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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 24, 2020 11:53:53 GMT
Perhaps stating the obvious but does this new scheme now put the entire nation at risk of shorter hours? I believe the plan is to keep it at 60 minutes for the moment. What do you mean?
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 24, 2020 11:58:06 GMT
I believe the plan is to keep it at 60 minutes for the moment. What do you mean? He means 60 minutes = an hour
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 24, 2020 12:12:15 GMT
Perhaps stating the obvious but does this new scheme now put the entire nation at risk of shorter hours? Sounds more expensive then?
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Post by musik on Sept 24, 2020 12:13:54 GMT
Thank You very much huddysleftfoot, hotterpotter and thisisouryear for sharing the info regarding how the restrictions in England look like to prevent Corona from spreading!👍 I have went through the pages here and now I fully understand why Tegnell has claimed the similarities between Sweden and England on how to tackle the pandemic. And about 0.06% of the population in both countries have died from Covid-19. The restrictions are only described more in detail in England, it's like a freakin' Law book! 😳Tegnell on the other hand was worried our 4-5 pages were too much to keep in mind. Wash your hands ... social distancing ... England talk about small groups of 6 people and The Support Bubble. You must wear a face mask in certain situations, for instance on public transports. However, if you have a medical reason for it, you don't have to - but you don't have to show a written document of that medical condition of yours. Isn't that to complicate things too much? Here in Sweden - now facing the 2nd wave - they talk about face masks as something possibly obligatory in certain situations as well. Let's see. Basically the only main difference between England and Sweden is the FINES. Is it the fines that bothers you the most in the English approach? Do you think people would give a shit more if the fines weren't there? 🤔 The simple and only reason Sweden have NOT implemented Fines during the Corona pandemic, is that they have no police to offer for these matters! 😁 It seems to me that in practice England and Sweden have and are doing very similar things despite the supposed difference in approach - with very similar outcomes. The main difference appears to be Sweden have relied more on personal responsibility and the English approach is now relying more on coercion through fines because of (probably justified) fears over non-compliance. In your experience are the Swedish people still voluntarily following restrictions or is non-compliance becoming an issue? Non-compliance has been an issue to some extent right from the start. At the beginning it was the non-European immigrants who didn't understand the queue rules. But they are partly excused, the politicians had fucked up making sure the Corona informative guidelines was presented in different languages in the suburban areas - which they have admitted. So the non-European immigrants were overrepresented at the beginning among the death cases. I must say, over time swedes have tended not to follow the rules as much as before. 20% fail now I would say. That's why I'm one of those who wanted stricter rules from the beginning. Tegnell said it's difficult to hold on to stricter rules for long periods. People tend to be tired of them. Well, yeah ... but if people get tired of rules and lower them it would have been better to start out hard. Or it's simply a personality issue?
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 24, 2020 12:23:30 GMT
Perhaps stating the obvious but does this new scheme now put the entire nation at risk of shorter hours? Sounds more expensive then? Not to the taxpayer no. The new scheme basically is: Employee has to work at least a third of their usual hours which is paid by the employer. Any hours after that not worked is paid by: A Third the Government A Third the Employer A Third the employee as unpaid. So basically the Government will be paying a maximum of 22.22% per employee per pay period. However not seen any mention of Caps yet, and employees who've not been furloughed so far are eligible as long as the business is.
