Not fair to blame Tony for this one. In which world? School budgets have been slashed. What evidence do you have for that statement? This does not suggest "slashed": www.ifs.org.uk/publications/14369
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 19, 2020 19:31:48 GMT
Paul Spencer: quote. " I just don't understand how there all these new cases when Northern Italy has been in complete lock down for nearly two weeks now.
I'd be really interested to hear what the theory is for it.
Please let the 14 day period be accurate".
The spread is due to all the secret extra marital affairs!
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Post by felonious on Mar 19, 2020 19:33:59 GMT
Bloody hell is that all Tony and Gordon's PPI could pay for? They shoulder some of the blame but I don't remember parents having to pay for books, headmasters writing begging letters and schools closing on a Friday in those days. Why do you think schools can't deliver on line lessons in our country that much smaller economies can deliver at the click of a switch? I used to provide used computers to my kids junior school in the good old days under Tony and Gordon when times were great. People are dying of Coronavirus hence the title of the thread. Are you and Momentum bothered or is it an opportunity?
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 19, 2020 19:34:33 GMT
My lass is a school teacher assistant. All teachers at their group of schools have been told they've got to go in on Monday as usual. She says they may also have to work through easter.
OS.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Mar 19, 2020 19:34:44 GMT
No one is coping mate, Italy is on its knees in desperation. Not enough people following the rules and not enough policing. The military have already started descending, won't be too long until they are patrolling the streets It sounds terrible but I refuse to believe italy population 60m has more deaths than China population 1 billion+ only explanations are china are massively under reporting deaths or they know how to treat it / have vaccine as its not shall we say a disease of nature, I think its probably the former but...... Maybe the size of the countries? China is huge and as far as I thought, only Hubei was really badly hit. That alone is probably the size of some European countries, at a guess? I could well be talking complete shit by the way. I was surprised to learn that the UK has a larger population than both Italy and Spain so it wouldn’t surprise me if we eventually surpass their death totals, given the size of the UK and how densely populated it is. That sounds morbid as fuck, I know, but if MilanStokie is saying that many Italians aren’t adhering to the rules, you can guarantee it’ll be the same over here, if not worse. People still seem to be not really giving a shit. MilanStokie - is there any particular areas that are worse affected over there? Or is it a fairly even spread?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 19, 2020 19:36:23 GMT
Getting sick of all the empty words and bluster. My missus works on the front line of the healthcare industry, in one of the highest risk industries and is in the category of risk being on the Vaccine register with a chronic, lifetime illness. She's been told today by the GP that Public Health England are not recommending she stays away from work, despite the government advising earlier in the week that by the weekend they will be advising people in her category to socially distance themselves and isolate for 12 weeks. With her job that is physically impossible. She now has a choice. Take the risk and work (and ultimately risk her life) or take time off unpaid and risk getting the sack, of which there will be no comebacks. Where is all of this money that was promised? Where is the legislation to stop private healthcare providers putting their pound coins before the safety of their workers? These daily briefings are utterly devoid of any substance and are a complete waste of time. What an utterly dreadful position you are being put in mate.
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Post by henry on Mar 19, 2020 19:38:01 GMT
Bloody hell, that is not good. How are the emergency services coping? No one is coping mate, Italy is on its knees in desperation. Not enough people following the rules and not enough policing. The military have already started descending, won't be too long until they are patrolling the streets Have you had any power outage's while under lockdown ?
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Post by mrpickles on Mar 19, 2020 19:39:33 GMT
I’d love to work from home As it happens I work on the front line of the nhs and they’ve asked if we can do some more hours to help cope with what’s about to envelop re staffing and patients etc etc Got fuck all else do so I’m in and at least the roads will be quiet Always a positive 😊 Top man! You may play it down, but without people such as your good self, we'd be absolutely fucked. So, a genuine thankyou from me and my family mate. Keep safe 👍
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 19, 2020 19:40:18 GMT
They shoulder some of the blame but I don't remember parents having to pay for books, headmasters writing begging letters and schools closing on a Friday in those days. Why do you think schools can't deliver on line lessons in our country that much smaller economies can deliver at the click of a switch? I used to provide used computers to my kids junior school in the good old days under Tony and Gordon when times were great. People are dying of Coronavirus hence the title of the thread. Are you and Momentum bothered or is it an opportunity? It's a national emergency and the ability and willingness of an economy to react to it are front and centre of the debate. I'm not surprised however that people like you want to close down debate on it because as each layer is slowly revealed, we see what a criminally rigged and pernicious economy it is, where workers who generate all the wealth are left to wither and literally die to prop up the few. Well done.
