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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Sept 16, 2020 14:46:56 GMT
Whether Tegnell's herd immunity strategy prove to be the right approach (for Sweden at least) remains to be seen. Compared with their near neighbours (Norway, Finland, Denmark) so far it's been a disaster. Their infection rates are now similar and the economic impact has been on a par with their neighbours - even though they imposed lock downs and Sweden didn't. However their death rates have been 10 times higher and it's far too early to say whether they have actually achieved herd immunity. The time to make a judgement will be next May after the second wave has hit. Latest These Corona press conferences and more is on tv daily here of course. Last week they definitely abandoned the idea of herd immunity since according to studies only totally 7% were immune, and 14% in the Stockholm area. Besides, you can catch this disease again. A vaccine in January with a 60% protection is what could give herd immunity, they say. Herd immunity requires at least 50-60%, according to Anders Tegnell and FHM. That's interesting and not very encouraging for the second wave. Is Tegnell adjusting his strategy or is he bluffing it out? Fingers crossed re the vaccine...
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Post by salopstick on Sept 16, 2020 14:55:25 GMT
However, the ONS said the data “does not prove conclusively” that the higher rate of death was caused by occupational exposure to Covid-19. While the data was adjusted for age, it did not take into account other factors such as ethnicity and place of residence. Meanwhile, the ONS found that the rate of death involving Covid-19 among health workers - such as nurses, midwives, doctors, nursing assistants, paramedics, ambulance staff and hospital porters - was not "statistically different" to the general working population.” You missed the bit that said "The rate of death in the social care workforce was “statistically significantly higher” than that among people of the same age and sex in the general population, according to the ONS. It was also double the rate of the death in the overall general population of 20- to 64-year-olds in England and Wales". You also omitted to mention it was based on an assessment of all workers in the sector including those working in non Covid areas and those not working at all due to certain healthcare activities not being undertaken. As I said it’s all bollocks no straight answers just stuff each can interpret for their own argument
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2020 15:30:22 GMT
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Post by dexta on Sept 16, 2020 15:37:55 GMT
how many positive cases would it have been if we had enough tests to go round.. Looking at a good 8000 I reckon
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 16, 2020 15:41:23 GMT
how many positive cases would it have been if we had enough tests to go round.. Looking at a good 8000 I reckon Exactly mate
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Post by musik on Sept 16, 2020 15:46:34 GMT
Latest These Corona press conferences and more is on tv daily here of course. Last week they definitely abandoned the idea of herd immunity since according to studies only totally 7% were immune, and 14% in the Stockholm area. Besides, you can catch this disease again. A vaccine in January with a 60% protection is what could give herd immunity, they say. Herd immunity requires at least 50-60%, according to Anders Tegnell and FHM. That's interesting and not very encouraging for the second wave. Is Tegnell adjusting his strategy or is he bluffing it out? Fingers crossed re the vaccine... He's adjusting, or fine tuning as he prefers to call it. Let's see what comes, but possibly: Wearing a face fask (to enter a tram/bus/grocery store), since studies show the amount of the virus is of importance. Personally, I hope they will have stricter and understandable (translated) rules for the staff at the homes for the elderly. No way they will forbid people by force to leave their homes.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 16, 2020 16:10:14 GMT
The seven day rolling daily average for hospital admissions over the last 7 days is 140, for the previous 7 days it was 76, it had been pretty much flat throughout August, hovering around the 50 mark.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2020 16:15:43 GMT
The seven day rolling daily average for hospital admissions over the last 7 days is 140, for the previous 7 days it was 76, it had been pretty much flat throughout August, hovering around the 50 mark. Doubling in a week. Some people on here seriously need to WAKE UP.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 16:23:08 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 16, 2020 16:25:44 GMT
The seven day rolling daily average for hospital admissions over the last 7 days is 140, for the previous 7 days it was 76, it had been pretty much flat throughout August, hovering around the 50 mark. Doubling in a week. Some people on here seriously need to WAKE UP. For the last 7 days of August it was averaging at 52 new admissions a day, we're not far off three times that now and if the figures keep rising at the same level, then we will be by the weekend.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 16, 2020 16:26:47 GMT
