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Post by starkiller on Aug 16, 2020 16:07:30 GMT
Except it's not cut and paste from conspiracy sites, is it? Sorry to disappoint. Started deliberately or does not exist? The jury's still out. And any excess death figures, which are not as great as some people believe, can be explained with the 'use' of the care home system. As well as all of the many lockdown deaths, of course. Entirely possible, we could be looking at a normal year of seasonal flu, colds and respiratory illnesses, without what I've just mentioned, and the news narrative.
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Post by Gods on Aug 16, 2020 16:15:54 GMT
Started deliberately or does not exist? The jury's still out. And any excess death figures, which are not as great as some people believe, can be explained with the 'use' of the care home system. As well as all of the many lockdown deaths, of course. Entirely possible, we could be looking at a normal year of seasonal flu, colds and respiratory illnesses, without what I've just mentioned, and the news narrative. Sounds like both! Why buy in to one conspiracy theory when you can buy in to two? The trouble is it can't be both started deliberately and non-existent. Anyway there is for sure a very valid debate to be had as to how we should respond to it and on that point I lean in your direction of less rather than more lock down. Not least because there have been 250,000 fewer cancer checks that there ordinarily would have been over this period in the UK, that and the fact that cratering the economy wrecks lives too.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 16, 2020 16:22:42 GMT
The jury's still out. And any excess death figures, which are not as great as some people believe, can be explained with the 'use' of the care home system. As well as all of the many lockdown deaths, of course. Entirely possible, we could be looking at a normal year of seasonal flu, colds and respiratory illnesses, without what I've just mentioned, and the news narrative. Sounds like both! Why buy in to one conspiracy theory when you can buy in to two? The trouble is it can't be both started deliberately and non-existent. Anyway there is for sure a very valid debate to be had as to how we should respond to it and on that point I lean in your direction of less rather than more lock down. Not least because there have been 250,000 fewer cancer checks that there ordinarily would have been over this period in the UK, that and the fact that cratering the economy wrecks lives too. Well with what the WHO document says, and I if have to choose, I'd say no Covid19. The usual strains of seasonal illness. And with a dubious test. A real deadly virus doesn't require every trick for number inflation. And China overplayed the theatre show with people dropping in the street. What's your punt?
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Post by yeokel on Aug 16, 2020 16:30:57 GMT
OK, are the "Bilderberg group" involved in the corona virus? You'll find people from the UN/WHO on the Bilderberg list over the years. Once again, I draw your attention to this official WHO document, written in 2019, telling of the plans. Page 39 - apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_annualreport_2019.pdf "The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two systemwide training and simulation exercises, including one covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen." No genuine response to this. The way the world works is nothing like the BBC/Sky/C4 are telling you. Unelected world bodies dictating to governments around the world. Actions like this are many years in the planning. Agreement signed with 194 nations in 2005.................. " The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two systemwide training and simulation exercises, including one covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen." Surely exercises and simulations such as this go on all the time? And we are rarely, if ever, aware of them. I know, for example, that they regularly exercise and plan for a nuclear accident at Hinkley Point. That doesn’t mean that they accidentally blow it up, or that anybody dies, or that anybody even has to leave their home or that they even realise that an exercise is actually going on, because it’s all simulation – it doesn’t really happen except on computer screens and in ‘pretend’ ops rooms. That is all that would, or will have happened in the exercises you are mentioning above in my opinion. They are just “wargaming it”, it’s not real. As I’ve said to you before, you’ve every right to believe what you want to believe but surely you should also question yours and others beliefs and consider whether those beliefs and conclusions are likely to happen or to have happened in the ‘real world’? For my part, I have considered much of what you’ve written on this forum, examined much of what has been written about the ‘Great Reset’, and looked for reasons for concluding that this is all one big conspiracy to ‘do down’ the masses but have failed to discover anything which has convinced me of anything except that ours, and many other countries governments, are guilty of high levels of unpreparedness and incompetence in equal measures and I can only hope that both they, and we must do better in future. But that probably won’t happen.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 16, 2020 16:40:57 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Aug 16, 2020 16:41:57 GMT
You'll find people from the UN/WHO on the Bilderberg list over the years. Once again, I draw your attention to this official WHO document, written in 2019, telling of the plans. Page 39 - apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_annualreport_2019.pdf "The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two systemwide training and simulation exercises, including one covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen." No genuine response to this. The way the world works is nothing like the BBC/Sky/C4 are telling you. Unelected world bodies dictating to governments around the world. Actions like this are many years in the planning. Agreement signed with 194 nations in 2005.................. " The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two systemwide training and simulation exercises, including one covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen." Surely exercises and simulations such as this go on all the time? And we are rarely, if ever, aware of them. I know, for example, that they regularly exercise and plan for a nuclear accident at Hinkley Point. That doesn’t mean that they accidentally blow it up, or that anybody dies, or that anybody even has to leave their home or that they even realise that an exercise is actually going on, because it’s all simulation – it doesn’t really happen except on computer screens and in ‘pretend’ ops rooms. That is all that would, or will have happened in the exercises you are mentioning above in my opinion. They