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Post by felonious on Mar 19, 2020 19:40:26 GMT
427 dead in Italy today. More in Italy than China now. 5322 new cases as well by far highest increase in a 24 hour period. It's gathering even more pace than before... I just don't understand how there all these new cases when Northern Italy has been in complete lock down for nearly two weeks now. I'd be really interested to hear what the theory is for it. Please let the 14 day period be accurate. I think he's said that people are ignoring requests to stay indoors in Milan similar to a small proportion of the population over here. My daughter left Milan 4 weeks ago her office there closed down two days before this so the measures have been building up for some time before the last two weeks. I think from today's conference we're being led to believe that it will take 12 weeks from now to get on the downward spiral and we're 2 to 4 weeks behind Italy. If we're right Italy still has some way to reach it's peak
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Post by felonious on Mar 19, 2020 19:42:52 GMT
I used to provide used computers to my kids junior school in the good old days under Tony and Gordon when times were great. People are dying of Coronavirus hence the title of the thread. Are you and Momentum bothered or is it an opportunity? It's a national emergency and the ability and willingness of an economy to react to it are front and centre of the debate. I'm not surprised however that people like you want to close down debate on it because as each layer is slowly revealed, we see what a criminally rigged and pernicious economy it is, where workers who generate all the wealth are left to wither and literally die to prop up the few. Well done. I'm not surprised that people like you want to turn every aspect of it into a political football after all it's what you do. People are dying and it's going to get worse. What do Momentum have to say about this. Is it an opportunity?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 19, 2020 19:46:28 GMT
I just don't understand how there all these new cases when Northern Italy has been in complete lock down for nearly two weeks now. I'd be really interested to hear what the theory is for it. Please let the 14 day period be accurate. I think he's said that people are ignoring requests to stay indoors in Milan similar to a small proportion of the population over here. My daughter left Milan 4 weeks ago her office there closed down two days before this so the measures have been building up for some time before the last two weeks. I think from today's conference we're being led to believe that it will take 12 weeks from now to get on the downward spiral and we're 2 to 4 weeks behind Italy. If we're right Italy still has some way to reach it's peak I have a friend in Naples, the most densely populated city in Europe and he said that the streets are absolutely empty, virtually everybody is obeying the lock-down because people know, that if they don't, then there's a real possibility that they could die.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 19, 2020 19:46:41 GMT
It's a national emergency and the ability and willingness of an economy to react to it are front and centre of the debate. I'm not surprised however that people like you want to close down debate on it because as each layer is slowly revealed, we see what a criminally rigged and pernicious economy it is, where workers who generate all the wealth are left to wither and literally die to prop up the few. Well done. I'm not surprised that people like you want to turn every aspect of it into a political football after all it's what you do. People are dying and it's going to get worse. What do Momentum have to say about this. Is it an opportunity? People are dying, people with the virus are going to work or face destitution, kids are in turmoil over their futures, old people are confused and scared but here you are with your look over there diversionary tactics. You're a Cummings wet dream
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Post by DunnetHeadMoonraker on Mar 19, 2020 19:46:58 GMT
Read this from the online Independent www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-muslim-mosque-closure-prayer-nhs-a9411936.htmlThis article states " Britain’s Muslims are amongst the hardest hit by the Covid-19 pandemic – senior NHS officials have told me that up to a quarter of British people who have died from the disease caused by the virus have been elderly Muslims.To those inside Muslim communities like me, this is shocking but not surprising. Muslims are particularly vulnerable to the virus and it needs to be recognised more broadly before it is too late. If Muslims feel let down, excluded or forgotten by the government response, there will be repercussions that last longer than the outbreak. " The " up to a quarter " statement is , of course , meaningless as it could mean any fraction considerably less than a quarter. The last sentence of the quote is quite clearly threatening and I consider it to be inappropriate.
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Post by foster on Mar 19, 2020 19:49:37 GMT
Teachers all around the world are delivering online lessons to timetable, yet the British lot will just be dumping a pile of sheets. Why aren't they being instructed by government to deliver live online lessons? No they're not. I've been at home all week and the organisation by the two schools my kids attend has been a total mess for the first 3 days. Just got some sheets and online stuff to do this morning and there are certainly no online lessons going on.
