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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2020 23:10:45 GMT
I agree with the overall sentiment. Apart from the assertion over deaths tbh. Bookmarked ππVery odd.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 24, 2020 23:14:57 GMT
Casedemic Not complicated downright draconian Ok mate. That's your opinion. I'm certainly not clever enough to argue against scientific and academic evidence. I'm certainly not clever enough to argue against conspiracy theories. So I probably base my knowledge base on stuff I see on the good old BBC, ITV and SKY Coupled with some random surfing. If I've been brainwashed by this lot then so be it. There is no real debate or alternative opinion allowed on these networks. So having only one point of view available on broadcasters is manipulation.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Oct 24, 2020 23:18:53 GMT
Just keeping tabs on you, someone has to π
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Post by starkiller on Oct 24, 2020 23:20:08 GMT
I wonder if anyone else is willing to consider they are being gaslighted yet? I'm waiting for them to play out the script that says they've saved Christmas in a few weeks. This is what psychological abusers do. This of course is the government that Salopstick voted for. Maybe. Not my job to speak for him. But, at least he's not so entrenched in party political dichotomy that he can't see when we are being manipulated and lied to. It's a shame when folk are unwilling to see beyond these divides...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Oct 24, 2020 23:24:10 GMT
Just keeping tabs on you, someone has to π Me? Why? Iβve been in the middle on all this. Clearly not a Casedemic. Clearly not as bad as the first time around. But also I think clearly more of it around. Clearly donβt need to shut the country down. Clearly need people to actually follow some basic rules. Thatβs about where I am.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 24, 2020 23:32:37 GMT
Casedemic Not complicated downright draconian 'casedemic' isn't even a word, it was cooked up by the alt-covid movement in the summer when we appeared to have the virus in our grasp after a well observed lockdown but no one uses it anymore since it looks laughable given the number of dead bodies getting served up, which will increase massively over the coming weeks. 'Alt-covid' - is that a word? The dead bodies will be like every other winter respiratory illness season. I didn't see you complaining last year. And summer was summer, when there is less respiratory illness. I didn't see any rise in supposed cases when the Stasi were complaining about people daring to relax on the beach.
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Post by numpty40 on Oct 24, 2020 23:37:27 GMT
That appears to be quite a turn out and the first real questioning of policies. Interesting to see how this grows.
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Post by tosh on Oct 25, 2020 0:16:27 GMT
I agree with the overall sentiment. Apart from the assertion over deaths tbh. I hope you are right on deaths but while infections may be falling among returning students they are increasing in all the vulnerable age groups and wave 2 is barely out of first gear in many of the more populated areas in London and the South. Not withstanding the present Tier 3 restrictions there must be at least 4 more weeks of trouble locked in already in the great conurbations of the North. I can see wave 2 hitting 500 deaths a day comfortably. I know that won't satisfy some people and it doesn't really matter since they are mostly older folks but would still be 10 Hillsborough's a day, not to be sniffed at. Truth is until we get on top of the virus the economy will never properly recover nor will other services properly resume in the NHS. Not sure how you think you can make predictions like that. Most scientistsβ opinions have proved to be wildly inaccurate. There is no history of government lockdowns βconqueringβ a virus. Numerous viruses have claimed many victims, but eventually humanity has built up enough resistance to live with them, sometimes helped by discovering an effective vaccine. There is an average figure, pre Covid, of 1600 deaths a day every day in the Uk. At the moment Covid 19 is not in the top ten causes of death, and it is causing about 10% of deaths. 90% of deaths are from other causes and we never think about those. For a number of weeks the flu has been causing more deaths than Covid. Discovering and widely administering a vaccine, if successful, could easily be a year or two or more away. Can we keep locking down indefinitely, and destroying our economy, jobs and businesses, if it is achieving little except a small amount of delay? We havenβt done it in previous pandemics. Personally I donβt want my my grandkids future prospects ruined, to protect me from from this particular risk, which I believe is not that much different to all the other risks we have to face. A huge proportion of the βnew casesβ seems to be just positive tests of people with no symptoms. I believe we need to learn to live with this virus, whilst taking all sensible precautions, and get on with our lives. I think many people including a lot of respected scientists are moving towards that opinion. The government unfortunately though seems to have painted itself into a corner and is reluctant to consider changing course. In which case weβd better hope thereβs an effective vaccine quickly available before the country is bankrupted.