Serious question if this virus is so deadly where Are the biochemical bins for the use gloves or masks
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Post by dexta on Sept 16, 2020 16:29:13 GMT
Serious question if this virus is so deadly where Are the biochemical bins for the use gloves or masks government haven't bothered to buy them yet.. A bit like ppe tests etc
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2020 16:36:07 GMT
Serious question if this virus is so deadly where Are the biochemical bins for the use gloves or masks It only stays live on certain surfaces like steel or hardwood for a max of 3 days. On most other surfaces it's dead within a day.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 16, 2020 16:46:06 GMT
Praying that these figures aren't accurate ... www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/covid-spain-surpasses-30-000-deaths-and-600-000-cases/1974497In the last two weeks alone in Spain, health officials have diagnosed nearly 120,000 new infections, while the percentage of all tests coming back positive continues to rise. The most recent weekly data shows nearly 13% of all tests taken in Spain are coming back positive – suggesting a growing number of cases are going undetected. New deaths are also accelerating, with the Health Ministry reporting 156 more deaths on Tuesday than on Monday, bringing the confirmed total to 30,004. Hospitals are also increasingly full, with a second-wave record of 1,229 COVID-19 patients being admitted in the last 24 hours alone. Hundreds of doctors in the capital Madrid, where 21% of hospital beds now hold those suffering from the infectious disease, stopped work for a few minutes around noon on Tuesday to call for better working conditions and to highlight the “collapse of primary care.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 16:58:16 GMT
It doesn't really make any sense.
This supposedly extremely contagious virus did not multiply in numbers when we had mass race protests up and down the country. Thousands upon thousands of people rammed together and yet no spike in cases.
Months later, none of that is happening and the numbers start to rise.
Why didn't we see any spikes or increases after the protests?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 16, 2020 17:03:13 GMT
It doesn't really make any sense. This supposedly extremely contagious virus did not multiply in numbers when we had mass race protests up and down the country. Thousands upon thousands of people rammed together and yet no spike in cases. Months later, none of that is happening and the numbers start to rise. Why didn't we see any spikes or increases after the protests? There was a lot of mask wearing and it was outdoors and there was less mixing outside of that. Offices were generally shut. Most kids weren’t in. People weren’t using public transport. People weren’t eating out to help out. People were generally not going round other people’s houses. It’s not rocket science.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 16, 2020 17:05:07 GMT
It doesn't really make any sense. This supposedly extremely contagious virus did not multiply in numbers when we had mass race protests up and down the country. Thousands upon thousands of people rammed together and yet no spike in cases. Months later, none of that is happening and the numbers start to rise. Why didn't we see any spikes or increases after the protests? I'm guessing because lockdown had driven the cases right down at the time of those riots so there were very few infected people to spread it. Also, the riots were outdoors, we're being told most of the new cases started happening when too many people from different households started mixing indoors.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2020 17:08:05 GMT
Least football fans are back this weekend 👍👍👍👍
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 16, 2020 17:42:25 GMT
It doesn't really make any sense. This supposedly extremely contagious virus did not multiply in numbers when we had mass race protests up and down the country. Thousands upon thousands of people rammed together and yet no spike in cases. Months later, none of that is happening and the numbers start to rise. Why didn't we see any spikes or increases after the protests? I'm guessing because lockdown had driven the cases right down at the time of those riots so there were very few infected people to spread it. Also, the riots were outdoors, we're being told most of the new cases started happening when too many people from different households started mixing indoors. Riots. Really! They were protests with just a few incidents of stupid behaviour. You have to go back to 2011 to say we had riots on the streets. As for why they didn't cause a spike in the virus, see Bayern's answer below your comment. It really isn't rocket science. As for what's happening now, even a kid of 12 could have forecast a new spike in the rise of cases once Boris & Co took off the shackles of lockdown and opened everything they could. But what the idiot didn't do during those months of lockdown was build up a proper test, track and trace system to cope with the inevitable rise. And now we have a situation just as farcical as the PPE scandal we had in the beginning. The mind boggles at the sheer incompetence of our government. Thank goodness it's *only* Covid and not Ebola. OS.