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 24, 2020 12:27:31 GMT
Sounds more expensive then? Not to the taxpayer no. The new scheme basically is: Employee has to work at least a third of their usual hours which is paid by the employer. Any hours after that not worked is paid by: A Third the Government A Third the Employer A Third the employee as unpaid. So basically the Government will be paying a maximum of 22.22% per employee per pay period. However not seen any mention of Caps yet, and employees who've not been furloughed so far are eligible as long as the business is. So it's not 2/3rds paid by employer and 1/3 by government. I have only caught a bit of it so not completely up to date with it yet.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 24, 2020 12:29:40 GMT
Not to the taxpayer no. The new scheme basically is: Employee has to work at least a third of their usual hours which is paid by the employer. Any hours after that not worked is paid by: A Third the Government A Third the Employer A Third the employee as unpaid. So basically the Government will be paying a maximum of 22.22% per employee per pay period. However not seen any mention of Caps yet, and employees who've not been furloughed so far are eligible as long as the business is. So it's not 2/3rds paid by employer and 1/3 by government. I have only caught a bit of it so not completely up to date with it yet. Not according to this
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 24, 2020 12:29:54 GMT
The Staffordshire Regiment wasn't formed until 1959 so the chances of it seeing any WW2 action was fairly limited. North Staffordshire then ,I was as surprised as anyone to know they hadn't engaged in any action in all the time he was away. As they say "war is a racket". Not sure if I'm reading this right but here's a few facts to clear things up re. the Staffordshire Regiment. The Staffordshire regiment was formed by combining the North Staffs Regiment with the South Staffs Regiment in 1959. Previous to that they were two different entities. Why your relative didn't see any action could depend on many circumstances such as when he joined the army and also what his role was during the war. But the North Staffs and South Staffs Regiments saw more than their share of action during WW2. My old man joined the North Staffs in 1924 and served for ten years, seven of them in India. He then, because he was an experienced soldier, became what was known as a 'reservist' and therefore was called up before most squaddies and sent to France as part of the British Expeditionary Force when war was declared on Germany. The BEF was pushed out of France at Dunkirk. He survived that. Still being in the North Staffs, he was then sent to North Africa and served there until we pushed Rommel and his forces out of North Africa. At that point, after some R&R, he was seconded to the South Staffs and sent to Burma and he was there until Japan surrendered. So why your relative, whether he was in the North Staffs or the South Staffs didn't see any action, I have no idea. Maybe he just got lucky. And I don't blame him for that. I saw first hand what six years of war can do to a decent bloke, and they didn't have counsellors back then. For my old man, his two boys and his pigeons were the difference between him going nuts or surviving what he went through. There's always a silver lining and we'll get through these damned times one day. Those squaddies survived far worse, so chins up guys and remember, wash hands, wear a mask, and keep your distance from me. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 12:41:55 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 24, 2020 12:44:05 GMT
So it's not 2/3rds paid by employer and 1/3 by government. I have only caught a bit of it so not completely up to date with it yet. Not according to this
So bosses have to pay a little over time and a half for hours worked. Given the stress on businesses at the moment and lack of work coming in there could be a lot of staff cuts.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 24, 2020 12:59:08 GMT
So bosses have to pay a little over time and a half for hours worked. Given the stress on businesses at the moment and lack of work coming in there could be a lot of staff cuts. Yes I don't see this saving the amount of jobs the Government think. It'll be used more by businesses as a cost saving excercise for quiet periods rather than Job retention for the long term.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 24, 2020 13:03:23 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2020 13:11:28 GMT
So bosses have to pay a little over time and a half for hours worked. Given the stress on businesses at the moment and lack of work coming in there could be a lot of staff cuts. The scheme makes absolutely zero sense to me. This person has nailed it:
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Post by MilanStokie on Sept 24, 2020 13:14:55 GMT
Breaking news here, Ibrahimovic tests positive for Covid-19.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 24, 2020 13:16:33 GMT
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 24, 2020 13:17:01 GMT
This website is updated daily for anyone having to plan businiess trips. reopen.europa.eu/en/map/BELTo be clear its not specifically aimed at business travellers but more of a bang up to date one stop shop of what each country is doing daily in terms of new guidelines, border checks, necessary documents and so on.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Sept 24, 2020 13:22:10 GMT