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Post by franklin on Oct 25, 2020 8:06:27 GMT
I hope you are right on deaths but while infections may be falling among returning students they are increasing in all the vulnerable age groups and wave 2 is barely out of first gear in many of the more populated areas in London and the South. Not withstanding the present Tier 3 restrictions there must be at least 4 more weeks of trouble locked in already in the great conurbations of the North. I can see wave 2 hitting 500 deaths a day comfortably. I know that won't satisfy some people and it doesn't really matter since they are mostly older folks but would still be 10 Hillsborough's a day, not to be sniffed at. Truth is until we get on top of the virus the economy will never properly recover nor will other services properly resume in the NHS. Not sure how you think you can make predictions like that. Most scientistsβ opinions have proved to be wildly inaccurate. There is no history of government lockdowns βconqueringβ a virus. Numerous viruses have claimed many victims, but eventually humanity has built up enough resistance to live with them, sometimes helped by discovering an effective vaccine. There is an average figure, pre Covid, of 1600 deaths a day every day in the Uk. At the moment Covid 19 is not in the top ten causes of death, and it is causing about 10% of deaths. 90% of deaths are from other causes and we never think about those. For a number of weeks the flu has been causing more deaths than Covid. Discovering and widely administering a vaccine, if successful, could easily be a year or two or more away. Can we keep locking down indefinitely, and destroying our economy, jobs and businesses, if it is achieving little except a small amount of delay? We havenβt done it in previous pandemics. Personally I donβt want my my grandkids future prospects ruined, to protect me from from this particular risk, which I believe is not that much different to all the other risks we have to face. A huge proportion of the βnew casesβ seems to be just positive tests of people with no symptoms. I believe we need to learn to live with this virus, whilst taking all sensible precautions, and get on with our lives. I think many people including a lot of respected scientists are moving towards that opinion. The government unfortunately though seems to have painted itself into a corner and is reluctant to consider changing course. In which case weβd better hope thereβs an effective vaccine quickly available before the country is bankrupted. Sadly its too late this has gone too far to reverse now. Theses restrictions will be around for a long time because nobody dare lift them because one death will lead to outrage in the press and on discussions like this. You and your grandchildren will have years of austerity to pay for all this thats assuming there is any business's left come next year to employ anyone. I've stayed away from this thread because of the consensus to lock everything down which I dont agree with. I've obeyed the rules since day one but I've genuinely had enough. Its 100% affected my mental health with isolation and the situation is causing depression in thousands of people. Other illnesses are being ignored people are dying through neglect of their condition so they are being sacrificed for covid that can't be right. I've had enough now time for the restrictions to end and leave it to US to take whatever precautions needed in our lives. I know about the virus I know to wear a mask I know to keep my distance I know to wash my hands I don't need locking away to wither a die.
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Post by andystokey on Oct 25, 2020 8:34:06 GMT
Bastards?....seriously? This shit just got real Have you never heard that phrase before? Anyway judging from your posts 'real' isn't a term your familiar with either. I think werrington has 'real' world experience of this.