are just “wargaming it”, it’s not real. As I’ve said to you before, you’ve every right to believe what you want to believe but surely you should also question yours and others beliefs and consider whether those beliefs and conclusions are likely to happen or to have happened in the ‘real world’? For my part, I have considered much of what you’ve written on this forum, examined much of what has been written about the ‘Great Reset’, and looked for reasons for concluding that this is all one big conspiracy to ‘do down’ the masses but have failed to discover anything which has convinced me of anything except that ours, and many other countries governments, are guilty of high levels of unpreparedness and incompetence in equal measures and I can only hope that both they, and we must do better in future. But that probably won’t happen. I fully respect that point of view. But my opinion and this document and the specifics of the timing in the document. As well as Gates' Event 201 which coincided with the military games in Wuhan make me think this is live exercise fed to the news media as real. I could be totally wrong. And actually prefer it to be. Because what's outlined in other documents, regarding next stages, I don't want to live through.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 16, 2020 16:45:20 GMT
The jury's still out. And any excess death figures, which are not as great as some people believe, can be explained with the 'use' of the care home system. As well as all of the many lockdown deaths, of course. Entirely possible, we could be looking at a normal year of seasonal flu, colds and respiratory illnesses, without what I've just mentioned, and the news narrative. Sounds like both! Why buy in to one conspiracy theory when you can buy in to two? The trouble is it can't be both started deliberately and non-existent. Anyway there is for sure a very valid debate to be had as to how we should respond to it and on that point I lean in your direction of less rather than more lock down. Not least because there have been 250,000 fewer cancer checks that there ordinarily would have been over this period in the UK, that and the fact that cratering the economy wrecks lives too. But we're not in lockdown and haven't been for some time. We're in a period of dithering, mismanagement and incomptence - and I don't see that changing any time soon with or without a 'second wave'
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 16, 2020 16:50:35 GMT
Sounds like both! Why buy in to one conspiracy theory when you can buy in to two? The trouble is it can't be both started deliberately and non-existent. Anyway there is for sure a very valid debate to be had as to how we should respond to it and on that point I lean in your direction of less rather than more lock down. Not least because there have been 250,000 fewer cancer checks that there ordinarily would have been over this period in the UK, that and the fact that cratering the economy wrecks lives too. Well with what the WHO document says, and I if have to choose, I'd say no Covid19. The usual strains of seasonal illness. And with a dubious test. A real deadly virus doesn't require every trick for number inflation. And China overplayed the theatre show with people dropping in the street. What's your punt? Why do China need to control their population with a fake virus? Surely the virus will turn people against their governments in the long term, it's more likely to make it harder for countries to control their populations. People will only obey these new laws for so long, it's already wearing off with many people and the laws are hardly being forced.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 16, 2020 16:56:12 GMT
Well with what the WHO document says, and I if have to choose, I'd say no Covid19. The usual strains of seasonal illness. And with a dubious test. A real deadly virus doesn't require every trick for number inflation. And China overplayed the theatre show with people dropping in the street. What's your punt? Why do China need to control their population with a fake virus? Surely the virus will turn people against their governments in the long term, it's more likely to make it harder for countries to control their populations. People will only obey these new laws for so long, it's already wearing off with many people and the laws are hardly being forced. China doesn't need to. But it was pretty well placed to model this totalitarian response to the world. And the world is now copying a communist lockdown strategy as the go to method for a virus, for the first time in history. The question needs to be asked whether if this narrative began anywhere else in the world would we be doing this? I'd categorically say no. So if it is part of a plan, it had to start in China.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 16, 2020 17:43:24 GMT
" The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two systemwide training and simulation exercises, including one covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen." Surely exercises and simulations such as this go on all the time? And we are rarely, if ever, aware of them. I know, for example, that they regularly exercise and plan for a nuclear accident at Hinkley Point. That doesn’t mean that they accidentally blow it up, or that anybody dies, or that anybody even has to leave their home or that they even realise that an exercise is actually going on, because it’s all simulation – it doesn’t really happen except on computer screens and in ‘pretend’ ops rooms. That is all that would, or will have happened in the exercises you are mentioning above in my opinion. They are just “wargaming it”, it’s not real. As I’ve said to you before, you’ve every right to believe what you want to believe but surely you should also question yours and others beliefs and consider whether those beliefs and conclusions are likely to happen or to have happened in the ‘real world’? For my part, I have considered much of what you’ve written on this forum, examined much of what has been written about the ‘Great Reset’, and looked for reasons for concluding that this is all one big conspiracy to ‘do down’ the masses but have failed to discover anything which has convinced me of anything except that ours, and many other countries governments, are guilty of high levels of unpreparedness and incompetence in equal measures and I can only hope that both they, and we must do better in future. But that probably won’t happen. I fully respect that point of view. But my opinion and this document and the specifics of the timing in the document. As well as Gates' Event 201 which coincided with the military games in Wuhan make me think this is live exercise fed to the news media as real. I could be totally wrong. And actually prefer it to be. Because what's outlined in other documents, regarding next stages, I don't want to live through. You're in luck - you are totally wrong. Chill and enjoy Stole's march to promotion. But then I'm probably wrong about that one.