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Post by felonious on Mar 19, 2020 19:50:51 GMT
I think he's said that people are ignoring requests to stay indoors in Milan similar to a small proportion of the population over here. My daughter left Milan 4 weeks ago her office there closed down two days before this so the measures have been building up for some time before the last two weeks. I think from today's conference we're being led to believe that it will take 12 weeks from now to get on the downward spiral and we're 2 to 4 weeks behind Italy. If we're right Italy still has some way to reach it's peak I have a friend in Napoli, the most densely populated city in Europe and he said that the streets are absolutely empty, virtually everybody is obeying the lock-down because people know, that if they don't, then there's a real possibility that they could die. Is that because the people of Napoli have seen the crisis unfolding in the North and are actually taking notice of the grim situation and dire warnings. My daughter is telling me that her Italian colleagues seem to be continuing their lifestyle. By contrast she had a day's work in London on Monday pre the conference advice and hasn't been out since.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 19, 2020 19:51:46 GMT
Read this from the online Independent www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-muslim-mosque-closure-prayer-nhs-a9411936.htmlThis article states " Britain’s Muslims are amongst the hardest hit by the Covid-19 pandemic – senior NHS officials have told me that up to a quarter of British people who have died from the disease caused by the virus have been elderly Muslims.To those inside Muslim communities like me, this is shocking but not surprising. Muslims are particularly vulnerable to the virus and it needs to be recognised more broadly before it is too late. If Muslims feel let down, excluded or forgotten by the government response, there will be repercussions that last longer than the outbreak. " The " up to a quarter " statement is , of course , meaningless as it could mean any fraction considerably less than a quarter. The last sentence of the quote is quite clearly threatening and I consider it to be inappropriate. "The coronavirus bailout is still minuscule compared to the funding made available during the financial crisis".
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 19, 2020 19:52:21 GMT
It sounds terrible but I refuse to believe italy population 60m has more deaths than China population 1 billion+ only explanations are china are massively under reporting deaths or they know how to treat it / have vaccine as its not shall we say a disease of nature, I think its probably the former but...... Maybe the size of the countries? China is huge and as far as I thought, only Hubei was really badly hit. That alone is probably the size of some European countries, at a guess? I could well be talking complete shit by the way. I was surprised to learn that the UK has a larger population than both Italy and Spain so it wouldn’t surprise me if we eventually surpass their death totals, given the size of the UK and how densely populated it is. That sounds morbid as fuck, I know, but if MilanStokie is saying that many Italians aren’t adhering to the rules, you can guarantee it’ll be the same over here, if not worse. People still seem to be not really giving a shit. MilanStokie - is there any particular areas that are worse affected over there? Or is it a fairly even spread? I think you are right on the size of hubei but the fact they lied about there being a problem, lied about the true extent of it so I think its fair to assume they lied about the deaths and are lying about what is going on now. As for not spreading elsewhere you literally need 1 person to move between countries / provinces to spread it and even with the way of life in china that just seems remarkable or..... As for the uk i had to drive to vets to get some tablets for the dogs saw 2 pubs open and plenty of selfish twats in there.
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 19, 2020 19:53:13 GMT
Except for walking the dog in a morning I'm now on official lockdown. I've even had to set up the grandkids' pocket money online. I've been ordered to get Skype working. (Gotta order a webcam from Amazon now.) Three months solitary! I can see you lot getting fed up with me. By the time they 'let me out' I'll have notched up more posts than Bayern. OS.
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 19, 2020 19:53:31 GMT
Read this from the online Independent www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-muslim-mosque-closure-prayer-nhs-a9411936.htmlThis article states " Britain’s Muslims are amongst the hardest hit by the Covid-19 pandemic – senior NHS officials have told me that up to a quarter of British people who have died from the disease caused by the virus have been elderly Muslims.To those inside Muslim communities like me, this is shocking but not surprising. Muslims are particularly vulnerable to the virus and it needs to be recognised more broadly before it is too late. If Muslims feel let down, excluded or forgotten by the government response, there will be repercussions that last longer than the outbreak. " The " up to a quarter " statement is , of course , meaningless as it could mean any fraction considerably less than a quarter. The last sentence of the quote is quite clearly threatening and I consider it to be inappropriate. Statistics. This shows that at least 75% of those who have died in the UK are not Muslim. Therefore they cannot realistically be described as a highly vulnerable group.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 19, 2020 19:55:28 GMT
I have a friend in Napoli, the most densely populated city in Europe and he said that the streets are absolutely empty, virtually everybody is obeying the lock-down because people know, that if they don't, then there's a real possibility that they could die. Is that because the people of Napoli have seen the crisis unfolding in the North and are actually taking notice of the grim situation and dire warnings. My daughter is telling me that her Italian colleagues seem to be continuing their lifestyle. By contrast she had a day's work in London on Monday pre the conference advice and hasn't been out since. God knows mate, I can't believe that people would be that stupid. But what lifestyle is their to continue, everything is shut?