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Post by starkiller on Oct 25, 2020 8:38:04 GMT
I hope you are right on deaths but while infections may be falling among returning students they are increasing in all the vulnerable age groups and wave 2 is barely out of first gear in many of the more populated areas in London and the South. Not withstanding the present Tier 3 restrictions there must be at least 4 more weeks of trouble locked in already in the great conurbations of the North. I can see wave 2 hitting 500 deaths a day comfortably. I know that won't satisfy some people and it doesn't really matter since they are mostly older folks but would still be 10 Hillsborough's a day, not to be sniffed at. Truth is until we get on top of the virus the economy will never properly recover nor will other services properly resume in the NHS. Not sure how you think you can make predictions like that. Most scientistsβ opinions have proved to be wildly inaccurate. There is no history of government lockdowns βconqueringβ a virus. Numerous viruses have claimed many victims, but eventually humanity has built up enough resistance to live with them, sometimes helped by discovering an effective vaccine. There is an average figure, pre Covid, of 1600 deaths a day every day in the Uk. At the moment Covid 19 is not in the top ten causes of death, and it is causing about 10% of deaths. 90% of deaths are from other causes and we never think about those. For a number of weeks the flu has been causing more deaths than Covid. Discovering and widely administering a vaccine, if successful, could easily be a year or two or more away. Can we keep locking down indefinitely, and destroying our economy, jobs and businesses, if it is achieving little except a small amount of delay? We havenβt done it in previous pandemics. Personally I donβt want my my grandkids future prospects ruined, to protect me from from this particular risk, which I believe is not that much different to all the other risks we have to face. A huge proportion of the βnew casesβ seems to be just positive tests of people with no symptoms. I believe we need to learn to live with this virus, whilst taking all sensible precautions, and get on with our lives. I think many people including a lot of respected scientists are moving towards that opinion. The government unfortunately though seems to have painted itself into a corner and is reluctant to consider changing course. In which case weβd better hope thereβs an effective vaccine quickly available before the country is bankrupted. Agree with some of that. But to give a vaccine ultimatum is disturbing, and likely one of the intended scenarios of this operation. The current figure is 4.4 percent of deaths. And that cannot be trusted as they've changed the criteria to make it even more in favour of getting it on death certificates. Add in that 28 day rule, which if it was used for flu would have given us a pandemic for our entire lives. And with a rigged test, you could genuinely make a case for none of these people actually having died of what is called covid19.
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Post by andystokey on Oct 25, 2020 8:45:15 GMT
Not sure how you think you can make predictions like that. Most scientistsβ opinions have proved to be wildly inaccurate. There is no history of government lockdowns βconqueringβ a virus. Numerous viruses have claimed many victims, but eventually humanity has built up enough resistance to live with them, sometimes helped by discovering an effective vaccine. There is an average figure, pre Covid, of 1600 deaths a day every day in the Uk. At the moment Covid 19 is not in the top ten causes of death, and it is causing about 10% of deaths. 90% of deaths are from other causes and we never think about those. For a number of weeks the flu has been causing more deaths than Covid. Discovering and widely administering a vaccine, if successful, could easily be a year or two or more away. Can we keep locking down indefinitely, and destroying our economy, jobs and businesses, if it is achieving little except a small amount of delay? We havenβt done it in previous pandemics. Personally I donβt want my my grandkids future prospects ruined, to protect me from from this particular risk, which I believe is not that much different to all the other risks we have to face. A huge proportion of the βnew casesβ seems to be just positive tests of people with no symptoms. I believe we need to learn to live with this virus, whilst taking all sensible precautions, and get on with our lives. I think many people including a lot of respected scientists are moving towards that opinion. The government unfortunately though seems to have painted itself into a corner and is reluctant to consider changing course. In which case weβd better hope thereβs an effective vaccine quickly available before the country is bankrupted. Sadly its too late this has gone too far to reverse now. Theses restrictions will be around for a long time because nobody dare lift them because one death will lead to outrage in the press and on discussions like this. You and your grandchildren will have years of austerity to pay for all this thats assuming there is any business's left come next year to employ anyone. I've stayed away from this thread because of the consensus to lock everything down which I dont agree with. I've obeyed the rules since day one but I've genuinely had enough. Its 100% affected my mental health with isolation and the situation is causing depression in thousands of people. Other illnesses are being ignored people are dying through neglect of their condition so they are being sacrificed for covid that can't be right. I've had enough now time for the restrictions to end and leave it to US to take whatever precautions needed in our lives. I know about the virus I know to wear a mask I know to keep my distance I know to wash my hands I don't need locking away to wither a die. I think we could all do with taking the time to stop and think what effect this constant Covid broadcasting is doing to our MH. Even on here the drip drip of tribal views all adds to the mix. We could support each other a little more rather than just become another polarising arm of this debate. I had hoped that this might be a channel for that but like most threads it eventually gets binary pretty quickly. I think perhaps we could all do well to think about our audience before we broadcast and try and not make this debate targeted or personal to others who might be struggling on any particular day.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Oct 25, 2020 8:45:53 GMT
'casedemic' isn't even a word, it was cooked up by the alt-covid movement in the summer when we appeared to have the virus in our grasp after a well observed lockdown but no one uses it anymore since it looks laughable given the number of dead bodies getting served up, which will increase massively over the coming weeks. I agree with the overall sentiment. Apart from the assertion over deaths tbh. The alt covid movement π Some of the phrases and buz words that have come out of this pandemic have been unbelievable. The comedians will have a field day. At least people have finally clocked onto the fact that a two week "firebreak" isn't really a thing and it basically means a national lockdown with no plan and no end game.