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Post by Gods on Aug 16, 2020 17:53:47 GMT
Sounds like both! Why buy in to one conspiracy theory when you can buy in to two? The trouble is it can't be both started deliberately and non-existent. Anyway there is for sure a very valid debate to be had as to how we should respond to it and on that point I lean in your direction of less rather than more lock down. Not least because there have been 250,000 fewer cancer checks that there ordinarily would have been over this period in the UK, that and the fact that cratering the economy wrecks lives too. But we're not in lockdown and haven't been for some time. We're in a period of dithering, mismanagement and incomptence - and I don't see that changing any time soon with or without a 'second wave' Yes I intended lockdown as a catch all for the current restrictions, it was the wrong word to use.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 16, 2020 18:03:26 GMT
I fully respect that point of view. But my opinion and this document and the specifics of the timing in the document. As well as Gates' Event 201 which coincided with the military games in Wuhan make me think this is live exercise fed to the news media as real. I could be totally wrong. And actually prefer it to be. Because what's outlined in other documents, regarding next stages, I don't want to live through. You're in luck - you are totally wrong. Chill and enjoy Stole's march to promotion. But then I'm probably wrong about that one. Well maybe the WHO or Gates have it predicted somewhere 😉 Any bets on the season being abandoned as we're about to clinch it? This is Stoke, after all ...
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 16, 2020 18:18:34 GMT
Sounds like both! Why buy in to one conspiracy theory when you can buy in to two? The trouble is it can't be both started deliberately and non-existent. I've chatted plenty with conspiracy theorists because of my work. They can & will believe all the things, even if it's impossible they could happen at the same time. I've only ever seen two responses when that's pointed out: (1) this is proof that the conspiracy goes even further, the Earth is flat because the alien dinosaurs who live inside the spherical Earth made it that way or (2) it's like trying to ram the same pole of two supermagnets together, whoosh the topic is now how George Soros is paying to cut the Earth into a Star of David shape and it's no longer time to talk about whether it's flat or not. Anyway there is for sure a very valid debate to be had as to how we should respond to it and on that point I lean in your direction of less rather than more lock down. Not least because there have been 250,000 fewer cancer checks that there ordinarily would have been over this period in the UK, that and the fact that cratering the economy wrecks lives too. Aye, this is really tough. The evidence is that the R number was comfortably under 1 during lockdown, but now it's a bit above 1. There's clearly some room to keep it under 1 but not go into severe lockdown. And that's what we want.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 16, 2020 18:24:35 GMT
Why do China need to control their population with a fake virus? Surely the virus will turn people against their governments in the long term, it's more likely to make it harder for countries to control their populations. People will only obey these new laws for so long, it's already wearing off with many people and the laws are hardly being forced. China doesn't need to. But it was pretty well placed to model this totalitarian response to the world. And the world is now copying a communist lockdown strategy as the go to method for a virus, for the first time in history. The question needs to be asked whether if this narrative began anywhere else in the world would we be doing this? I'd categorically say no. So if it is part of a plan, it had to start in China. Why would China be bothered about helping the world? I think it would more than likely take over it if it could but it can't because the world is too big. Parts always break away and always have throughout history in any empire.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 16, 2020 18:24:55 GMT
My gf lost her first covid patient and her hospital only allows a single hour visit by one person during an entire hospital stay, which can be weeks+. They need to remove the tubes and give up on failing patients to free up staff and vents for those with better odds, and they have to do the family discussions over Zoom.
