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Post by zerps on Oct 25, 2020 16:29:42 GMT
In Wales you can buy beans but not a tin opener, nuts but not a nut cracker
Chewy
Unless you order on amazon then you can have anything delivered, handled and coughed on by 27 strangers, right to your door.
2020 👍
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 25, 2020 16:41:56 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2020 17:28:49 GMT
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Post by Gods on Oct 25, 2020 17:31:05 GMT
Those of us who see nothing but trouble ahead with wave 2 will have zoomed in on these numbers above.
Not the cheery chap directly above taking solace from the fact that the rise in the number of cases largely among students is slowing down in the big University towns rather the hard nosed arbiter of reality above that sharing with us the hospitalisations numbers.
Total hospitalisations are at 9067 (6,501 a week back) and English hospitalisations are 7225 (4,974 a week back).
That's a 40% increase in a single week in GB as a whole or a 45% increase in England alone if you prefer.
I don't want to reach for Mr. Whitty's exponential growth calculator for fear of being lampooned but if those percentage hospital admission increase numbers are not brought back in to some kind of line quick-smart they will get very large, very fast.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 25, 2020 17:40:25 GMT
Those of us who see nothing but trouble ahead with wave 2 will have zoomed in on these numbers above. Not the cheery chap directly above taking solace from the fact that the rise in the number of cases largely among students is slowing down in the big University towns rather the hard nosed arbiter of reality above that sharing with us the hospitalisations numbers. Total hospitalisations are at 9067 (6,501 a week back) and English hospitalisations are 7225 (4,974 a week back).
That's a 40% increase in a single week in GB as a whole or a 45% increase in England alone if you prefer. I don't want to reach for Mr. Whitty's exponential growth calculator for fear of being lampooned but if those percentage hospital admission increase numbers are not brought back in to some kind of line quick-smart they will get very large, very fast. Can you provide some YoY comparatives for hospital admissions?
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Post by bgreen13 on Oct 25, 2020 17:41:42 GMT
So that's Nottingham in lockdown next week....
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Post by westlandstokie on Oct 25, 2020 17:42:35 GMT
Hey Starkiller...I'm with you on this one mate for what it's worth. I've no doubt at all that there is a deadly virus out there doing lots of damage (my daughter in law to be is a nurse working at the sharp end and she tells me how serious it's becoming). But I also believe in The Great Reset and what has been coming out of the WEF for a while now is very alarming. And what is Boris's slogan... build back better...or something very similar ? I'm not sure what the Governments end goal is in all of this but you can guarantee that things will never be as they were.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Oct 25, 2020 17:43:49 GMT
So that's Nottingham in lockdown next week.... Nottingham are supposed to be going into Tier 3 from Wednesday apparently
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Post by bgreen13 on Oct 25, 2020 17:50:16 GMT
So that's Nottingham in lockdown next week.... Nottingham are supposed to be going into Tier 3 from Wednesday apparently Ridiculous. And they can't see why people are less and less interested in this shit.
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Post by Gods on Oct 25, 2020 17:59:54 GMT
Those of us who see nothing but trouble ahead with wave 2 will have zoomed in on these numbers above. Not the cheery chap directly above taking solace from the fact that the rise in the number of cases largely among students is slowing down in the big University towns rather the hard nosed arbiter of reality above that sharing with us the hospitalisations numbers. Total hospitalisations are at 9067 (6,501 a week back) and English hospitalisations are 7225 (4,974 a week back).
That's a 40% increase in a single week in GB as a whole or a 45% increase in England alone if you prefer. I don't want to reach for Mr. Whitty's exponential growth calculator for fear of being lampooned but if those percentage hospital admission increase numbers are not brought back in to some kind of line quick-smart they will get very large, very fast. Can you provide some YoY comparatives for hospital admissions? It's about growth not actuals. Have a play with 9000 growing at 40% a week for the 8 weeks between now and Xmas and you will quickly see why do nothing is not an option
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 25, 2020 18:00:32 GMT
Some good editing there, no proof of times of day and massively cut. It might be true but there are so many clear opportunities taken to edit that video to suit the agenda that it's impossible not to come to the conclusion that the video is fake. Why not just watch a live stream and look for yourself? Why couldn't the poster just run a live stream rather than post an edited video? Surely you question the motives of these people or do you just agree with them because they suit your agenda? My lad came over from Germany a few weeks ago and he took his girlfriend to London and visited numerous places. As you would expect they took lots of pictures and it was deserted. Hardly a person in frame outside Buck house, Parliament, Oxford st etc it was like a zombie movie I was completely shocked. What does it mean though? Is it just that many tourists are not visiting London? I don't have a clue how many tourists visit London each day from within or from outside the uk, there are many people working from home which is impacting the numbers too. Were the shops open or are they online mainly now? I would like to think there is a logical explanation why the numbers are so far down rather than it being part of some project from some secret society. People are genuinely a lot more cautious and most people would assume London being busy which is perhaps another factor in why people are staying away. Are people being stopped from going to London for any reason? If there was a huge conspiracy then surely there will be a few blockers in the way rather than people just staying away through their own choice.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2020 18:12:33 GMT
Those of us who see nothing but trouble ahead with wave 2 will have zoomed in on these numbers above. Not the cheery chap directly above taking solace from the fact that the rise in the number of cases largely among students is slowing down in the big University towns rather the hard nosed arbiter of reality above that sharing with us the hospitalisations numbers. Total hospitalisations are at 9067 (6,501 a week back) and English hospitalisations are 7225 (4,974 a week back).