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Post by Davef on Sept 16, 2020 17:45:22 GMT
Trump is saying it's 'totally under control' That went well..... Im no Trump fan, but there are plenty of US Senators and Governors who were singing from the same hymn sheet in late February and March, including Pelosi and Biden.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 16, 2020 17:56:42 GMT
The seven day rolling daily average for hospital admissions over the last 7 days is 140, for the previous 7 days it was 76, it had been pretty much flat throughout August, hovering around the 50 mark. Doubling in a week. Some people on here seriously need to WAKE UP. PANIC!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 16, 2020 18:02:47 GMT
Doubling in a week. Some people on here seriously need to WAKE UP. PANIC! My mate reckons it will double again in the next 4 days then you’ll see Corporal Boris Joneson in a proper panic , they should shut the pubs now as a very minimum
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 16, 2020 18:04:33 GMT
The seven day rolling daily average for hospital admissions over the last 7 days is 140, for the previous 7 days it was 76, it had been pretty much flat throughout August, hovering around the 50 mark. Wonder how many of them are coming from cate homes sheer they seem reluctant to admit its got a hold again
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 16, 2020 18:18:24 GMT
My mate reckons it will double again in the next 4 days then you’ll see Corporal Boris Joneson in a proper panic , they should shut the pubs now as a very minimum It will no doubt hit 10,000 a day in the coming weeks but thankfully it appears to be at different rate than March, likewise with the death rate. It was always going to happen as people try to go about their lives again.
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Post by ravey123 on Sept 16, 2020 18:35:22 GMT
how many positive cases would it have been if we had enough tests to go round.. Looking at a good 8000 I reckon Limit the number of tests to limit the number of positive tests - this manipulating of figures is easy peasy
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 16, 2020 18:46:44 GMT
My mate reckons it will double again in the next 4 days then you’ll see Corporal Boris Joneson in a proper panic , they should shut the pubs now as a very minimum He's not a Corporal, he's a Comrade* 🇷🇺
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Post by greenman on Sept 16, 2020 19:18:50 GMT
It doesn't really make any sense. This supposedly extremely contagious virus did not multiply in numbers when we had mass race protests up and down the country. Thousands upon thousands of people rammed together and yet no spike in cases. Months later, none of that is happening and the numbers start to rise. Why didn't we see any spikes or increases after the protests? The virus spreads less when masks are worn, social distancing is maintained and outside is much less dangerous than inside also the numbers involved were small compared to say the numbers of people going on holiday on a plane or returning to offices or schools etc.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 16, 2020 19:19:41 GMT
The seven day rolling daily average for hospital admissions over the last 7 days is 140, for the previous 7 days it was 76, it had been pretty much flat throughout August, hovering around the 50 mark. Wonder how many of them are coming from cate homes sheer they seem reluctant to admit its got a hold again Got a hold, or state euthanasia? No wonder they want to keep it secret.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 16, 2020 19:23:47 GMT
Check out what this brave lady is saying Dr. Li-Meng Yan on Tucker Carlson you tube, twitter closed her account if this is true China have declared war on the rest of the World.
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Post by dirtclod on Sept 16, 2020 19:25:25 GMT
Im no Trump fan, but there are plenty of US Senators and Governors who were singing from the same hymn sheet in late February and March, including Pelosi and Biden. Yes great point. At the start of this thing, the opposition were criticizing Trump's early methods as "draconian" when he shut down the airports in the first few days - that he overstepped his authority. I recently heard conservative estimates that doing so saved 10,000 plus lives. Now that the election nears, the same opposition is whinging on about how he hasn't done enough. I'm no Trump fan either - Biden is senile, Pelosi really IS as crazy as she looks and Trump is....crazier than he looks. The Democrats just wait to see what Trump says (right or wrong) then immediately take the opposite stand - they need to maintain political distancing for this election in November. So no real information from either party unless it happens to make a political point. It's like the whole BLM thing. Sure they matter - during elections. Otherwise just stay in your place, shut up and give us your votes. Statesmanship is dead in American politics - it's all about polarization and destroying the "enemy" now. I apologize for this brief hi-jack, you will now be returned to your regular programming....
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