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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 24, 2020 14:21:17 GMT
It's obviously complete rubbish. It would be interesting to know where the issue lies. Non Covid deaths roughly on a par with normal would be believable wouldn't it? The whole country out on a limb trying to avoid spreading infection and no one really going anywhere or doing anything. In fact I thought it might be down. Behave, so only 23 extra people compared to a normal year, across the entire nation, have died at home due to the lockdowns? EDIT: Just checked, try multiplying that figure by at least a thousand. www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/Deaths in own homes have seen an excess of 23,619 since week 14, a similar number to the 23,005 excess deaths in care homes. Both far exceed the excess noted in hospital. While the majority of COVID-19 deaths have occurred in hospitals (n=32,275), the excess is only 8,486 or 7% higher than what would be expected. The deaths of people in their own homes are predominantly due to other causes: 2,421 (roughly 10%) are COVID-19 deaths. In care homes, COVID-19 deaths make up 65% of the excess (n= 14,999). While the number of COVID-19 deaths may be high, particularly in the hospital setting, the analysis of excess deaths is a crucial consideration for assessing the impact of covid. The data suggest that mortality has shifted from hospital to home, especially for deaths not associated with COVID-19. This “displacement” may be due to the reluctance of individuals to receive treatment in hospital or of clinicians to admit non-covid patients.
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Post by Northy on Nov 24, 2020 14:23:21 GMT
You couldn't make it up, sadly ... You would think that the parents would have the intelligence to send them with more than 1, tell them to change them and then wash them in the evening, it's not rocket science to do that is it ?
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Post by musik on Nov 24, 2020 14:25:09 GMT
Latest, Press Conference
Sweden have signed deals with all three major companies: Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca, just to make sure we will have a least one vaccine if one or two of them won't be approved.
The vaccination will probably require two shots.
Bergström who is the vaccine coordinator however mentioned other possibilities. He claimed that the most interesting alternative is a company called Nedphalpa(?), because they're the only one who takes "the real corona virus, kills it", and transform it to a vaccine.
Hmm.🤔 I thought that was the basic idea with a virus always.
Plus the fact, that statement was a bit confusing since the corona virus in itself isn't alive, right?!
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Post by Northy on Nov 24, 2020 14:29:49 GMT
Latest, Press Conference Sweden have signed deals with all three major companies: Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca, just to make sure we will have a least one vaccine if one or two of them won't be approved. The vaccination will probably require two shots. Bergström who is the vaccine coordinator however mentioned other possibilities. He claimed that the most interesting alternative is a company called Nedphalpa(?), because they're the only one who takes "the real corona virus, kills it", and transform it to a vaccine. Hmm.🤔 I thought that was the basic idea with a virus always. Plus the fact, that statement was a bit confusing since the corona virus in itself isn't alive, right?! Not heard of that one, there's the Johnson & Johnson Janssen one, and Sputnik 5 ongoing, it's a new name to me
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 24, 2020 14:35:37 GMT
Latest, Press Conference Sweden have signed deals with all three major companies: Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca, just to make sure we will have a least one vaccine if one or two of them won't be approved. The vaccination will probably require two shots. Bergström who is the vaccine coordinator however mentioned other possibilities. He claimed that the most interesting alternative is a company called Nedphalpa(?), because they're the only one who takes "the real corona virus, kills it", and transform it to a vaccine. Hmm.🤔 I thought that was the basic idea with a virus always. Plus the fact, that statement was a bit confusing since the corona virus in itself isn't alive, right?! Not heard of that one, there's the Johnson & Johnson Janssen one, and Sputnik 5 ongoing, it's a new name to me My preference would be Sputnik 5 purely because it sounds great and reminds me of Sigue Sigue Sputnik.