That's a 40% increase in a single week in GB as a whole or a 45% increase in England alone if you prefer. I don't want to reach for Mr. Whitty's exponential growth calculator for fear of being lampooned but if those percentage hospital admission increase numbers are not brought back in to some kind of line quick-smart they will get very large, very fast. He's providing data pure and simple, data which the government openly admit they are basing their policy decisions on. And when it comes to data and hospital admissions, can you please provide the following information ... 1. How many of those patients have been admitted to hospital BECAUSE of Covid and how many of them have simply tested positive for Covid due to them being routinely tested whilst being admitted for something else entirely and aren't actually sick from Covid at all? 2. How many of those patients caught Covid whilst being in hospital for something else? 3. How many of those patients have been admitted from care homes? 4. Provide a year on year comparison of how many patients would ordinarily be in hospital at this time of year with respiratory illnesses and demonstrate that today's figure is now considerably higher than it would ordinarily be? This data is extremely important if we're going to have a sensible discussion about how we go forwards.
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Post by vokeswagen on Oct 25, 2020 18:13:46 GMT
Best get used to it thats the future 😷 Orchestrated controlled demolition. Great Reset. I said months ago, and got laughed at, there will eventually be food restrictions and shortages, both consequentially and orchestrated through supply chains. Communists have used this technique throughout history for control of populations. And now we have a global communist, technocratic, digital prison agenda unfolding, whilst folk have been distracted with Covid analysis. That tape around non-essential items is practice for food control. So whilst folk have been mocking, I've been stocking. I may be totally wrong but there's nothing lost. Yet, those holding the reins have been pretty clear about the plans. Yes, they have conspired, and, no, it's not a theory. Simply because the usual news outlets refuse to detail the implications of such an agenda does not make it a conspiracy theory. In fact, very far from it. It's real, and it's happening right now. Still a chance to reverse it if enough people realise it's not about a virus. I hope so. Mate, as I’ve already pointed out to you on here, the powers that be in the world are fairly clearly not communist. To choose but a few off the top of my head... World Economic Forum - literally the opposite of communist World Bank - literally the opposite of communist USA - clearly not communist Russia - not communist Brazil - not communist India - not communist China - nominally communist yet is home to the most rampant industrial revolution style capitalism on earth in the form of sweatshops, factories etc UK - not communist France - not communist Germany - not communist.... I could keep going but there’s really no need ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/KYqg3pYeaerc5lD_P7BR.gif) I’m not denying there are things that don’t add up about this situation and I’m not saying there’s nothing sinister going on either. There may well be. I don’t like it one bit... But this “reds under the bed” nonsense (and it really is nonsense when looked at in the context of real life facts) undermines the integrity of your argument.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 25, 2020 18:15:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 18:15:53 GMT
Come on then let's pick the bones out of this sentence? When people make statements like ".....we have a global communist, technocratic, digital prison agenda unfolding" they need to give a bit more detail. Because on the face of it that's just pure waffle if I may be so bold...... I can't be arsed picking the bones out of anything that comes out of a lunatic's mouth. Call me old fashioned. Come now Gary, we've all humoured you in previous transfer windows ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 18:16:59 GMT
Only playing with you btw marra.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 25, 2020 18:32:19 GMT
Can you provide some YoY comparatives for hospital admissions? It's about growth not actuals. Have a play with 9000 growing at 40% a week for the 8 weeks between now and Xmas and you will quickly see why do nothing is not an option Well shouldn’t it be about actuals until facts prove otherwise?
