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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 25, 2020 17:25:00 GMT
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Post by Northy on Nov 25, 2020 17:31:06 GMT
What are the lines, as I said about a month ago, (around the 18th - 20th October) there were 700 per 100,000, and last week it was 275, that doesn't correlate with the graph. I said the testing stopped it keeping the numbers high, you lock away nearly 1000 cases, they aren't going to infect other people who won't infect other people, stopping a rising r rate ? The lines are the 7 day rolling average for the number of cases. Liverpool's peak was on the 8th of October (virtually) a month before mass testing even began and had fallen dramatically before that point. The R rate wasn't rising, it was going down and as Dave has said above, there are well respected medical journals publishing papers, questioning if asymptomatic 'cases' drive the spread anyway. Maybe this graph is clearer. ![](https://i.ibb.co/wQ8WsWQ/Enmk0-Oc-W4-AQSl-Xr.png) "In all the history of respiratory-borne viruses of any type, asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks. The driver of outbreaks is ALWAYS a symptomatic person." I see, you've got Liverpool city I was thinking of merseyside as I border halton and Wirral, but probably said Liverpool. Some areas were still rising as they went into tier 3 Attachment DeletedIt may not be the driver, but doesn't mean it can't be transmitted Some people on here think this CV19 is a farce and quote the lancet, This is from that link on the lancet, dated 1st November. 1 . Introduction The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic has claimed the lives of 0.86 million till date [1]. The rapidly spreading disease poses a serious threat to human life. Operative strategies to prevent the spread of disease have been implemented by the medical community along with policy makers and leaders [2]. However, identifying the large population of asymptomatic carriers has become a daunting challengeIdentifying and isolating asymptomatic patients is critical for preventing the rapid spread of COVID-19. Considering the reports of smell dysfunctions and their predictability [21,22], we hypothesized that a multitude of olfactory dysfunctions could occur in asymptomatic carriers
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 25, 2020 17:46:11 GMT
The lines are the 7 day rolling average for the number of cases. Liverpool's peak was on the 8th of October (virtually) a month before mass testing even began and had fallen dramatically before that point. The R rate wasn't rising, it was going down and as Dave has said above, there are well respected medical journals publishing papers, questioning if asymptomatic 'cases' drive the spread anyway. Maybe this graph is clearer. ![](https://i.ibb.co/wQ8WsWQ/Enmk0-Oc-W4-AQSl-Xr.png) "In all the history of respiratory-borne viruses of any type, asymptomatic transmission has never been the driver of outbreaks. The driver of outbreaks is ALWAYS a symptomatic person." I see, you've got Liverpool city I was thinking of merseyside as I border halton and Wirral, but probably said Liverpool. Some areas were still rising as they went into tier 3 View AttachmentIt may not be the driver, but doesn't mean it can't be transmitted Some people on here think this CV19 is a farce and quote the lancet, This is from that link on the lancet, dated 1st November. 1 . Introduction The coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) pandemic has claimed the lives of 0.86 million till date [1]. The rapidly spreading disease poses a serious threat to human life. Operative strategies to prevent the spread of disease have been implemented by the medical community along with policy makers and leaders [2]. However, identifying the large population of asymptomatic carriers has become a daunting challengeIdentifying and isolating asymptomatic patients is critical for preventing the rapid spread of COVID-19. Considering the reports of smell dysfunctions and their predictability [21,22], we hypothesized that a multitude of olfactory dysfunctions could occur in asymptomatic carriers
I'm not saying that it doesn't, I'm saying that the jury is still clearly out on it. But back to the main point of discussion ... I assume that you're now accepting that mass testing wasn't in fact responsible for bringing down the high number of cases in Liverpool?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 25, 2020 18:07:46 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 25, 2020 18:10:06 GMT
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Post by Gods on Nov 25, 2020 18:28:48 GMT
Jeepers creepers, Wave 2 is proving to be some 'casedemic', we'll be north of 60,000 deaths this time next week and through 70k by the turn of the year.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Nov 25, 2020 18:31:30 GMT
So GDP has dropped more this year than any since the beginning of the 18th century.
Can any pro lockdown nutjob on here tell me why lockdown was a good idea? It's literally about to drop a nuclear bomb on the country.
