The mistaken pathology of this virus will be a huge story after this is all over. It will be a classic case study in how not to misread and act on the results of data.
Paul well just have to disagree your of a different view but mine is hard lock lockdowns minimise death and that’s the priority regardless until. The vaccine
Lockdowns are killing, have killed, and will kill more under 75s than Covid 19.
Good luck.
That’s both selective and unproven but let’s say your right the alternative is to kill approaching 100,000 over that age group in 12 months so it’s not about luck it’s about saving lives , based on science and making the least horrible choice
Ireland are mental. They're now "asking" their citizens to wear masks outside, albeit in crowded streets. If there are any any crowded streets these days.
The Oxford vaccine costs a fraction of the other two and can be stored in ordinary refrigeration.
Your suggestion makes absolutely perfect sense, give the one(s) that work best in the elderly TO the elderly and the one (Oxford) that doesn't, to the under 55's.
But don't forget the Government wanted to stick the Union Jack on the Oxford vaccine, politically it won't be a good look to have created something that's much less effective than the Yank one and at the end of the day, only 50% efficacy was required in the first place anyway. The Government have put a lot of political capital into the Oxford vaccine and I'm not sure they're too bothered about waiting around to see if the new trial will be a success, I hope I'm wrong.
Great post Paul. But something in my water says that this shower will prove your last sentence to be right. One of the problems now is that the Oxford people will have to go through all the stages of efficy testing with a half dose and a full dose in the elderly (it was only done this way with younger people) before they will know how it works on them. That could take months.
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Why do they have to test the half dose in the elderly before applying for approval for any age group? Why can't they get approval for <55 and start vaccinating <55, and in the meantime continue to test different doses in 55+? I don't see why they have to finish testing in 55+ before distributing to <55. By vaccinating <55, you protect people 55+ from unknowing spread by <55 people.
In terms of politics, surely it looks much better politically if you get the virus under control through an effective vaccination program.
Didn't look like there was many pensioners there to me, just the usual anarchist types.
Lots of oldies and businessmen. This is normal, hard working, decent people begging for their freedom and to not have their livelihoods destroyed by absurd lockdowns. Of course there's the odd green haired "anti capitalist" anorak but they are a minority.
This infuriates me so much, as someone who endured years of abuse at home. It reminds me of pro-gun people here in the United States. Yes, it's the people who kill others, but guns make it a hell of a lot easier to kill.
Lots of oldies and businessmen. This is normal, hard working, decent people begging for their freedom and to not have their livelihoods destroyed by absurd lockdowns. Of course there's the odd green haired "anti capitalist" anorak but they are a minority.
Why do they have to test the half dose in the elderly before applying for approval for any age group? Why can't they get approval for <55 and start vaccinating <55, and in the meantime continue to test different doses in 55+? I don't see why they have to finish testing in 55+ before distributing to <55. By vaccinating <55, you protect people 55+ from unknowing spread by <55 people.
Can't you see why? It's very very very simple! Age discrimination as always. And it makes me think of Adolf Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Josef Stalin and all the rest.
They want to sacrifice the old first. It's very simple really.
If there are really serious side effects from all the different kind of nerve poison et cetera included in the shots, how would it look like if the young were in the front line, when they want to make sure not too many get seriously ill.
Btw, read an article today by one of our most famous reporters, and he said the swedes differs once again from the rest of Europe. And this time it's about how they see the new vaccine against covid-19. While the rest of Europe are positive and want to start asap, even next month (Great Britain and France), Sweden want to delay things. The autumn of 2021 for the most of us, or even in January 2021, were the latest bids now.
I don't know who this Habib guy who wrote this article is or if he has a special agenda, but I must say I found it interesting too. Some of it were correct and some not.
I was surprised it was published Nov 27th and he speaks of a low current death rate of 3 on average? We've been over 50-60 recently and these last two weeks have been the worst ever regarding the Corona pandemic, when it comes to new infected covid-19 patients.
And unfortunately, they have NOT learned when it comes to the elderly here. They are yet again infected in what should be their safest place to be, in their own room at the home for the elderly. History repeats itself.
It's possible that Norway and Denmark and Sweden meet somewhere in the middle at some point with a strategy yes - but it would mean Sweden has to be a bit tougher.
Notice, I'm not against the ideal of a voluntary strategy with recommendations about social distancing, good hygiene and wearing face masks - the problem is when people forget about it.
Why do they have to test the half dose in the elderly before applying for approval for any age group? Why can't they get approval for <55 and start vaccinating <55, and in the meantime continue to test different doses in 55+? I don't see why they have to finish testing in 55+ before distributing to <55. By vaccinating <55, you protect people 55+ from unknowing spread by <55 people.