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Post by foster on Mar 19, 2020 20:00:56 GMT
Read this from the online Independent www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-muslim-mosque-closure-prayer-nhs-a9411936.htmlThis article states " Britain’s Muslims are amongst the hardest hit by the Covid-19 pandemic – senior NHS officials have told me that up to a quarter of British people who have died from the disease caused by the virus have been elderly Muslims.To those inside Muslim communities like me, this is shocking but not surprising. Muslims are particularly vulnerable to the virus and it needs to be recognised more broadly before it is too late. If Muslims feel let down, excluded or forgotten by the government response, there will be repercussions that last longer than the outbreak. " The " up to a quarter " statement is , of course , meaningless as it could mean any fraction considerably less than a quarter. The last sentence of the quote is quite clearly threatening and I consider it to be inappropriate. I honestly could not give a fuck about religion, race or politics at this point in time.... Or most other times for that matter. It would actually be nice if people stopped posting about those things in this thread.
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Post by felonious on Mar 19, 2020 20:01:15 GMT
I'm not surprised that people like you want to turn every aspect of it into a political football after all it's what you do. People are dying and it's going to get worse. What do Momentum have to say about this. Is it an opportunity? People are dying, people with the virus are going to work or face destitution, kids are in turmoil over their futures, old people are confused and scared but here you are with your look over there diversionary tactics. You're a Cummings wet dream Which old people are confused? I've spoken to two today. The first out on the field, we spoke from 12 foot apart, she and her husband have locked themselves away her only worry being locked up with him for months is divorce after 60 years of marriage. The other one has locked herself away since Monday but was in the car for one last shop because the supermarkets can't deliver this week. I gently rebuked her because I've offered the services of the household here to get whatever she wants. You're a lunatic if you expect every aspect of this unprecedented crisis to be dealt with immediately. The latest initiatives announced by the Chancellor can't go through the commons until tomorrow. There will be more specific details re workers, etc tomorrow. Boris did his level best to reassure employers and employees today. No idea what else he can do when the specifics are being worked out. Keep sniping it's all that you have.
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Post by spitthedog on Mar 19, 2020 20:01:20 GMT
I just wondered if everybody is simply believing all the information were getting fed on this?
In 2017/18 45m people in the States got the a specific strain of flu virus according to Centre of Disease Control and Prevention figures from which 61,000 died.
Where was the hysteria then? That's a massive killer. Other people in other countries would have also got that same strain and would have died from it too, but it wasn't considered a danger, nor widely reported. There was no cure for those 61,000.
In 2018 Public Health claimed that 291 people died of flu in just one month (January) in the UK but it is likely that if the current deaths linked with this Coronavirus were calculated as they are currently being (i.e not taking into account the role of other existing illnesses) it could have been calculated officially as much higher.
I just think it's strange how we just simply believe all the stuff we are told about a specific virus (i.e. its origins, its dangers, how we should respond etc)
I'm also not sure why if we are told that 80-90% of people will recover why it is such a big deal as this basically the same with lots of flu virus' especially for people with underlying health conditions of which there are very many millions in this country including myself. In Jan 2018 100 in every 100,000 people were showing flu symptoms in UK according to official figures and 261 (with underlying health conditions) died as a result....in just 1 month. How is that very different from what is happening now? If that would of been based on testing of people who had shown symptoms only (i.e. what is happening now) that figure would have been far higher than what is being currently recorded for coronavirus and therefore should have been of as much concern because it was killing people and if it is killing people by definition there is no cure!
I'm not looking for an argument here, or trying to be controversial. I just think its good to be questioning. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't be careful about it, we should always be careful of such things. Virus' are always a danger to the vulnerable.