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Post by franklin on Oct 25, 2020 18:37:41 GMT
My lad came over from Germany a few weeks ago and he took his girlfriend to London and visited numerous places. As you would expect they took lots of pictures and it was deserted. Hardly a person in frame outside Buck house, Parliament, Oxford st etc it was like a zombie movie I was completely shocked. What does it mean though? Is it just that many tourists are not visiting London? I don't have a clue how many tourists visit London each day from within or from outside the uk, there are many people working from home which is impacting the numbers too. Were the shops open or are they online mainly now? I would like to think there is a logical explanation why the numbers are so far down rather than it being part of some project from some secret society. People are genuinely a lot more cautious and most people would assume London being busy which is perhaps another factor in why people are staying away. Are people being stopped from going to London for any reason? If there was a huge conspiracy then surely there will be a few blockers in the way rather than people just staying away through their own choice. No idea im just telling you what it was like when they went and the photos I've seen I've never seen it so quiet.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 25, 2020 18:38:14 GMT
That it doesn't really run South of the river. Sorry to be thick Paul, but what are the numbers in the red circles please? Ranking of number of cases mate. A couple of days old but a bit more information relating to that map.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2020 18:43:09 GMT
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Post by Gods on Oct 25, 2020 18:46:55 GMT
It's about growth not actuals. Have a play with 9000 growing at 40% a week for the 8 weeks between now and Xmas and you will quickly see why do nothing is not an option Well shouldn’t it be about actuals until facts prove otherwise? That's like saying let's not bother to mark anyone at a corner because they haven't scored yet! Anyway I get it, I kind of was in your roll with the punches camp but it has become increasingly to clear to me that as long as this virus is around the economy will just shut itself down in the end anyway if our hospitals start over flowing. I may be wrong, I often am, but this is just what my gut is telling me.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 25, 2020 18:52:15 GMT
That’s a very interesting article, thanks. Why aren’t these type of questions put to Vallance et al?
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Post by Gods on Oct 25, 2020 18:54:30 GMT
Those of us who see nothing but trouble ahead with wave 2 will have zoomed in on these numbers above. Not the cheery chap directly above taking solace from the fact that the rise in the number of cases largely among students is slowing down in the big University towns rather the hard nosed arbiter of reality above that sharing with us the hospitalisations numbers. Total hospitalisations are at 9067 (6,501 a week back) and English hospitalisations are 7225 (4,974 a week back).
That's a 40% increase in a single week in GB as a whole or a 45% increase in England alone if you prefer. I don't want to reach for Mr. Whitty's exponential growth calculator for fear of being lampooned but if those percentage hospital admission increase numbers are not brought back in to some kind of line quick-smart they will get very large, very fast. He's providing data pure and simple, data which the government openly admit they are basing their policy decisions on. And when it comes to data and hospital admissions, can you please provide the following information ... 1. How many of those patients have been admitted to hospital BECAUSE of Covid and how many of them have simply tested positive for Covid due to them being routinely tested whilst being admitted for something else entirely and aren't actually sick from Covid at all? 2. How many of those patients caught Covid whilst being in hospital for something else? 3. How many of those patients have been admitted from care homes? 4. Provide a year on year comparison of how many patients would ordinarily be in hospital at this time of year with respiratory illnesses and demonstrate that today's figure is now considerably higher than it would ordinarily be? This data is extremely important if we're going to have a sensible discussion about how we go forwards. Here is one for you. How many covid deaths are no longer being reported since if you die but have not tested positive in the last 28 days for covid then you will no longer count as a covid death in wave 2. Presumably many people who ends up on a ventilator in hospital will limp on for 4 weeks or 4 months and if they ultimately turn up their toes after that they won't count as a covid death. Fact is you can play around at the minutiae of the numbers until the cows come home but cases in all the vulnerable age groups are rising, hospital admissions are rising and deaths are rising.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 25, 2020 18:55:24 GMT
Well shouldn’t it be about actuals until facts prove otherwise? That's like saying let's not bother to mark anyone at a corner because they haven't scored yet! Anyway I get it, I kind of was in your roll with the punches camp but it has become increasingly to clear to me that as long as this virus is around the economy will just shut itself down in the end anyway if our hospitals start over flowing. I may be wrong, I often am, but this is just what my gut is telling me. 😀 or why don’t we seriously injure all their players, get all ours sent off, match abandoned and ruined for everyone 😀
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Post by Davef on Oct 25, 2020 18:58:50 GMT
Policing in Melbourne. Utter scum.
"Ve vere only following orderz".
