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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 6, 2020 21:27:35 GMT
How many deaths would you say constitutes a global pandemic. ? Strange pandemic when the vast majority of people who contract the disease don’t even know they have it. m I’m not sure that applies to the 60,000 dead and their families or the jumbo jet full dying every day
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 6, 2020 21:29:56 GMT
Strange pandemic when the vast majority of people who contract the disease don’t even know they have it. m I’m not sure that applies to the 60,000 dead and their families or the jumbo jet full dying every day It definitely doesn’t what would you call the flu, a demi pandemic !! It’s a deadly disease that can be fatal in certain sectors of society.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 6, 2020 21:44:13 GMT
m I’m not sure that applies to the 60,000 dead and their families or the jumbo jet full dying every day It definitely doesn’t what would you call the flu, a demi pandemic !! It’s a deadly disease that can be fatal in certain sectors of society. I’ve accepted the medical experts view that it’s far deadlier than flu and constitutes a global pandemic having killed 1million people Plus globally
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 6, 2020 21:47:29 GMT
It definitely doesn’t what would you call the flu, a demi pandemic !! It’s a deadly disease that can be fatal in certain sectors of society. I’ve accepted the medical experts view that it’s far deadlier than flu and constitutes a global pandemic having killed 1million people Plus globally Yes it’s a deadly new disease but I’ll wait to see more data as the figures we’ve been provided with seem to be subjectively presented.
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 6, 2020 21:49:46 GMT
It definitely doesn’t what would you call the flu, a demi pandemic !! It’s a deadly disease that can be fatal in certain sectors of society. I’ve accepted the medical experts view that it’s far deadlier than flu and constitutes a global pandemic having killed 1million people Plus globally 1.53 and rising.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 6, 2020 21:51:47 GMT
I’ve accepted the medical experts view that it’s far deadlier than flu and constitutes a global pandemic having killed 1million people Plus globally Yes it’s a deadly new disease but I’ll wait to see more data as the figures we’ve been provided with seem to be subjectively presented. That’s fair enough each to their own for me I’ve seen enough data if it’s wrong by 20% and overstated and it could be under tie stolen goof to be 70,000 deaths in the uk by the end of the winter and 1m plus world wide
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 6, 2020 21:56:15 GMT
Yes it’s a deadly new disease but I’ll wait to see more data as the figures we’ve been provided with seem to be subjectively presented. That’s fair enough each to their own for me I’ve seen enough data if it’s wrong by 20% and overstated and it could be under tie stolen goof to be 70,000 deaths in the uk by the end of the winter and 1m plus world wide And I’m worried by the devastation that the lockdowns will have in other areas of health especially mental health which I have had the misfortune to evidence for myself. In the fullness of time we may look back and say we made the wrong decision As you say each to their own, no matter which way a government went they couldn’t win My concern with this lot is that they don’t seem to have any compunction outright lying
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 6, 2020 22:19:59 GMT
They need a fucking water cannon blasting at them. Stupid, selfish bastards. You’ve lost the plot The pro lockdown mob can't stand people going about their lives having fun. They are a particularly distasteful, disturbing and dislikeable bunch.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Dec 6, 2020 22:33:31 GMT
That’s fair enough each to their own for me I’ve seen enough data if it’s wrong by 20% and overstated and it could be under tie stolen goof to be 70,000 deaths in the uk by the end of the winter and 1m plus world wide And I’m worried by the devastation that the lockdowns will have in other areas of health especially mental health which I have had the misfortune to evidence for myself. In the fullness of time we may look back and say we made the wrong decision As you say each to their own, no matter which way a government went they couldn’t win My concern with this lot is that they don’t seem to have any compunction outright lying Agree on the government they have never had a clear and decisive plan and have made some serious basic errors over promising and back tracking , failure to acknowledge mistakes , having a clear and decisive plan .
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Post by Gods on Dec 6, 2020 22:47:10 GMT
Former New York Mayor and lawyer leading the attempt to overturn Trump's election defeat Rudi Giuliani has tested positive for Covid.