She was on non-covid wards until this week before moving to a "mixed" (covid + non-covid) ICU. Six out of her seven patients are covid and she only sounds hopeful about recovery for the non-covid one.
This is a brutal disease for all the nurses & doctors.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 16, 2020 18:51:48 GMT
My gf lost her first covid patient and her hospital only allows a single hour visit by one person during an entire hospital stay, which can be weeks+. They need to remove the tubes and give up on failing patients to free up staff and vents for those with better odds, and they have to do the family discussions over Zoom. She was on non-covid wards until this week before moving to a "mixed" (covid + non-covid) ICU. Six out of her seven patients are covid and she only sounds hopeful about recovery for the non-covid one. This is a brutal disease for all the nurses & doctors. Are you saying it's not a 'fake virus' 'scam'?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 16, 2020 18:54:08 GMT
Oh God, not more Bilderberg stuff, surely? You used to go on about this years ago on various other conspiracy, one world order, global control stuff. Now it's the Bilderberg and WHO? Also on the subject of the Mike Pompeo "live exercise" clip with Trump going "You should've let us know"...could you post the full, unexpurgated clip so I can see the full context of those comments please. As it appears to be trying to demonstrate that Pompeo is saying that the virus is a "live exercise" ie not real, and Trump is saying to someone unidentified (China?, WHO?) that "you should've let us know", I'd like to see the full clip, please. Regardless of the Donald quote, the 'live exercise' becomes significant when the WHO spoke about conducting exercises to happen during 2020. You think I'm jumping to conclusions, fair enough. What do you think of that direct quote from 2010? Those are the exact words I copied from the PDF. The idea that this is random conspiracy bollocks is denying what's right in front of you, and I would consider that to be fruitcake. So we have WHO telling you directly they will be conducting exercises in 2020, you've got Bilderberger Pompeo using the words 'live exercise' and you've got another globalist document from ten years ago describing exactly what's currently happening. Maybe they can also give us the lottery results for next week? Do want them to announce it on the BBC before you take any notice? Surely, you accept that there's at least more to know here? Wait until I'm back at the PC and I'll post the 2005 agreement between 194 countries. Plandemic. What do I think? I think this... www.snopes.com/fact-check/rockefeller-operation-lockstep/. I think this is the key: for those people who are prone to believe in conspiracies behind pretty much everything, coronavirus, 5G, lizard elites, moonlandings etc etc etc, internet sites which publish this kind of stuff must look entirely rational and convincing, for those who don't, they don't. You may as well say the UK government was planning a global pandemic by running Exercise Cygnus. (Sadly, they were too stupid/parsimonious/inept to implement the findings, and refused to release the exercise findings (which were basically that we were woefully under-prepared, especially in relation to PPE - no shit, Sherlock. But that's political incompetence, not conspiracy in my eyes). Please post the full link for that Pompeo/Trump video which you've leant on for support - I'd like to see the full context.
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Post by Davef on Aug 16, 2020 21:24:06 GMT
Potentially very important news. I'm not quite sure why it is hidden away on the BBC News website though, it should really be one of their main coronavirus headlines. www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-53764640
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 16, 2020 22:16:14 GMT
Potentially very important news. I'm not quite sure why it is hidden away on the BBC News website though, it should really be one of their main coronavirus headlines. www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-53764640One thing I find seriously bizarre (think I’ve said this before too 😂) in all this is the fascination about antibodies dropping. This happens in pretty much every infection known to man. Immunologists I know are banging their heads on desks whenever its being brought up by rent a quote health correspondents. Your blood would be literally like paste (antibodies are incredibly sticky for obvious reasons) if every infection you got resulted in your body maintaining high titres of antibodies in the blood. The T cells and B memory cells are always so much more important RE longer term immunity than the transient primary antibody response. T cells detect the viral antigen, show it to the naive B cell which then become plasma cells which produce the antibodies which then clear after time. A fraction of B cells stick around to become memory cells and they produce a huge wave of antibodies if you get exposed again. Of course questions remain over how long they will last, but they are always gonna be the most important factor in longer term immunity along with T cells that may clean it up before it even gets to that stage! .