I just think we seem to have descended rapidly into a state of fear and panic, and when this happens people seem to stop thinking rationally and lose all sense of context. I feel like we are being whipped up into a frenzy which is not helpful for humanity in fact it brings out the worse in most cases.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 19, 2020 20:01:32 GMT
Except for walking the dog in a morning I'm now on official lockdown. I've even had to set up the grandkids' pocket money online. I've been ordered to get Skype working. (Gotta order a webcam from Amazon now.) Three months solitary! I can see you lot getting fed up with me. By the time they 'let me out' I'll have notched up more posts than Bayern. OS. Fucking hell. I would order 20 pairs of these if I were you! www.campingworld.co.uk/en/gb/Summit-Therma-Dry-Waterproof-Slippers-2018/m-22413.aspx
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 20:01:44 GMT
Except for walking the dog in a morning I'm now on official lockdown. I've even had to set up the grandkids' pocket money online. I've been ordered to get Skype working. (Gotta order a webcam from Amazon now.) Three months solitary! I can see you lot getting fed up with me. By the time they 'let me out' I'll have notched up more posts than Bayern. OS. Best of luck mate. If you don't already have one get a Kindle. You don't strike me as a bloke that could watch all of the shit that TV offers during the day.
I'm sure that there are loads of books that you have always thought that you would like, but never got down to actually reading.
Can't you take the mutt for an evening walk? (as well). You know, when things are quiet on the streets. Genuine question - if it is safe in the morning, therefore ...... My wife is in a similar exile - she is fast approaching 70 years of age, has had chemo, cancer twice, asthmatic ...... but daft as it sounds she is fit as a fiddle. She could outwalk a lot of 30 year olds.
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Post by felonious on Mar 19, 2020 20:02:32 GMT
Except for walking the dog in a morning I'm now on official lockdown. I've even had to set up the grandkids' pocket money online. I've been ordered to get Skype working. (Gotta order a webcam from Amazon now.) Three months solitary! I can see you lot getting fed up with me. By the time they 'let me out' I'll have notched up more posts than Bayern. OS. You should concentrate on the quality not the quantity
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2020 20:02:38 GMT
Except for walking the dog in a morning I'm now on official lockdown. I've even had to set up the grandkids' pocket money online. I've been ordered to get Skype working. (Gotta order a webcam from Amazon now.) Three months solitary! I can see you lot getting fed up with me. By the time they 'let me out' I'll have notched up more posts than Bayern. OS. Take care M. Look after yourself.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 19, 2020 20:02:53 GMT
People are dying, people with the virus are going to work or face destitution, kids are in turmoil over their futures, old people are confused and scared but here you are with your look over there diversionary tactics. You're a Cummings wet dream Which old people are confused? I've spoken to two today. The first out on the field, we spoke from 12 foot apart, she and her husband have locked themselves away her only worry being locked up with him for months is divorce after 60 years of marriage. The other one has locked herself away since Monday but was in the car for one last shop because the supermarkets can't deliver this week. I gently rebuked her because I've offered the services of the household here to get whatever she wants. You're a lunatic if you expect every aspect of this unprecedented crisis to be dealt with immediately. The latest initiatives announced by the Chancellor can't go through the commons until tomorrow. There will be more specific details re workers, etc tomorrow. Boris did his level best to reassure employers and employees today. No idea what else he can do when the specifics are being worked out. Keep sniping it's all that you have. Hard defending the indefensible things you believe in mate isn't it.....
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Post by followyoudown on Mar 19, 2020 20:04:46 GMT
Read this from the online Independent www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-muslim-mosque-closure-prayer-nhs-a9411936.htmlThis article states " Britain’s Muslims are amongst the hardest hit by the Covid-19 pandemic – senior NHS officials have told me that up to a quarter of British people who have died from the disease caused by the virus have been elderly Muslims.To those inside Muslim communities like me, this is shocking but not surprising. Muslims are particularly vulnerable to the virus and it needs to be recognised more broadly before it is too late. If Muslims feel let down, excluded or forgotten by the government response, there will be repercussions that last longer than the outbreak. " The " up to a quarter " statement is , of course , meaningless as it could mean any fraction considerably less than a quarter. The last sentence of the quote is quite clearly threatening and I consider it to be inappropriate. I dont think it's threatening and its not also just muslims, I think it is way of life with people who have sone roots / heritage from asia (india, sri lanka, china) they dont tend to put granny or granpa into a home, the family looks after them but with the best will in the world I am not sure expecting the government to put interpretors and information in different languages is the solution, that will take so long people have to communicate it to others within their community who may not be getting or understanding the message.
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