One would imagine he must be at high risk of complications given his age and just looking at the rather shambolic state of him.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 6, 2020 23:16:13 GMT
The pro lockdown mob can't stand people going about their lives having fun. They are a particularly distasteful, disturbing and dislikeable budnch. You really have got issues.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 6, 2020 23:20:44 GMT
The pro lockdown mob can't stand people going about their lives having fun. They are a particularly distasteful, disturbing and dislikeable budnch. What the fuck is wrong with you? No - what the fuck is wrong with you.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 6, 2020 23:22:07 GMT
What the fuck is wrong with you? No - what the fuck is wrong with you. Why do you have to use stereotypes all the time? You really are a nasty piece of work.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 6, 2020 23:26:43 GMT
The pro lockdown mob can't stand people going about their lives having fun. They are a particularly distasteful, disturbing and dislikeable budnch. You really have got issues. Coming from a guy who day after day for months on end comes on here telling people they should shut themselves away and declares anyone who challenges your pro lockdown stance as evil. Your warped views on this are as wayward as your cringey transfer rumours. Anyone would think you've got zero concept of what this lockdown is doing to people's businesses, lives and livelihoods.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 6, 2020 23:27:14 GMT
No - what the fuck is wrong with you. Why do you have to use stereotypes all the time? You really are a nasty piece of work. Wow. You've really lost it.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 6, 2020 23:29:44 GMT
Since when has shopping being a mindless action? Jesus wept. Fuck me! This what we have become isn't it. Arguing about the right to go shopping when the shops are open, will we ever be normal again? Yep all pretty worrying stuff isn't it. So now those who go shopping within the rules are being declared "selfish bastards". When will the madness end?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Dec 6, 2020 23:36:44 GMT
Why do you have to use stereotypes all the time? You really are a nasty piece of work. Wow. You've really lost it. Well what do you expect when you go labelling people 'distasteful, disturbing and dislikeable' just because they are trying up do the right thing. There's nobody who dislikes this whole lockdown business more than me. I've lost a fortune this year on cancelled holidays, gigs etc. I was made redundant so I know all about it BUT my parents are very vulnerable and if they caught this like a lot of other people's parents they have a very high chance of dying. Fuck money, fuck not being able to go out and get pissed with my mates for a few months. You're the disturbed one.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 6, 2020 23:43:11 GMT
Wow. You've really lost it. Well what do you expect when you go labelling people 'distasteful, disturbing and dislikeable' just because they are trying up do the right thing. There's nobody who dislikes this whole lockdown business more than me. I've lost a fortune this year on cancelled holidays, gigs etc. I was made redundant so I know all about it BUT my parents are very vulnerable and if they caught this like a lot of other people's parents they have a very high chance of dying. Fuck money, fuck not being able to go out and get pissed with my mates for a few months. You're the disturbed one. I'm sorry but you can't justify attacking people with verbal insults for fucking shopping! Can't you see how utterly ridiculous this is getting?
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Post by andystokey on Dec 6, 2020 23:45:35 GMT
Well what do you expect when you go labelling people 'distasteful, disturbing and dislikeable' just because they are trying up do the right thing. There's nobody who dislikes this whole lockdown business more than me. I've lost a fortune this year on cancelled holidays, gigs etc. I was made redundant so I know all about it BUT my parents are very vulnerable and if they caught this like a lot of other people's parents they have a very high chance of dying. Fuck money, fuck not being able to go out and get pissed with my mates for a few months. You're the disturbed one. I'm sorry but you can't justify attacking people with verbal insults for fucking shopping! Can't you see how utterly ridiculous this is getting? Maybe we could have a ballot to see who goes, or alphabetically by surname each day.
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Post by bgreen13 on Dec 7, 2020 2:28:51 GMT
No - what the fuck is wrong with you. Why do you have to use stereotypes all the time? You really are a nasty piece of work. Why are you so angry all the time?
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Post by musik on Dec 7, 2020 6:36:10 GMT
FOOS*, what's wrong?
(*:for our own sake)
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Post by musik on Dec 7, 2020 6:49:52 GMT
The 3rd wave reaches Sweden after New Year they say now. Since the 2nd wave won't decrease until a couple of weeks from now, the waves must overlap each other.
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Post by musik on Dec 7, 2020 8:03:08 GMT
Latest
45% of the population in Sweden want to be vaccinated. This can still change.
Thomas Wallén, primary health care boss for Västra Götaland (west side) says it will be a huge task if it shows a large part of the population wants to be vaccinated. Reading between the lines it almost seems they're satisfied with 45%, and have no idea what to do otherwise.
The Health Care sector had to handle two problems when Corona started: 1) The Corona pandemic 2) Other diseases and injuries
They managed number 1, but failed number 2, for instance 120000 canceled operation until August (and a prediction of 200000 before 2021, due to the second wave). However, between August to November they performed 30000 of those on the waiting list, so down to 90000, but that number is rising now in November-December again on the waiting list. And they are struggling considerably. When it comes to certain orthopedic operations on the midwest side of Sweden (Västra Götaland), there are only 1-4 surgeons with the required qualification.
Now they face:
1) Corona pandemic 2) Other diseases and injuries 3) Vaccination
It smells panic. I wonder what the waiting list looks like in Easter time.
