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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 9, 2020 16:17:41 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 9, 2020 16:18:37 GMT
With cases on the rise in London it looks like they’ll be in Tier 3 from next week
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 9, 2020 16:21:51 GMT
With cases on the rise in London it looks like they’ll be in Tier 3 from next week Cases can't possibly be rising in London with all the immunity there.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 9, 2020 16:22:36 GMT
You can't beat a remainer who praises the EU's delay on approving the vaccine, criticises our speedy response as "hasty" and yet every day complains Covid is terribly dangerous, killing loads of people and suggests economy ruining lockdowns are the way forward. I mean it's beyond words. And you can't beat a Brexiteer who complains about the economic impact of Covid restrictions that voted for something likely to be worse. Strange times indeed. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-29/worse-than-covid-risks-to-u-k-economy-as-brexit-deadline-nears⁰It won't be worse.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 9, 2020 16:24:54 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 9, 2020 16:26:32 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 9, 2020 16:27:59 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 9, 2020 17:00:01 GMT
Come on Solihull, you can do it 🙏
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 9, 2020 18:33:49 GMT
So the flu jab lessens the impact of flu on the “at risk” population, it stops the NHS from being overwhelmed but doesn’t kill the virus The covid vaccine does exactly the same thing. So as long as the “at risk” population has the vaccine there is no reason why we cannot have our lives back ASAP No wonder people are suspicious about there being a greater agenda to make sure there isn't a return to normal. In the deliberately narrow view presented to us in the media, as the sycophant and hopeless journalists bowl softball questions, the given narrative is left unchallenged. And another yet elephant in the room is allowed to wander around freely. And so we continue to be 'nudged' by the 'Nudge Unit' in a certain direction towards compulsory vaccinations and dystopian ID passes that will be required for a semblance of the natural freedoms that were removed from us. And it's all for something that is no real threat for the vast and overwhelming majority. The past few months have been a psychological attack of immense proportions, that people too easily underestimate. And you can witness the evidence of this when those who dismiss those who ponder it are castigated using the same tried and tested methods proposed by the Behavioural Insights Team. And, judging by yesterday, they've clearly decided to go with the use of cheap jingoism to promote this jab in the British psyche. I did post an image of abuse signs. Some of these are too close to how we've been manipulated. I don't need this jab, and don't want it. And I offer no benefit to society by taking it, or pose any threat to society by refusing it. And if I have to be coerced by being threatened and blackmailed with my own natural freedoms then immediately we're into the realms of control and tyranny, not health. Starkiller, how would you describe someone who refuses the vaccine, catches Covud19 and passes it on to someone else who dies?
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Post by starkiller on Dec 9, 2020 18:41:41 GMT
No wonder people are suspicious about there being a greater agenda to make sure there isn't a return to normal. In the deliberately narrow view presented to us in the media, as the sycophant and hopeless journalists bowl softball questions, the given narrative is left unchallenged. And another yet elephant in the room is allowed to wander around freely. And so we continue to be 'nudged' by the 'Nudge Unit' in a certain direction towards compulsory vaccinations and dystopian ID passes that will be required for a semblance of the natural freedoms that were removed from us. And it's all for something that is no real threat for the vast and overwhelming majority. The past few months have been a psychological attack of immense proportions, that people too easily underestimate. And you can witness the evidence of this when those who dismiss those who ponder it are castigated using the same tried and tested methods proposed by the Behavioural Insights Team. And, judging by yesterday, they've clearly decided to go with the use of cheap jingoism to promote this jab in the British psyche. I did post an image of abuse signs. Some of these are too close to how we've been manipulated. I don't need this jab, and don't want it. And I offer no benefit to society by taking it, or pose any threat to society by refusing it. And if I have to be coerced by being threatened and blackmailed with my own natural freedoms then immediately we're into the realms of control and tyranny, not health. Starkiller, how would you describe someone who refuses the vaccine, catches Covud19 and passes it on to someone else who dies? Well you're implying that a vaccine stops a person from getting it and spreading it. Neither which are true, BTW. And what does that make the other person?