North Staffordshire then ,I was as surprised as anyone to know they hadn't engaged in any action in all the time he was away. As they say "war is a racket". Not sure if I'm reading this right but here's a few facts to clear things up re. the Staffordshire Regiment. The Staffordshire regiment was formed by combining the North Staffs Regiment with the South Staffs Regiment in 1959. Previous to that they were two different entities. Why your relative didn't see any action could depend on many circumstances such as when he joined the army and also what his role was during the war. But the North Staffs and South Staffs Regiments saw more than their share of action during WW2. My old man joined the North Staffs in 1924 and served for ten years, seven of them in India. He then, because he was an experienced soldier, became what was known as a 'reservist' and therefore was called up before most squaddies and sent to France as part of the British Expeditionary Force when war was declared on Germany. The BEF was pushed out of France at Dunkirk. He survived that. Still being in the North Staffs, he was then sent to North Africa and served there until we pushed Rommel and his forces out of North Africa. At that point, after some R&R, he was seconded to the South Staffs and sent to Burma and he was there until Japan surrendered. So why your relative, whether he was in the North Staffs or the South Staffs didn't see any action, I have no idea. Maybe he just got lucky. And I don't blame him for that. I saw first hand what six years of war can do to a decent bloke, and they didn't have counsellors back then. For my old man, his two boys and his pigeons were the difference between him going nuts or surviving what he went through. There's always a silver lining and we'll get through these damned times one day. Those squaddies survived far worse, so chins up guys and remember, wash hands, wear a mask, and keep your distance from me. OS. I'm no military historian but my undetstanding is that Austria was on the eastern front and therefore left to the Soviets. In '45 after the fall of Vienna there was an army of occupation consisting of the Soviets, the US and the British. The North Staffs may have been part of that but by that time the fighting was over.
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Post by thisisouryear on Sept 24, 2020 13:35:41 GMT
So bosses have to pay a little over time and a half for hours worked. Given the stress on businesses at the moment and lack of work coming in there could be a lot of staff cuts. The scheme makes absolutely zero sense to me. This person has nailed it: Bang on. It's a job cut scheme.
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Post by chad on Sept 24, 2020 13:55:34 GMT
The scheme makes absolutely zero sense to me. This person has nailed it: Bang on. It's a job cut scheme. Got any better ideas. Perhaps the Government should just pay everybody their normal wage to stay at home. Even then some buggers would moan about it
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 24, 2020 13:59:49 GMT
Still barely anything from Sunak for the hospitality, music and sports industries.
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Post by Northy on Sept 24, 2020 14:03:10 GMT
Not sure if I'm reading this right but here's a few facts to clear things up re. the Staffordshire Regiment. The Staffordshire regiment was formed by combining the North Staffs Regiment with the South Staffs Regiment in 1959. Previous to that they were two different entities. Why your relative didn't see any action could depend on many circumstances such as when he joined the army and also what his role was during the war. But the North Staffs and South Staffs Regiments saw more than their share of action during WW2. My old man joined the North Staffs in 1924 and served for ten years, seven of them in India. He then, because he was an experienced soldier, became what was known as a 'reservist' and therefore was called up before most squaddies and sent to France as part of the British Expeditionary Force when war was declared on Germany. The BEF was pushed out of France at Dunkirk. He survived that. Still being in the North Staffs, he was then sent to North Africa and served there until we pushed Rommel and his forces out of North Africa. At that point, after some R&R, he was seconded to the South Staffs and sent to Burma and he was there until Japan surrendered. So why your relative, whether he was in the North Staffs or the South Staffs didn't see any action, I have no idea. Maybe he just got lucky. And I don't blame him for that. I saw first hand what six years of war can do to a decent bloke, and they didn't have counsellors back then. For my old man, his two boys and his pigeons were the difference between him going nuts or surviving what he went through. There's always a silver lining and we'll get through these damned times one day. Those squaddies survived far worse, so chins up guys and remember, wash hands, wear a mask, and keep your distance from me. OS. I'm no military historian but my undetstanding is that Austria was on the eastern front and therefore left to the Soviets. In '45 after the fall of Vienna there was an army of occupation consisting of the Soviets, the US and the British. The North Staffs may have been part of that but by that time the fighting was over. An interesting little fact about that type of scenario in WW2 is a small band of the Brits stopped the Russians from taking Denmark, that could have been under commie rule, they bluffed and told them don't come any further we've got a big army down the road, and the Russians bought it My dad's brother was under age for WW2 when he got his Aunt to sign his papers, they lived in Stoke at the time but he avoided the North Staffs and joined the Shropshires
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Post by musik on Sept 24, 2020 14:04:35 GMT
I for one think the governments should deliver face masks and desinfectants to all households free of charge.