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Post by musik on Nov 24, 2020 14:40:06 GMT
Latest, Press Conference Sweden have signed deals with all three major companies: Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca, just to make sure we will have a least one vaccine if one or two of them won't be approved. The vaccination will probably require two shots. Bergström who is the vaccine coordinator however mentioned other possibilities. He claimed that the most interesting alternative is a company called Nedphalpa(?), because they're the only one who takes "the real corona virus, kills it", and transform it to a vaccine. Hmm.🤔 I thought that was the basic idea with a virus always. Plus the fact, that statement was a bit confusing since the corona virus in itself isn't alive, right?! Not heard of that one, there's the Johnson & Johnson Janssen one, and Sputnik 5 ongoing, it's a new name to me He mentioned Johnson&Johnson Janssen and Sputnik 5 also, but he was absolutely excited about that Nedphalpa(? or something) company. The sound on that link wasn't even low-fi ...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Nov 24, 2020 14:43:11 GMT
You couldn't make it up, sadly ... You would think that the parents would have the intelligence to send them with more than 1, tell them to change them and then wash them in the evening, it's not rocket science to do that is it ? As a complete aside Northy, I a friend of mine was a Primary school teacher in a Stoke-on-Trent school. A parent brought in their child's medicine, an asthma inhaler or insulin pen , I can't remember which. My friend noticed that it was out of date and told the parent. " "Thats your problem" was the response.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 24, 2020 15:06:03 GMT
Latest, Press Conference Sweden have signed deals with all three major companies: Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca, just to make sure we will have a least one vaccine if one or two of them won't be approved. The vaccination will probably require two shots. Bergström who is the vaccine coordinator however mentioned other possibilities. He claimed that the most interesting alternative is a company called Nedphalpa(?), because they're the only one who takes "the real corona virus, kills it", and transform it to a vaccine. Hmm.🤔 I thought that was the basic idea with a virus always. Plus the fact, that statement was a bit confusing since the corona virus in itself isn't alive, right?! I'd check if Bergstrom has shares in Nedphalpa.... I don't think it matters if the vaccine uses the original virus - if it's 90% effective it's 90% effective regardless of what it's made of. It's not a German lager that has to comply with the purity laws.
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Post by musik on Nov 24, 2020 15:07:00 GMT
Latest, Press Conference Sweden have signed deals with all three major companies: Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca, just to make sure we will have a least one vaccine if one or two of them won't be approved. The vaccination will probably require two shots. Bergström who is the vaccine coordinator however mentioned other possibilities. He claimed that the most interesting alternative is a company called Nedphalpa(?), because they're the only one who takes "the real corona virus, kills it", and transform it to a vaccine. Hmm.🤔 I thought that was the basic idea with a virus always. Plus the fact, that statement was a bit confusing since the corona virus in itself isn't alive, right?! Not heard of that one, there's the Johnson & Johnson Janssen one, and Sputnik 5 ongoing, it's a new name to me Just now our Social Minister Social Democrat Lena Hallengren said they will go for the CureVac vaccine initially. 😬 It reminds me of a last minute transfer window.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 24, 2020 15:08:50 GMT
You couldn't make it up, sadly ... You would think that the parents would have the intelligence to send them with more than 1, tell them to change them and then wash them in the evening, it's not rocket science to do that is it ? Not sure if you read the original article mate but they should be disposed of after each wear and a new sterile one should be used for each subsequent wearing. So I guess that could be 4 or 5 times during the course of a school day, if you've got 3 kids and they go to school on average 20 days in a month, that's quite some additional expense to the household budget.
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Post by musik on Nov 24, 2020 15:10:15 GMT
Latest, Press Conference Sweden have signed deals with all three major companies: Pfizer, Moderna and Astra Zeneca, just to make sure we will have a least one vaccine if one or two of them won't be approved. The vaccination will probably require two shots. Bergström who is the vaccine coordinator however mentioned other possibilities. He claimed that the most interesting alternative is a company called Nedphalpa(?), because they're the only one who takes "the real corona virus, kills it", and transform it to a vaccine. Hmm.🤔 I thought that was the basic idea with a virus always. Plus the fact, that statement was a bit confusing since the corona virus in itself isn't alive, right?! I'd check if Bergstrom has shares in Nedphalpa.... I don't think it matters if the vaccine uses the original virus - if it's 90% effective it's 90% effective regardless of what it's made of. It's not a German lager that has to comply with the purity laws. He seemed ok to me, better than everyone else. I haven't found the name Nedphalpa yet though, only Netpharma - but it seems to be an importer ...???