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 9, 2020 19:04:31 GMT
All this stuff about the vaccine side-effects will worry some people so they may not have the jab. At this point we have little information on what they might be, but to put it into some kind of perspective, here's the side effects of Ibuprofen. Side effects requiring immediate medical attention Along with its needed effects, ibuprofen may cause some unwanted effects. Although not all of these side effects may occur, if they do occur they may need medical attention. Check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur while taking ibuprofen: More common Abdominal pain acid or sour stomach belching bloating cloudy urine decrease in amount of urine decrease in urine output or decrease in urine-concentrating ability diarrhea difficulty having a bowel movement (stool) excess air or gas in stomach or intestines full feeling heartburn indigestion itching skin pain or discomfort in chest, upper stomach, or throat pale skin passing gas nausea noisy, rattling breathing rash with flat lesions or small raised lesions on the skin shortness of breath swelling of face, fingers, hands, feet, lower legs, or ankles troubled breathing at rest troubled breathing with exertion unusual bleeding or bruising unusual tiredness or weakness vomiting weight gain Less common Abdominal cramps stomach soreness or discomfort Rare Agitation back, leg, or stomach pains bleeding gums blistering, peeling, loosening of skin blood in urine or stools bloody, black, or tarry stools blurred vision burning feeling in chest or stomach change in vision chest pain chills clay-colored stools coma confusion constipation cough or hoarseness dark urine decreased urine output depression difficulty breathing difficulty swallowing dilated neck veins dizziness dry mouth extreme fatigue fast, irregular, pounding, or racing heartbeat or pulse fever with or without chills frequent urination general body swelling general feeling of tiredness or weakness hair loss, thinning of hair headache hives or welts hostility impaired vision increased blood pressure increased volume of pale, dilute urine irregular breathing irritability itching joint or muscle pain lab results that show problems with liver lethargy light-colored stools loss of appetite lower back or side pain muscle twitching nosebleeds painful or difficult urination pains in stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back pinpoint red spots on skin puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue rash red skin lesions, often with a purple center red, irritated eyes redness of skin seizures severe abdominal pain, cramping, burning severe and continuing nausea sore throat sores, ulcers, or white spots in mouth or on lips stiff neck or back stomach upset stupor swollen or painful glands tenderness in stomach area thirst tightness in chest unpleasant breath odor upper right abdominal pain vomiting of blood vomiting of material that looks like coffee grounds wheezing yellow eyes and skin Symptoms of overdose Bluish lips or skin difficulty sleeping disorientation dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up from a lying or sitting position suddenly drowsiness to profound coma hallucination lightheadedness or fainting mood or other mental changes muscle tremors not breathing rapid, deep breathing restlessness slow or irregular heartbeat stomach cramps sudden fainting sweating Side effects not requiring immediate medical attention Some side effects of ibuprofen may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. Also, your health care professional may be able to tell you about ways to prevent or reduce some of these side effects. Check with your health care professional if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome or if you have any questions about them: More common Continuing ringing or buzzing or other unexplained noise in ears hearing loss nervousness Rare Crying depersonalization discouragement dry eyes dysphoria euphoria feeling sad or empty lack of appetite loss of interest or pleasure mental depression paranoia quick to react or overreact rapidly changing moods runny nose sleepiness or unusual drowsiness sleeplessness sneezing stuffy nose trouble concentrating trouble sleeping unable to sleep OS. With respect it's a slightly different order of magnitude when you have someone in your family who if they ingest tomato, egg, nuts, legumes of any kind, certain medication and a raft of other hidden items will result difficulty breathing due to restriction of the airway, increase in heart rate and then in death in less than 30 minutes if untreated. Andy. I was in no way belittling the affect of the vaccine on certain people who have known serious allergies where there is a risk to life. I was simply trying to put some perspective to what most drugs can have on people. In the case of those who are at serious risk of a reaction such as the ones you have described, then the vaccine should only be given in a hospital setting where immediate treatment is available if it has a reaction. No matter how many people would be in that situation is immaterial. No immediate treatment is available - no vaccine. I had read your previous posts and I should have inserted this paragraph in my original post but I thought it was too long anyway. My apologies if the post came across as having belittled your personal worries. OS.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 9, 2020 20:04:12 GMT
This seems like a perfectly logical question to me.
As it stands, if NHS staff start to show Covid symptoms, then they will get tested and if found positive, then they will self isolate so as not to infect vulnerable patients.
It makes perfect sense.
However, now that we are vaccinating NHS staff, isn't there a danger that they could become infected but as a result of the vaccination they will not become ill or display symptoms and won't even be aware they're carrying it and in a worst case scenario, they could actually be shedding the virus all over the hospital they are working in?