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Post by franklin on Oct 25, 2020 9:06:19 GMT
Sadly its too late this has gone too far to reverse now. Theses restrictions will be around for a long time because nobody dare lift them because one death will lead to outrage in the press and on discussions like this. You and your grandchildren will have years of austerity to pay for all this thats assuming there is any business's left come next year to employ anyone. I've stayed away from this thread because of the consensus to lock everything down which I dont agree with. I've obeyed the rules since day one but I've genuinely had enough. Its 100% affected my mental health with isolation and the situation is causing depression in thousands of people. Other illnesses are being ignored people are dying through neglect of their condition so they are being sacrificed for covid that can't be right. I've had enough now time for the restrictions to end and leave it to US to take whatever precautions needed in our lives. I know about the virus I know to wear a mask I know to keep my distance I know to wash my hands I don't need locking away to wither a die. I think we could all do with taking the time to stop and think what effect this constant Covid broadcasting is doing to our MH. Even on here the drip drip of tribal views all adds to the mix. We could support each other a little more rather than just become another polarising arm of this debate. I had hoped that this might be a channel for that but like most threads it eventually gets binary pretty quickly. I think perhaps we could all do well to think about our audience before we broadcast and try and not make this debate targeted or personal to others who might be struggling on any particular day. Not to digress too far but thats a given on anonymous message boards people don't care what they say or how they say it because very few actually know each other in real life. There are "extremists" or "passionate" however you want to describe it people who without knowing your circumstances lable you a heartless so and so. And trust me some will bombard people into submission its happening every day on here. Abusive pm's, name calling and provocation it goes on all the time. I've seen it and had it and its disgusting.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 25, 2020 9:16:46 GMT
That appears to be quite a turn out and the first real questioning of policies. Interesting to see how this grows. Again....where are the water canons?
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Post by andystokey on Oct 25, 2020 9:25:21 GMT
That appears to be quite a turn out and the first real questioning of policies. Interesting to see how this grows. Again....where are the water canons? Hopefully safely in North Korea, Hong Kong and the Eastern bloc countries. The irony of your comments being only two weeks away from the act of Remembrance must be lost on you.
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Post by henry on Oct 25, 2020 9:31:05 GMT
That appears to be quite a turn out and the first real questioning of policies. Interesting to see how this grows. Again....where are the water canons? Thankfully not being used. I'm so glad you're not in charge.
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 25, 2020 9:35:11 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 25, 2020 9:36:50 GMT
Again....where are the water canons? Thankfully not being used. I'm so glad you're not in charge. It was the person in charge who bought them.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 25, 2020 9:38:25 GMT
Again....where are the water canons? Thankfully not being used. I'm so glad you're not in charge. "Freedom...freedom....freedom" The thick fucks dont relaise that theyre jsut adding fuel to the fire by not following guidelines - facemasks, social distancing. Common sense? I see less than 0.00000001% common sense being used right there. (I'm also touched with a tinge of sadness Im not in charge ) ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by henry on Oct 25, 2020 9:39:09 GMT
That appears to be quite a turn out and the first real questioning of policies. Interesting to see how this grows. There's some footage of protests in Poland and Italy on youtube, getting quite nasty aswell. If governments continue to turn the screw on peoples freedoms then its going to very ugly. 3 weeks of protecting the NHS has turned into a new way of life. It really is very depressing.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 25, 2020 9:39:34 GMT
Aye thats the babies........ ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by starkiller on Oct 25, 2020 9:45:56 GMT
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Post by franklin on Oct 25, 2020 9:49:44 GMT
Best get used to it thats the future π·
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Post by andystokey on Oct 25, 2020 9:51:15 GMT
Thankfully not being used. I'm so glad you're not in charge. "Freedom...freedom....freedom" The thick fucks dont relaise that theyre jsut adding fuel to the fire by not following guidelines - facemasks, social distancing. Common sense? I see less than 0.00000001% common sense being used right there. (I'm also touched with a tinge of sadness Im not in charge ) ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) I think calling people "thick fucks" who are interested in freedom might be related to the reasons you aren't in charge.