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Oct 25, 2020 19:00:26 GMT
He's providing data pure and simple, data which the government openly admit they are basing their policy decisions on. And when it comes to data and hospital admissions, can you please provide the following information ... 1. How many of those patients have been admitted to hospital BECAUSE of Covid and how many of them have simply tested positive for Covid due to them being routinely tested whilst being admitted for something else entirely and aren't actually sick from Covid at all? 2. How many of those patients caught Covid whilst being in hospital for something else? 3. How many of those patients have been admitted from care homes? 4. Provide a year on year comparison of how many patients would ordinarily be in hospital at this time of year with respiratory illnesses and demonstrate that today's figure is now considerably higher than it would ordinarily be? This data is extremely important if we're going to have a sensible discussion about how we go forwards. Here is one for you. How many covid deaths are no longer being reported since if you die but have not tested positive in the last 28 days for covid then you will no longer count as a covid death in wave 2. Presumably many people who ends up on a ventilator in hospital will limp on for 4 weeks or 4 months and if they ultimately turn up their toes after that they won't count as a covid death. Fact is you can play around at the minutiae of the numbers until the cows come home but cases in all the vulnerable age groups are rising, hospital admissions are rising and deaths are rising. Aren’t you continually tested in hospital ?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2020 19:02:07 GMT
He's providing data pure and simple, data which the government openly admit they are basing their policy decisions on. And when it comes to data and hospital admissions, can you please provide the following information ... 1. How many of those patients have been admitted to hospital BECAUSE of Covid and how many of them have simply tested positive for Covid due to them being routinely tested whilst being admitted for something else entirely and aren't actually sick from Covid at all? 2. How many of those patients caught Covid whilst being in hospital for something else? 3. How many of those patients have been admitted from care homes? 4. Provide a year on year comparison of how many patients would ordinarily be in hospital at this time of year with respiratory illnesses and demonstrate that today's figure is now considerably higher than it would ordinarily be? This data is extremely important if we're going to have a sensible discussion about how we go forwards. Here is one for you. How many covid deaths are no longer being reported since if you die but have not tested positive in the last 28 days for covid then you will no longer count as a covid death in wave 2. Presumably many people who ends up on a ventilator in hospital will limp on for 4 weeks or 4 months and if they ultimately turn up their toes after that they won't count as a covid death. Fact is you can play around at the minutiae of the numbers until the cows come home but cases in all the vulnerable age groups are rising, hospital admissions are rising and deaths are rising. It absolutely isn't about playing around with the minutiae of the numbers at all. I find it extremely hard to believe that you cannot see, that if we're going to have a grown up discussion about the options available going forwards, then it is absolutely fundamental for us to furnish ourselves with the answers to the questions I have posted. To do anything else, is to simply shove your fingers in your ears and shout "la, la, la, I'm not listening and I don't even want to know."
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 25, 2020 19:04:15 GMT
Well shouldn’t it be about actuals until facts prove otherwise? That's like saying let's not bother to mark anyone at a corner because they haven't scored yet! Anyway I get it, I kind of was in your roll with the punches camp but it has become increasingly to clear to me that as long as this virus is around the economy will just shut itself down in the end anyway if our hospitals start over flowing. I may be wrong, I often am, but this is just what my gut is telling me. It depends on the R rate of Covid in my view, if you take both the Flu and Covid and compare the two on how much stress they have on the NHS then Covid can only have an equal or less deadly impact than flu if the R rate is equivalent or lower to flu in a normal year. If the R rate of Covid remains higher than flu than in a normal year then hospital admissions will increase at a much faster rate so even if this week hospital levels are normal then if Covid has an higher R rate then hospitals will fill up much faster in the following weeks than normal unless that rate is bought down. That's how I see it anyway. That would only be if they were like for like illnesses, I don't know if there is a hospital rate per disease, Covid for now appears to put more people in hospital than flu.
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Post by chad on Oct 25, 2020 19:07:57 GMT
Spain want to impose a 'state of emergency' until May 2021 They’ve just imposed a national curfew from 11pm to 6am That’s two of Europe’s largest populations under curfew. Can see us following suit if things don’t improve soon
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 25, 2020 19:09:14 GMT
Well shouldn’t it be about actuals until facts prove otherwise? That's like saying let's not bother to mark anyone at a corner because they haven't scored yet! Anyway I get it, I kind of was in your roll with the punches camp but it has become increasingly to clear to me that as long as this virus is around the economy will just shut itself down in the end anyway if our hospitals start over flowing. I may be wrong, I often am, but this is just what my gut is telling me. No, it's like saying, right, we've got a threat and we need to identify what that threat is, analyze that threat and then establish just how much will we need to defend as a result of that specific threat. Not simply park the bus for 90 minutes because there's something (anything) that we're going to have to defend against. You're effectively suggesting that when Liverpool play Gillingham at home in the cup, they shouldn't bother assessing what the threat level is to them and simply put 11 men behind the ball and hold on for penalties because if they don't do, then Gillingham might score.
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