Can't you see why? It's very very very simple! Age discrimination as always. And it makes me think of Adolf Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Josef Stalin and all the rest.
They want to sacrifice the old first. It's very simple really.
If there are really serious side effects from all the different kind of nerve poison et cetera included in the shots, how would it look like if the young were in the front line, when they want to make sure not too many get seriously ill.
This doesn't really make sense. By not vaccinating younger people at the first opportunity, you're sacrificing even more older people because older people are the main victims of inadvertent spread by younger people. And there is no nerve poison in the vaccine.
Let's stop the misinformation and start to return to day to day normality
Scrap the tier system today and focus on protecting the elderly and at risk
Without a vaccine, there really isn't a simple way to protect older and/or medically vulnerable people while letting young healthy people run amok. Older and more vulnerable people rely on younger healthy people.
This doesn't really make sense. By not vaccinating younger people at the first opportunity, you're sacrificing even more older people because older people are the main victims of inadvertent spread by younger people. And there is no nerve poison in the vaccine.
Without a vaccine, there really isn't a simple way to protect older and/or medically vulnerable people while letting young healthy people run amok. Older and more vulnerable people rely on younger healthy people.
That would be sensational!!! 😮 Everybody up here thinks there are destroying nervous system components involved in this vaccine as it almost always is, from what I've heard.
The risk of getting seriously sick or worse is probably very low though, and we should remember that. It's a question of dosage and of sensitivity.
You can even actually die of too much liquorice or beetroots during one hour.
But FHM doesn't deny the existence of those components. And that's probably why they suggest old people first - as lab rats.
But I agree with you - if the vaccine is ok, they could might as well start with the younger.
The interest of getting the vaccination injections in Sweden is surprisingly low. 45%, and among the youngest - haven't seen any figures but never heard anyone wanting it.
But I do agree the vaccination is probably a must to press back Corona in the nearest future (1-5 years from now) in Europe.
Do you really trust these bastards to give you normality back?
Life may well get back to normal at some point, but there's a pretty long road ahead and I wouldn't trust anybody in power to do right by the people they're supposed to represent.
It's just three weeks to protect the NHS, Dave.
And not to forget it's just a mild disease in most people and most of us are likely to get it.
The mistaken pathology of this virus will be a huge story after this is all over. It will be a classic case study in how not to misread and act on the results of data.
And there will be a shit load of "we just didn't know" platitudes from people who either did know or should have known. Just as "we didn't know" there weren't WMD in Iraq. Maybe there will be an inquiry but nothing will happen because proof will be hard to come by and pure incompetence will be defence enough.
Check out the story on the far right ( not a pun) The 77th brigade have been tasked with rooting out anti Vax messages. They are recruiting reservists ahead of the vaccine rollout.
"Ministers will then launch a huge public campaign to encourage people to get a jab.
"The campaign will be reinforced by counter-disinformation efforts led by the Cabinet Office, with support from the army and GCHQ.
"Last night, army Brig (Retd) Ben Barry of the International Institute for Strategic Studies said the army would probably become increasingly important in countering Covid-19 disinformation. A core part of its work was analysing how messages flowed around the world, who was viewing messages, reacting and then spreading them to other people.
He said: "I said this on a podcast months ago: 'If only coronavirus would kill all the stupid people.'
Yes we really should take someone like this seriously
A quick Google search of this guy shows that he's a fantasist and possible fraudster. Yet he's given a platform spouting absolute shit in a national newspaper. Crazy.
Yes we really should take someone like this seriously
A quick Google search of this guy shows that he's a fantasist and possible fraudster. Yet he's given a platform spouting absolute shit in a national newspaper. Crazy.
Yes we really should take someone like this seriously
A quick Google search of this guy shows that he's a fantasist and possible fraudster. Yet he's given a platform spouting absolute shit in a national newspaper. Crazy.
"I am not a virologist or an immunologist but at the end of the day I am a scientist who is very passionate about empirical evidence.
"I am astute and I am unconventional.
Let's hope this kind of misinformation is equally vilified and ridiculed by the same people that are shutting down debate to the contrary.
More chance of him being their poster boy. What a plum.
Yes he looks like a fraudster - but it's a bit rich coming from the bloke who put forward stuff from the AIER and has quoted virtually every other poster boy from the self promoting anti lockdown brigade as gospel.
Having become enlightened to the dubious reliability of social media for information about something as complex as a pandemic are you going to be more circumspect about posting stuff that happens to coincide with what you have already decided to be true?