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Post by dutchstokie on Oct 25, 2020 9:59:48 GMT
"Freedom...freedom....freedom" The thick fucks dont relaise that theyre jsut adding fuel to the fire by not following guidelines - facemasks, social distancing. Common sense? I see less than 0.00000001% common sense being used right there. (I'm also touched with a tinge of sadness Im not in charge ) ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) I think calling people "thick fucks" who are interested in freedom might be related to the reasons you aren't in charge. So youre endorsing this demonstration? No face masks, no social distancing going on...youre endorsing this are you? Blimey ! Yeah I think "thick fucks" is a pretty apt description
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Post by starkiller on Oct 25, 2020 10:07:40 GMT
Best get used to it thats the future π· Orchestrated controlled demolition. Great Reset. I said months ago, and got laughed at, there will eventually be food restrictions and shortages, both consequentially and orchestrated through supply chains. Communists have used this technique throughout history for control of populations. And now we have a global communist, technocratic, digital prison agenda unfolding, whilst folk have been distracted with Covid analysis. That tape around non-essential items is practice for food control. So whilst folk have been mocking, I've been stocking. I may be totally wrong but there's nothing lost. Yet, those holding the reins have been pretty clear about the plans. Yes, they have conspired, and, no, it's not a theory. Simply because the usual news outlets refuse to detail the implications of such an agenda does not make it a conspiracy theory. In fact, very far from it. It's real, and it's happening right now. Still a chance to reverse it if enough people realise it's not about a virus. I hope so.
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Post by franklin on Oct 25, 2020 10:20:36 GMT
Best get used to it thats the future π· Orchestrated controlled demolition. Great Reset. I said months ago, and got laughed at that, there will eventually be food restrictions and shortages, both consequentially and orchestrated through supply chains. Communists have used this technique throughout history for control of populations. And now we have a global communist, technocratic, digital prison agenda unfolding, whilst folk have been distracted with Covid analysis. That tape around non-essential items is practice for food control. So whilst folk have been mocking, I've been stocking. I may be totally wrong but there's nothing lost. Yet, those holding the reins have been pretty clear about the plans. Yes, they have conspired, and, no, it's not a theory. Simply because the usual news outlets refuse to detail the implications of such an agenda does not make it a conspiracy theory. In fact, very far from it. It's real, and it's happening. Still a chance to reverse it if enough people realise it's not about a virus. I hope so. I'm not sure i look at it that deeply but I do see your point. What I do know is the damage done will take decades to put right if at all and thousands of independent business will go under and dito with jobs. Plus what happens next time.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 10:28:06 GMT
Best get used to it thats the future π· Orchestrated controlled demolition. Great Reset. I said months ago, and got laughed at, there will eventually be food restrictions and shortages, both consequentially and orchestrated through supply chains. Communists have used this technique throughout history for control of populations. And now we have a global communist, technocratic, digital prison agenda unfolding, whilst folk have been distracted with Covid analysis.That tape around non-essential items is practice for food control. So whilst folk have been mocking, I've been stocking. I may be totally wrong but there's nothing lost. Yet, those holding the reins have been pretty clear about the plans. Yes, they have conspired, and, no, it's not a theory. Simply because the usual news outlets refuse to detail the implications of such an agenda does not make it a conspiracy theory. In fact, very far from it. It's real, and it's happening right now. Still a chance to reverse it if enough people realise it's not about a virus. I hope so. Come on then let's pick the bones out of this sentence? When people make statements like ".....we have a global communist, technocratic, digital prison agenda unfolding" they need to give a bit more detail. Because on the face of it that's just pure waffle if I may be so bold......
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Post by thisisouryear on Oct 25, 2020 10:30:12 GMT
Some good editing there, no proof of times of day and massively cut. It might be true but there are so many clear opportunities taken to edit that video to suit the agenda that it's impossible not to come to the conclusion that the video is fake. Why not just watch a live stream and look for yourself? Why couldn't the poster just run a live stream rather than post an edited video? Surely you question the motives of these people or do you just agree with them because they suit your agenda?
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