I hope you utter clowns realise what you've just supported. Quote from Sky news (and this is the wokest mainstream outlet in the UK right now along with the guardian) "we have never seen anything like this in war time, let alone peace time".
And that's just the economic and unemployment crisis facing us. In addition to that you've got a mental health pandemic simmering along with enormous wider health issues and widespread discontent like we've not seen in decades.
You fucking idiots.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 25, 2020 18:33:38 GMT
I think it's safe to now call this a trend in the East and West midlands. ![](https://i.ibb.co/bzL9K18/Ens-Cr0-XYAIEYb2.png)
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Post by andystokey on Nov 25, 2020 18:41:31 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 25, 2020 18:44:45 GMT
Jeepers creepers, Wave 2 is proving to be some 'casedemic', we'll be north of 60,000 deaths this time next week and through 70k by the turn of the year. As you know mate, these deaths are already baked in from cases prior to the lockdown beginning but there is positive figures in the data. The 7 day rolling average for hospital admissions has fallen for the first time since the summer, the 7 day rolling average for the rate of increase for deaths has been falling continuously for the last 6 weeks and had it's smallest rise (7%) this week, let's keep our fingers crossed that the stats continue to move in the right direction.
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Post by Davef on Nov 25, 2020 18:48:41 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Nov 25, 2020 19:00:48 GMT
Jeepers creepers, Wave 2 is proving to be some 'casedemic', we'll be north of 60,000 deaths this time next week and through 70k by the turn of the year. As you know mate, these deaths are already baked in from cases prior to the lockdown beginning but there is positive figures in the data. The 7 day rolling average for hospital admissions has fallen for the first time since the summer, the 7 day rolling average for the rate of increase for deaths has been falling continuously for the last 6 weeks had it's smallest rise (7%) this week, let's keep our fingers crossed that the stats continue to move in the right direction. There were on average 1750 deaths per day last week. Currently we are running at about 275 excess deaths per day above the 5 year average.
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Post by sneydgreenstokie1 on Nov 25, 2020 19:38:51 GMT
My point is there are only around 3200 people in Cellarhead, which is a very spread out cumunity how on earth is it a hot-spot? And its not as if we are living in each others pockets... I haven't seen any neighbours to speak to in about 4-5 weeks at the least because that's what it's like up here so I will ask again how are these rural villages becoming hotspots? I certainly think there is something not right about this. You only have to get a couple of families catching it and that will inflate the numbers. Maybe the postman or milkman spread it around, or a door handle at a local shop ? My uncle and Aunt live on cheddleton heath road, in their 80's, 1 with dementia, hopefully locked away for their safety Isn't there a high school in Cellarhead though
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Post by whatsashig on Nov 25, 2020 20:22:02 GMT
The criticism was of the Government, that's spending money not making money, a tax rise for example would be making money in this context. As a nation we are flat broke, and will spend the next 10 years trying to pay down our debt, in that sense we need any further expenditure like a hole in the head. I understand. But the government will always claw it from the public. This is why the NHS will syphon more money into private hands and profit them, regardless of who, what or or how many it treats, and no matter how much it wastes on overpriced infrastructure and treatments. The only thing that it will affect is the standard of service when required by the public who stump up the cash. In essence, it's one big money laundering operation. Once people grasp this then many things make more sense. As a result, sometimes I think it would be better disbanded and only left for life saving treatment. And for the rest, people should pay for what is needed at more competitively priced walk-in private clinics. Only makes sense if you a wee dab of tcp, not a kidney transplant
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Post by swampmongrel on Nov 25, 2020 21:36:16 GMT
well if it's picked up nearly 1000 asymptomatic cases, then that would stop it spreading further and keeping the numbers high, possibly a combination of both. My point is there are only around 3200 people in Cellarhead, which is a very spread out cumunity how on earth is it a hot-spot? And its not as if we are living in each others pockets... I haven't seen any neighbours to speak to in about 4-5 weeks at the least because that's what it's like up here so I will ask again how are these rural villages becoming hotspots? I certainly think there is something not right about this. A lot of ‘dogging’ happens in Cellarhead so it could be that.