Just like they should have done when they implemented the digital revolution - bank cards, pc:s, routers, internet subscriptions etc.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 24, 2020 14:11:23 GMT
At least 10,000 people have unexpectedly died in their own home since mid-June, official statistics show.
Seven-hundred 'excess deaths' in private homes have been registered each week in England and Wales alone since the pandemic began to die down.
But only an average of 21 each week are down to the coronavirus, according to data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS). And rates have plummeted in recent weeks to as low as seven.
Data shows 30,000 people have died in their homes in the UK since the start of the pandemic in March, and the pattern does not appear to be slowing. For comparison, deaths in hospitals and care homes are currently lower than expected.
Experts say it could be that families are deciding not to admit their elderly relatives into care homes, which were ravaged by the coronavirus during the first wave of the disease in March and April.
It may also be that Britons are still avoiding getting help from the NHS for problems which need urgent care, or have had treatment delayed because of the lockdown, which may be leading to more deaths at home.
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Post by musik on Sept 24, 2020 14:15:03 GMT
have had treatment delayed because of the lockdown, which may be leading to more deaths at home. [/i][/quote] Sweden's lockdown has focused primarily on the Hospitals.
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Post by thebet365 on Sept 24, 2020 14:18:55 GMT
Bang on. It's a job cut scheme. Got any better ideas. Perhaps the Government should just pay everybody their normal wage to stay at home. Even then some buggers would moan about it Being as though they're the Government, and they're the 1 imposing restrictions that is affecting the trade of the business then they should be the ones with the bigger financial burden, not an equal share between the worker/employer and the Government. There's roughly a 66% wage shortfall based on meeting the minimum requirement. I'd say something like 36% Government 15% Employer 15% employee would have been a much fairer scheme, after all it's the Government that are advertising it as their Jobs Support Scheme so they should be the main supporter.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2020 14:45:29 GMT
Bang on. It's a job cut scheme. Got any better ideas. Perhaps the Government should just pay everybody their normal wage to stay at home. Even then some buggers would moan about it To be fair though Chad, it doesn't appear to achieve anything. How in any way is it going to protect jobs?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 24, 2020 14:50:03 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 24, 2020 14:52:20 GMT
So bosses have to pay a little over time and a half for hours worked. Given the stress on businesses at the moment and lack of work coming in there could be a lot of staff cuts. Yes I don't see this saving the amount of jobs the Government think. It'll be used more by businesses as a cost saving excercise for quiet periods rather than Job retention for the long term. Yes but surely If it saves costs and keeps a firm going then indirectly it saves jobs
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2020 14:53:16 GMT
At least 10,000 people have unexpectedly died in their own home since mid-June, official statistics show.
Seven-hundred 'excess deaths' in private homes have been registered each week in England and Wales alone since the pandemic began to die down.
But only an average of 21 each week are down to the coronavirus, according to data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS). And rates have plummeted in recent weeks to as low as seven.
Data shows 30,000 people have died in their homes in the UK since the start of the pandemic in March, and the pattern does not appear to be slowing. For comparison, deaths in hospitals and care homes are currently lower than expected.
Experts say it could be that families are deciding not to admit their elderly relatives into care homes, which were ravaged by the coronavirus during the first wave of the disease in March and April.
It may also be that Britons are still avoiding getting help from the NHS for problems which need urgent care, or have had treatment delayed because of the lockdown, which may be leading to more deaths at home. The data is surely out there, detailing a) if there has been a significant increase in people who have been withdrawn from care homes and have returned to their families and b) if there has been a significant decrease in the number of people admitted to care homes than you would ordinarily expect to see? I wouldn't be surprised if the answers to both questions, is yes.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 24, 2020 14:55:22 GMT
Exactly. That was the very point I made on the page previously.
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