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Post by DrGonzo on Aug 17, 2020 7:17:41 GMT
Potentially very important news. I'm not quite sure why it is hidden away on the BBC News website though, it should really be one of their main coronavirus headlines. www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-53764640Because it’s positive news and they can’t create some sensationalist doom mongering headline off the back of it. Most media outlets, the BBC in particular, have really let the public down during this whole thing in my opinion.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 17, 2020 7:56:21 GMT
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Post by musik on Aug 17, 2020 8:02:47 GMT
Sweden to ban face masks? Because they increase the number of Corona cases, they thought.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 17, 2020 8:23:24 GMT
That's brilliant
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Post by werrington on Aug 17, 2020 8:36:49 GMT
Potentially very important news. I'm not quite sure why it is hidden away on the BBC News website though, it should really be one of their main coronavirus headlines. www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-53764640Because it’s positive news and they can’t create some sensationalist doom mongering headline off the back of it. Most media outlets, the BBC in particular, have really let the public down during this whole thing in my opinion. The media outlets ( especially the written ones ) have been an absolute disgrace through all this Five scientists can say there’ll be a vaccine very soon and one will say it’s looking like a few years .....have a guess which headline they all go with It’s rancid scaremongering
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Post by somersetstokie on Aug 17, 2020 9:15:15 GMT
What happened to the Normacot thread on the coronavirus outbreak locally? It warrants its own place as it is a growing story of local importance, yet it suddenly seems to have disappeared.
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Post by dexta on Aug 17, 2020 9:40:56 GMT
What happened to the Normacot thread on the coronavirus outbreak locally? It warrants its own place as it is a growing story of local importance, yet it suddenly seems to have disappeared. it's already been mentioned in this thread
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 17, 2020 9:52:06 GMT
Potentially very important news. I'm not quite sure why it is hidden away on the BBC News website though, it should really be one of their main coronavirus headlines. www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-53764640I don't see this as evidence of 'BBC scaremongering' or 'bias' or 'disgraceful' conduct at all. It's been reported that a company has announced something which they "are hopeful" will help with the subsequent development of a vaccine. It's not like they've successfully developed a fully working vaccine which the news media is deliberately suppressing in order to perpetuate the disease for a bit longer. Doesn't seem to be indicative of irresponsible reporting to me.
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Post by Davef on Aug 17, 2020 10:08:41 GMT
Potentially very important news. I'm not quite sure why it is hidden away on the BBC News website though, it should really be one of their main coronavirus headlines. www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-53764640I don't see this as evidence of 'BBC scaremongering' or 'bias' or 'disgraceful' conduct at all. It's been reported that a company has announced something which they "are hopeful" will help with the subsequent development of a vaccine. It's not like they've successfully developed a fully working vaccine which the news media is deliberately suppressing in order to perpetuate the disease for a bit longer. Doesn't seem to be indicative of irresponsible reporting to me. The level of T-cell immunity is potentially a game changer and testing may give us an indication of what kind of herd immunity we've developed and that could impact on the level of immunisation we'll eventually need. The BBC and other news outlets have a duty to properly inform the public about this kind of thing, not hide it away on their website.
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Post by Davef on Aug 17, 2020 10:11:39 GMT
Because it’s positive news and they can’t create some sensationalist doom mongering headline off the back of it. Most media outlets, the BBC in particular, have really let the public down during this whole thing in my opinion. The media outlets ( especially the written ones ) have been an absolute disgrace through all this Five scientists can say there’ll be a vaccine very soon and one will say it’s looking like a few years .....have a guess which headline they all go with It’s rancid scaremongering You've only got to see the main story on the Express's online site today. "Second wave is here" is the headline and halfway through the story they report that were five deaths announced yesterday. I don't know whether they're pig shit ignorant or just duplicitous scum.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 17, 2020 10:23:52 GMT
The media outlets ( especially the written ones ) have been an absolute disgrace through all this Five scientists can say there’ll be a vaccine very soon and one will say it’s looking like a few years .....have a guess which headline they all go with It’s rancid scaremongering You've only got to see the main story on the Express's online site today. "Second wave is here" is the headline and halfway through the story they report that were five deaths announced yesterday. I don't know whether they're pig shit ignorant or just duplicitous scum. I think there's a distinction to be drawn between certain types of media. Certainly, printed press outlets from the tabloid end of the spectrum are best completely ignored and their online versions are even worse. Irritating clickbait at best, scaremongering and hyperbolic bullshit at worst. You're right to highlight the Express - it is absolutely the worst of the lot. It won't fit with many posters' agendas on here, but the BBC still tops the reliability tables in terms of trustworthiness. People will see what they want to see based on their own political leanings, but overall I think it tries to do a difficult job of balanced political reporting fairly well, and, clearly, so do most other people.
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