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Post by andystokey on Nov 25, 2020 21:51:00 GMT
My point is there are only around 3200 people in Cellarhead, which is a very spread out cumunity how on earth is it a hot-spot? And its not as if we are living in each others pockets... I haven't seen any neighbours to speak to in about 4-5 weeks at the least because that's what it's like up here so I will ask again how are these rural villages becoming hotspots? I certainly think there is something not right about this. A lot of ‘dogging’ happens in Cellarhead so it could be that. That would explain the cum-unity being spread out.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 25, 2020 22:19:57 GMT
How worried by this article in Wired should we be?
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 25, 2020 22:23:10 GMT
My point is there are only around 3200 people in Cellarhead, which is a very spread out cumunity how on earth is it a hot-spot? And its not as if we are living in each others pockets... I haven't seen any neighbours to speak to in about 4-5 weeks at the least because that's what it's like up here so I will ask again how are these rural villages becoming hotspots? I certainly think there is something not right about this. A lot of ‘dogging’ happens in Cellarhead so it could be that. Hope and Anchor and the Ash Bank Hotel had unusually large car parks... It all makes sense now.
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Post by chad on Nov 25, 2020 22:24:47 GMT
How worried by this article in Wired should we be? If you start to worry about all the shit posted on Twitter you might as well pack up For me, and I’m 69, I wouldn’t be worried one jot
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 25, 2020 22:26:56 GMT
How worried by this article in Wired should we be? If you start to worry about all the shit posted on Twitter you might as well pack up For me, and I’m 69, I wouldn’t be worried one jot So you regard EVERYTHING linked to on Twitter as 'shit' Chad?
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 25, 2020 22:28:12 GMT
How worried by this article in Wired should we be? If you start to worry about all the shit posted on Twitter you might as well pack up For me, and I’m 69, I wouldn’t be worried one jot I'm 67 and with you 100%
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 25, 2020 22:30:47 GMT
If you start to worry about all the shit posted on Twitter you might as well pack up For me, and I’m 69, I wouldn’t be worried one jot I'm 67 and with you 100% You wouldn't be worried about what exactly?
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Post by chad on Nov 25, 2020 22:31:27 GMT
If you start to worry about all the shit posted on Twitter you might as well pack up For me, and I’m 69, I wouldn’t be worried one jot So you regard EVERYTHING linked to on Twitter as 'shit' Chad? Not everything mate Just about 90%. I know there’s loads on here who think the MSM is all in a great conspiracy but I’d take BBC/ ITV/ Mail or Mirror over twitter any day of the week
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 25, 2020 22:32:46 GMT
So you regard EVERYTHING linked to on Twitter as 'shit' Chad? Not everything mate Just about 90%. I know there’s loads on here who think the MSM is all in a great conspiracy but I’d take BBC/ ITV/ Mail or Mirror over twitter any day of the week So how do you decide which 10% you want to read?
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Post by Davef on Nov 25, 2020 22:37:19 GMT
An actual MP. What hope is there with buffoons like this representing us?
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Post by chad on Nov 25, 2020 22:37:37 GMT
Not everything mate Just about 90%. I know there’s loads on here who think the MSM is all in a great conspiracy but I’d take BBC/ ITV/ Mail or Mirror over twitter any day of the week So how do you decide which 10% you want to read? I don’t read twitter mate and from what I’ve seen of the twitter articles on here I’m not missing much I’m sure if it’s important it’ll end up on the MSM
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Nov 25, 2020 22:40:43 GMT
Non removable bracelets... this is astonishing and tbh a little scary that so called medical people can advocate this
FFS!!!
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 25, 2020 22:41:35 GMT
You wouldn't be worried about what exactly? I'm not worried about shit spouted on Twitter...
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Post by Davef on Nov 25, 2020 22:45:21 GMT
And another one.
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Post by andystokey on Nov 25, 2020 22:46:26 GMT
How worried by this article in Wired should we be? Reading the full article casts some doubts compared to the Moderna and BioNtech variants. It also suggests the dosing variation was not planned and was an accident. It will be interesting to see how the gov't spin this one since theyve gone big time for the Oxford one. On a somewhat related issue I'm sure it was said this week that people will not get to choose or perhaps even know which one they will be given when the ball gets rolling. The recipients will just receive in priority order. It might be obvious in the early cadre but not next year if they are all given the go ahead. I doubt individuals will know if they are having at 95% or 62% version.
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