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Post by andystokey on Nov 24, 2020 15:54:58 GMT
Non Covid deaths roughly on a par with normal would be believable wouldn't it? The whole country out on a limb trying to avoid spreading infection and no one really going anywhere or doing anything. In fact I thought it might be down. Behave, so only 23 extra people compared to a normal year, across the entire nation, have died at home due to the lockdowns? EDIT: Just checked, try multiplying that figure by at least a thousand. www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/Deaths in own homes have seen an excess of 23,619 since week 14, a similar number to the 23,005 excess deaths in care homes. Both far exceed the excess noted in hospital. While the majority of COVID-19 deaths have occurred in hospitals (n=32,275), the excess is only 8,486 or 7% higher than what would be expected. The deaths of people in their own homes are predominantly due to other causes: 2,421 (roughly 10%) are COVID-19 deaths. In care homes, COVID-19 deaths make up 65% of the excess (n= 14,999). While the number of COVID-19 deaths may be high, particularly in the hospital setting, the analysis of excess deaths is a crucial consideration for assessing the impact of covid. The data suggest that mortality has shifted from hospital to home, especially for deaths not associated with COVID-19. This “displacement” may be due to the reluctance of individuals to receive treatment in hospital or of clinicians to admit non-covid patients. Paul the terms "involving" and "due to" are key here. The ONS states: A death can be registered with both COVID-19 and Influenza and Pneumonia mentioned on the death certificate. Deaths where both were mentioned have been counted in both categories.
We use the term “due to COVID-19” or “due to Influenza and Pneumonia” when referring only to deaths where that illness was recorded as the underlying cause of death. We use the term “involving COVID-19” or “involving Influenza and Pneumonia” when referring to deaths that had that illness mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not. Look at the graphs in Fig 2. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending13november2020
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Nov 24, 2020 16:04:41 GMT
I would say it's way beyond capitalism. It's corporatism, which is another political entity in itself. And, as you mention it, regards the WEF great reset, economists who've tried to decipher the detail see the biggest hoovering up of wealth ever known, into the grip of these major globalist corporations. Do you actually know what corporatism means? What it doesn't mean is the world being run by globalist corporations hoovering up wealth. In all it's forms (and there are variants from a socialist, liberal, social democratic and even fascist perspective) it means people with particular specialist skills working together to influence whatever power structures are in place to incorporate the insights of their area of expertise into the decision making process and ensure they get their just reward. It is the exact opposite of what you think it is. There are people out there who want a world run by global corporations that hoover up wealth for those at the top. They happen at be at the top of those very global corporations. However their politics is entrenched in the extreme libertarianism that you're into. These are the people who hate the idea of corporatism because it means having to listen to experts (technocrats in your terms) and share the wealth that they have helped create. These are the people with an agenda against the likes of the WHO ,the WEF and altruists like Bill Gates because they are advocating a more equitable distribution of the world's resources and have a philosophy that goes beyond being a selfish greedy bastard in it for themselves. Why do you think Trump is so highly thought of by the alt right and features so highly in Qanon related conspiracy theories? It can't be because it's in the interests of him and his selfish bastard billionaire buddies to put out a political ideology that tries to undermine bodies and individuals like the WHO, the WEF and Bill Gates who would cut off their exclusive access to power and wealth? It's hilarious to think that you and your conspiracy theory buddies might just be pawns in their game. Well done you - I'm sure your puppet masters are pleased with your work. I have to say, I thoroughly enjoy your epic take-downs of starkiller on here. Keep fighting the good fight!
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 24, 2020 16:09:57 GMT
Cases down deaths up
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 24, 2020 16:10:48 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 16:17:04 GMT
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2020 16:18:03 GMT
Behave, so only 23 extra people compared to a normal year, across the entire nation, have died at home due to the lockdowns? EDIT: Just checked, try multiplying that figure by at least a thousand. www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/Deaths in own homes have seen an excess of 23,619 since week 14, a similar number to the 23,005 excess deaths in care homes. Both far exceed the excess noted in hospital. While the majority of COVID-19 deaths have occurred in hospitals (n=32,275), the excess is only 8,486 or 7% higher than what would be expected. The deaths of people in their own homes are predominantly due to other causes: 2,421 (roughly 10%) are COVID-19 deaths. In care homes, COVID-19 deaths make up 65% of the excess (n= 14,999). While the number of COVID-19 deaths may be high, particularly in the hospital setting, the analysis of excess deaths is a crucial consideration for assessing the impact of covid. The data suggest that mortality has shifted from hospital to home, especially for deaths not associated with COVID-19. This “displacement” may be due to the reluctance of individuals to receive treatment in hospital or of clinicians to admit non-covid patients. Paul the terms "involving" and "due to" are key here. The ONS states: A death can be registered with both COVID-19 and Influenza and Pneumonia mentioned on the death certificate. Deaths where both were mentioned have been counted in both categories.