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Post by Northy on Dec 7, 2020 8:18:31 GMT
Former New York Mayor and lawyer leading the attempt to overturn Trump's election defeat Rudi Giuliani has tested positive for Covid. One would imagine he must be at high risk of complications given his age and just looking at the rather shambolic state of him. Definitely. I wonder if he'll keep having his hair dyed when in hospital
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Post by adri2008 on Dec 7, 2020 9:54:54 GMT
Crowds of people are inevitable unless a full lock down is in place. It's winter and people have bugger all to do so they'll congregate in the limited areas that they can. Better its outdoors than the other option which is sneaking people inside homes instead.
Alot of these Tier 3 regions should be dropping into Tier 2 on the 16th - certainly my Sheffield/North East Derbyshire region has plummeted since the end of October. Whether the government would want to encourage more mixing before the inevitable Christmas frenzy is another matter of course but I don't see how they are going to be able to justify not lowering the tiers for large swathes of the country.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Dec 7, 2020 10:12:59 GMT
Crowds of people are inevitable unless a full lock down is in place. It's winter and people have bugger all to do so they'll congregate in the limited areas that they can. Better its outdoors than the other option which is sneaking people inside homes instead. Alot of these Tier 3 regions should be dropping into Tier 2 on the 16th - certainly my Sheffield/North East Derbyshire region has plummeted since the end of October. Whether the government would want to encourage more mixing before the inevitable Christmas frenzy is another matter of course but I don't see how they are going to be able to justify not lowering the tiers for large swathes of the country. Locally for me it's being reported that on the 2nd when we went into tier 3 our whole region had a lower rate than London. I've not checked the article but it's slightly surprising. I think it would be massively beneficial if they came up with a scoring system rather than making it up as they go along. It's not just a political thing it could well help by increasing compliance. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/revealed-covid-19-infection-rates-19410893
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Post by adri2008 on Dec 7, 2020 10:30:09 GMT
Crowds of people are inevitable unless a full lock down is in place. It's winter and people have bugger all to do so they'll congregate in the limited areas that they can. Better its outdoors than the other option which is sneaking people inside homes instead. Alot of these Tier 3 regions should be dropping into Tier 2 on the 16th - certainly my Sheffield/North East Derbyshire region has plummeted since the end of October. Whether the government would want to encourage more mixing before the inevitable Christmas frenzy is another matter of course but I don't see how they are going to be able to justify not lowering the tiers for large swathes of the country. Locally for me it's being reported that on the 2nd when we went into tier 3 our whole region had a lower rate than London. I've not checked the article but it's slightly surprising. I think it would be massively beneficial if they came up with a scoring system rather than making it up as they go along. It's not just a political thing it could well help by increasing compliance. www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/revealed-covid-19-infection-rates-19410893The government are definitely part of the problem. Zero transparency, blatant lies and selective use of the information don't help get the population onside. If they are basing it heavily on NHS bed occupancy then the entire country will be in tier 3 until March/April as beds are always near capacity at this time of year.
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Post by starkiller on Dec 7, 2020 10:44:59 GMT
Strange pandemic when the vast majority of people who contract the disease don’t even know they have it. m I’m not sure that applies to the 60,000 dead and their families or the jumbo jet full dying every day But not of covid19. Why do you accept stats that have been shown time and time again to be manipulated and inflated, using numerous methods? This information is readily available and reported. There's no excuse. And the question remains, 'Why does a deadly pandemic require this manipulation and a PR campaign?'
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Dec 7, 2020 11:29:01 GMT
What the fuck is wrong with you? No - what the fuck is wrong with you. Strikes me that any one person's view of the pandemic will be shaped by personal experiences. If you're like that poor bloke on the coaching staff at Gloucester Rugby who lost both his Mum and his sister then it's understandably it's a crisis. If you're young and fit and so are your parents then it's 'what's all the fuss about?' The answer is - of course - somewhere between the two. Instead of acknowledging that it's too often the case that if you can't see someone else's point of view they're either thick or selfish or both. I really do sometimes think that the aspiration of getting the internet into every home was not necessarily a good thing and that making accessible by phone was truly a step to far. It's certainly divided society far more than it ever should.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 7, 2020 11:34:06 GMT
No - what the fuck is wrong with you. Strikes me that any one person's view of the pandemic will be shaped by personal experiences. If you're like that poor bloke on the coaching staff at Gloucester Rugby who lost both his Mum and his sister then it's understandably it's a crisis. If you're young and fit and so are your parents then it's 'what's all the fuss about?' The answer is - of course - somewhere between the two. Instead of acknowledging that it's too often the case that if you can't see someone else's point of view they're either thick or selfish or both. I really do sometimes think that the aspiration of getting the internet into every home was not necessarily a good thing and that making accessible by phone was truly a step to far. It's certainly divided society far more than it ever should. As a society we've gotten more selfish and less empathetic and it's fully showing. The whole underlying causes thing being a case in point. Callous as fuck.
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