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Post by starkiller on Dec 9, 2020 20:08:02 GMT
All this stuff about the vaccine side-effects will worry some people so they may not have the jab. At this point we have little information on what they might be, but to put it into some kind of perspective, here's the side effects of Ibuprofen. Side effects requiring immediate medical attention Along with its needed effects, ibuprofen may cause some unwanted effects. Although not all of these side effects may occur, if they do occur they may need medical attention. Check with your doctor immediately if any of the following side effects occur while taking ibuprofen: More common Abdominal pain acid or sour stomach belching bloating cloudy urine decrease in amount of urine decrease in urine output or decrease in urine-concentrating ability diarrhea difficulty having a bowel movement (stool) excess air or gas in stomach or intestines full feeling heartburn indigestion itching skin pain or discomfort in chest, upper stomach, or throat pale skin passing gas nausea noisy, rattling breathing rash with flat lesions or small raised lesions on the skin shortness of breath swelling of face, fingers, hands, feet, lower legs, or ankles troubled breathing at rest troubled breathing with exertion unusual bleeding or bruising unusual tiredness or weakness vomiting weight gain Less common Abdominal cramps stomach soreness or discomfort Rare Agitation back, leg, or stomach pains bleeding gums blistering, peeling, loosening of skin blood in urine or stools bloody, black, or tarry stools blurred vision burning feeling in chest or stomach change in vision chest pain chills clay-colored stools coma confusion constipation cough or hoarseness dark urine decreased urine output depression difficulty breathing difficulty swallowing dilated neck veins dizziness dry mouth extreme fatigue fast, irregular, pounding, or racing heartbeat or pulse fever with or without chills frequent urination general body swelling general feeling of tiredness or weakness hair loss, thinning of hair headache hives or welts hostility impaired vision increased blood pressure increased volume of pale, dilute urine irregular breathing irritability itching joint or muscle pain lab results that show problems with liver lethargy light-colored stools loss of appetite lower back or side pain muscle twitching nosebleeds painful or difficult urination pains in stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back pinpoint red spots on skin puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue rash red skin lesions, often with a purple center red, irritated eyes redness of skin seizures severe abdominal pain, cramping, burning severe and continuing nausea sore throat sores, ulcers, or white spots in mouth or on lips stiff neck or back stomach upset stupor swollen or painful glands tenderness in stomach area thirst tightness in chest unpleasant breath odor upper right abdominal pain vomiting of blood vomiting of material that looks like coffee grounds wheezing yellow eyes and skin Symptoms of overdose Bluish lips or skin difficulty sleeping disorientation dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up from a lying or sitting position suddenly drowsiness to profound coma hallucination lightheadedness or fainting mood or other mental changes muscle tremors not breathing rapid, deep breathing restlessness slow or irregular heartbeat stomach cramps sudden fainting sweating Side effects not requiring immediate medical attention Some side effects of ibuprofen may occur that usually do not need medical attention. These side effects may go away during treatment as your body adjusts to the medicine. Also, your health care professional may be able to tell you about ways to prevent or reduce some of these side effects. Check with your health care professional if any of the following side effects continue or are bothersome or if you have any questions about them: More common Continuing ringing or buzzing or other unexplained noise in ears hearing loss nervousness Rare Crying depersonalization discouragement dry eyes dysphoria euphoria feeling sad or empty lack of appetite loss of interest or pleasure mental depression paranoia quick to react or overreact rapidly changing moods runny nose sleepiness or unusual drowsiness sleeplessness sneezing stuffy nose trouble concentrating trouble sleeping unable to sleep OS. You can simply stop taking ibuprofen. The effects of a vaccine will remain in you for decades. They haven't a clue what this will do in the medium to long-term. Or even the interactions with other taken medication.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 9, 2020 20:51:24 GMT
This seems like a perfectly logical question to me. As it stands, if NHS staff start to show Covid symptoms, then they will get tested and if found positive, then they will self isolate so as not to infect vulnerable patients. It makes perfect sense. However, now that we are vaccinating NHS staff, isn't there a danger that they could become infected but as a result of the vaccination they will not become ill or display symptoms and won't even be aware they're carrying it and in a worst case scenario, they could actually be shedding the virus all over the hospital they are working in? I thought Ivor Cummins was twitting recently that asymptomatic spread was 'not a thing' (based on tests in Wuhan?) Therefore if the vaccine makes you asymptomatic presumably it also makes you a non-spreader?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 9, 2020 21:10:00 GMT
This seems like a perfectly logical question to me. As it stands, if NHS staff start to show Covid symptoms, then they will get tested and if found positive, then they will self isolate so as not to infect vulnerable patients. It makes perfect sense. However, now that we are vaccinating NHS staff, isn't there a danger that they could become infected but as a result of the vaccination they will not become ill or display symptoms and won't even be aware they're carrying it and in a worst case scenario, they could actually be shedding the virus all over the hospital they are working in? I thought Ivor Cummins was twitting recently that asymptomatic spread was 'not a thing' (based on tests in Wuhan?) Therefore if the vaccine makes you asymptomatic presumably it also makes you a non-spreader? I'm not following your point? The whole point of lockdowns is to stop asymptomatic spread of the virus. SAGE and the Government obviously think it's (at least potentially) 'a thing' and they are the ones dictating policy on who should be vaccinated first.
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Post by Davef on Dec 9, 2020 21:40:38 GMT
A very good thread by pathologist Dr Clare Craig, who says that evidence of asymptomatic spread from anywhere outside China is wafer thin. China, of course, who released images of people dropping dead instantly of the virus in the streets. threadreaderapp.com/thread/1336707467233865741.html
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 9, 2020 21:51:04 GMT
A very good thread by pathologist Dr Clare Craig, who says that evidence of asymptomatic spread from anywhere outside China is wafer thin. China, of course, who released images of people dropping dead instantly of the virus in the streets. threadreaderapp.com/thread/1336707467233865741.htmlDave I know we don’t often agree but genuine question not challenge wouldn’t that push us towards mass vaccination as post vaccine you can’t transmit either .