We use the term “due to COVID-19” or “due to Influenza and Pneumonia” when referring only to deaths where that illness was recorded as the underlying cause of death. We use the term “involving COVID-19” or “involving Influenza and Pneumonia” when referring to deaths that had that illness mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not. Look at the graphs in Fig 2. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending13november2020I think the comparison of this year's excess deaths to a 5 year average is misleading. Better to compare to a “bad” year or an average of 5 “bad” years. In that way we are comparing like with like.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 24, 2020 16:19:25 GMT
Its certainly a massive risk for sure but folk would/will do it anyway
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 24, 2020 16:21:25 GMT
Behave, so only 23 extra people compared to a normal year, across the entire nation, have died at home due to the lockdowns? EDIT: Just checked, try multiplying that figure by at least a thousand. www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/Deaths in own homes have seen an excess of 23,619 since week 14, a similar number to the 23,005 excess deaths in care homes. Both far exceed the excess noted in hospital. While the majority of COVID-19 deaths have occurred in hospitals (n=32,275), the excess is only 8,486 or 7% higher than what would be expected. The deaths of people in their own homes are predominantly due to other causes: 2,421 (roughly 10%) are COVID-19 deaths. In care homes, COVID-19 deaths make up 65% of the excess (n= 14,999). While the number of COVID-19 deaths may be high, particularly in the hospital setting, the analysis of excess deaths is a crucial consideration for assessing the impact of covid. The data suggest that mortality has shifted from hospital to home, especially for deaths not associated with COVID-19. This “displacement” may be due to the reluctance of individuals to receive treatment in hospital or of clinicians to admit non-covid patients. Paul the terms "involving" and "due to" are key here. The ONS states: A death can be registered with both COVID-19 and Influenza and Pneumonia mentioned on the death certificate. Deaths where both were mentioned have been counted in both categories.
We use the term “due to COVID-19” or “due to Influenza and Pneumonia” when referring only to deaths where that illness was recorded as the underlying cause of death. We use the term “involving COVID-19” or “involving Influenza and Pneumonia” when referring to deaths that had that illness mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not. Look at the graphs in Fig 2. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending13november2020I'm not sure how that relates to the point that I was making about there has been far more than 23 excess non covid deaths Andy.
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Post by thebet365 on Nov 24, 2020 16:35:29 GMT
Its certainly a massive risk for sure but folk would/will do it anyway What was it ? It looks like it was taken down
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Nov 24, 2020 16:41:23 GMT
Its certainly a massive risk for sure but folk would/will do it anyway What was it ? It looks like it was taken down About 3 households mixing over Christmas
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Nov 24, 2020 16:48:25 GMT
Non Covid deaths roughly on a par with normal would be believable wouldn't it? The whole country out on a limb trying to avoid spreading infection and no one really going anywhere or doing anything. In fact I thought it might be down. Behave, so only 23 extra people compared to a normal year, across the entire nation, have died at home due to the lockdowns? EDIT: Just checked, try multiplying that figure by at least a thousand. www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/Deaths in own homes have seen an excess of 23,619 since week 14, a similar number to the 23,005 excess deaths in care homes. Both far exceed the excess noted in hospital. While the majority of COVID-19 deaths have occurred in hospitals (n=32,275), the excess is only 8,486 or 7% higher than what would be expected. The deaths of people in their own homes are predominantly due to other causes: 2,421 (roughly 10%) are COVID-19 deaths. In care homes, COVID-19 deaths make up 65% of the excess (n= 14,999). While the number of COVID-19 deaths may be high, particularly in the hospital setting, the analysis of excess deaths is a crucial consideration for assessing the impact of covid. The data suggest that mortality has shifted from hospital to home, especially for deaths not associated with COVID-19. This “displacement” may be due to the reluctance of individuals to receive treatment in hospital or of clinicians to admit non-covid patients. Isn't this a nightmare to unpick? 23 non covid additional deaths isn't a real figure for a raft of reasons: 1 The baseline is a 5 year average - under other circumstances 2020 may have been a low year. 2 Lockdown may have driven the non covid death rate down - fewer road accidents, less communicable non-covud diseases, reduction in work related stress There may have been non-covid deaths for things like missed operations and people not getting treatment but there is no way anyone can extract that from those figures - somebody would have to do a targeted analysis on the base data to get anyway near even ballpark figures.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 24, 2020 16:50:01 GMT
Still looks like the death peak was on the 9th Nov.