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Post by andystokey on Dec 9, 2020 21:58:34 GMT
Not really a full on science experiment but I thought I'd share.
A friend of mines wife works at Royal Stoke and has been given a box of these lateral flow tests to take home. She has to self test regularly with these things before starting shifts.
So she does and the first time positive, work says come in if you feel ok and have a "proper" test. She tests negative. This has happened now on three seperate occasions over the last few weeks and hasn't returned a positive with a lab test at work.
Two points 1. how many false positives are these things turning up elsewhere? 2. If the hospital says come in and get, if asymptomatic, I assume they must rarely believe them.
They sound useless apart from to indicate you might be positive.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 9, 2020 22:43:30 GMT
"More than 10,000 people acquired coronavirus when they were being treated in hospital for other illnesses, The Telegraph can disclose.
Analysis of statistical data shows that thousands of patients who had been admitted to hospitals across England caught the potentially deadly virus during their stay, with one NHS Trust recording that nearly four out of every ten Covid-19 cases they were treating had been acquired in its hospitals."
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Post by Gods on Dec 9, 2020 22:52:13 GMT
The virus is ripping in London again now. Over half of the top 50 infection rates are in London districts. Several hospital leaders on the local news just now saying they expect their hospitals to be harry-ram-rammed by Xmas week. Sadly it sounds like Tier 3 will be announced for London this time next week
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Post by mutters on Dec 9, 2020 23:30:45 GMT
The virus is ripping in London again now. Over half of the top 50 infection rates are in London districts. Several hospital leaders on the local news just now saying they expect their hospitals to be harry-ram-rammed by Xmas week. Sadly it sounds like Tier 3 will be announced for London this time next week You can bet they will do anything to ensure it isn't or alternatively they amend the guidance so they can carry as before Wasn't the reason they were not put into tier 3 previously, was that Boris said it would cost 500K jobs and he didnt want that
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 9, 2020 23:48:27 GMT
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Post by Jimmyg on Dec 9, 2020 23:59:26 GMT
You can simply stop taking ibuprofen.
The effects of a vaccine will remain in you for decades.
They haven't a clue what this will do in the medium to long-term.
Or even the interactions with other taken medication.
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You can bet your bottom dollar they know what's in the vaccines and what the long term effects will be. I'm sure they already have drugs lined up to repress the side effects /complications.. Its a business so they will want to drag this out for as long as possible,similar to the cancer scam which they still claim to have no "cure" for.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 10, 2020 0:57:05 GMT
It’s been scaremongering shot since post two of this thread Yeah a million odd deaths is scaremongering. Did they really die from this? How many times has information such as this been presented? It's now nearly Christmas. And the biggest believers in the zombie film narrative are the ones with their heads still in February. The tv media has done its job. acting like Comical Ali, by continually staying on script and whistling more loudly with fingers in both ears, as the narrative crumbles around them. Simply ignoring months and months of crucial counter information, which undermines their story, as though it simply doesn't exist.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 10, 2020 1:39:39 GMT
The virus is ripping in London again now. Over half of the top 50 infection rates are in London districts. Several hospital leaders on the local news just now saying they expect their hospitals to be harry-ram-rammed by Xmas week. Sadly it sounds like Tier 3 will be announced for London this time next week With all the immunity down there from last time this can't possibly happen.
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 10, 2020 6:35:35 GMT
The virus is ripping in London again now. Over half of the top 50 infection rates are in London districts. Several hospital leaders on the local news just now saying they expect their hospitals to be harry-ram-rammed by Xmas week. Sadly it sounds like Tier 3 will be announced for London this time next week With all the immunity down there from last time this can't possibly happen. No doubt there'll be a graph or a Youtube video from another 'expert' to explain it all away very soon.
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Dec 10, 2020 7:59:12 GMT
Does anyone know what a LAMP test is? Canary Islands are accepting antigen rapid tests from today but cannot see this available anywhere?
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Post by Northy on Dec 10, 2020 8:05:48 GMT
Does anyone know what a LAMP test is? Canary Islands are accepting antigen rapid tests from today but cannot see this available anywhere? It's where somebody hits you hard, if you are well enough to get up then you haven't got covid
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Post by Northy on Dec 10, 2020 8:09:10 GMT
London, the east and the south east all rising now then?
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Post by Northy on Dec 10, 2020 8:09:55 GMT
Does anyone know what a LAMP test is? Canary Islands are accepting antigen rapid tests from today but cannot see this available anywhere? Manchester Airport were setting up one, check their website
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