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Post by Gods on Nov 24, 2020 16:57:38 GMT
Lock down lite having an effect, the deaths already baked in given the lag?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 24, 2020 16:57:41 GMT
Behave, so only 23 extra people compared to a normal year, across the entire nation, have died at home due to the lockdowns? EDIT: Just checked, try multiplying that figure by at least a thousand. www.cebm.net/covid-19/22268/Deaths in own homes have seen an excess of 23,619 since week 14, a similar number to the 23,005 excess deaths in care homes. Both far exceed the excess noted in hospital. While the majority of COVID-19 deaths have occurred in hospitals (n=32,275), the excess is only 8,486 or 7% higher than what would be expected. The deaths of people in their own homes are predominantly due to other causes: 2,421 (roughly 10%) are COVID-19 deaths. In care homes, COVID-19 deaths make up 65% of the excess (n= 14,999). While the number of COVID-19 deaths may be high, particularly in the hospital setting, the analysis of excess deaths is a crucial consideration for assessing the impact of covid. The data suggest that mortality has shifted from hospital to home, especially for deaths not associated with COVID-19. This “displacement” may be due to the reluctance of individuals to receive treatment in hospital or of clinicians to admit non-covid patients. Isn't this a nightmare to unpick? 23 non covid additional deaths isn't a real figure for a raft of reasons: 1 The baseline is a 5 year average - under other circumstances 2020 may have been a low year. 2 Lockdown may have driven the non covid death rate down - fewer road accidents, less communicable non-covud diseases, reduction in work related stress There may have been non-covid deaths for things like missed operations and people not getting treatment but there is no way anyone can extract that from those figures - somebody would have to do a targeted analysis on the base data to get anyway near even ballpark figures. Which is why the original claim was so ridiculous.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 24, 2020 16:59:13 GMT
Lock down lite having an effect, the deaths already baked in given the lag? Yep the deaths are already baked in ...
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Post by musik on Nov 24, 2020 17:00:33 GMT
The vaccination process as they like to call it here begins the first week of January.
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Post by musik on Nov 24, 2020 17:02:47 GMT
Latest
Even though lots of people will take the vaccine, 75% or more, Covid-19 is something we have to live with in our society for many years to come, they say here.
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Post by andystokey on Nov 24, 2020 17:05:17 GMT
Paul the terms "involving" and "due to" are key here. The ONS states: A death can be registered with both COVID-19 and Influenza and Pneumonia mentioned on the death certificate. Deaths where both were mentioned have been counted in both categories.
We use the term “due to COVID-19” or “due to Influenza and Pneumonia” when referring only to deaths where that illness was recorded as the underlying cause of death. We use the term “involving COVID-19” or “involving Influenza and Pneumonia” when referring to deaths that had that illness mentioned anywhere on the death certificate, whether as an underlying cause or not. Look at the graphs in Fig 2. www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending13november2020I'm not sure how that relates to the point that I was making about there has been far more than 23 excess non covid deaths Andy. I think what I'm saying is that last year a pneumonia death would only be a pneumonia death and it would be excess. This year it has a new value it's falling into a Covid (and pneumonia) category.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 24, 2020 17:10:26 GMT
Don’t pay attention to the figures, they are just there to be manipulated to suit the government rhetoric depending on the situation. Something stinks, it’s about money on a massive scale, and vaccines make serious money.
On a separate note local funeral directors are far from busy.
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