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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 14, 2020 17:50:37 GMT
Their is not strong evidence that the world economy is collapsing either , recession yes , Stock markets are at reasonable levels given the level of the shock , there has been a strong recovery in equities since April , China has reasonable data the principal debate in the USA is will it be a U or V shaped recovery . of course certain industries face life changing injuries noticeably travel and airlines hence Berkshire Hathaways airline exit . But right now some of the covid hysteria is not best answered by the alternative is economic armageddon there is volatility but not right now global catastrophe , so to say its one or the other isn't actually correct as ever there is a middle line and its that governments are trying to tread some more successfully than others id hasten to add Endless money printing can on result in 1 outcome, nearly all currencies will become worthless, A currency has to be finite in order for it to be of worth. So when you say there is signs of a recovery, this is just printed money appearing on balance sheets. The bank of England have recently touted the idea of negative interest rates ! Yes free money for those that are privy. This has never happened in history which should tell you the enormity of the financial collapse that is about to happen. Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland and Japan all have negative interest rates. None look like they're about to go bust.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 14, 2020 18:28:37 GMT
The national debt of USA is 24 trillion dollars. How, when and who is paying that back?
To put that into perspective.. 1 million seconds equal 11 and 1/2 days. 1 billion seconds equal 31 and 3/4 years. 1 trillion seconds equal 31,710 years.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 14, 2020 19:44:33 GMT
The national debt of USA is 24 trillion dollars. How, when and who is paying that back? To put that into perspective.. 1 million seconds equal 11 and 1/2 days. 1 billion seconds equal 31 and 3/4 years. 1 trillion seconds equal 31,710 years. Everything Trump has touched has gone bankrupt it should be expected.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 14, 2020 19:58:56 GMT
The national debt of USA is 24 trillion dollars. How, when and who is paying that back? To put that into perspective.. 1 million seconds equal 11 and 1/2 days. 1 billion seconds equal 31 and 3/4 years. 1 trillion seconds equal 31,710 years. Everything Trump has touched has gone bankrupt it should be expected. I have to admit I just don't get it. If someone can explain how and when that debt will seriously hit them hard I'd be very grateful for the insight.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 14, 2020 20:02:49 GMT
Everything Trump has touched has gone bankrupt it should be expected. I have to admit I just don't get it. If someone can explain how and when that debt will seriously hit them hard I'd be very grateful for the insight. Never, they can just print more money. Just like us the debt never clears only grows.
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Post by Davef on Aug 14, 2020 20:10:53 GMT
I'm prepared to go along with the idea that we're now in a "casedemic". I appreciate that others see it differently though and are expecting to see a deadly second wave. Let's pray they're wrong. Thanks for this Dave, you've provided links to Ivor Cummins before and it's very interesting but there's always a fundamental part to his theory that he never seems to explain ... I watched his presentation here twice and I even got Dee and Ben to watch it, in case they could 'get' the bit that I always fail to understand, sadly they didn't either. That being ... why? He refers to the pandemic having 'passed' several times but he doesn't (and in his presentations that I've seen before doesn't) explain why the pandemic has passed, what is he attributing the passing of the pandemic to? Is it less deadly now, is it due to social distancing measures being adopted, are we getting better at treating it, or is it actually due to something else entirely (which he kind of implies but never explains)? Also at the end, he says that many of the susceptible will already have died earlier in the year and I've seen him say before that the majority of people who would have died from the virus anyway, have now died from the virus but I don't understand the point that he is trying to make here (and I've asked this question on here before but not received a reply) ... what is he actually implying here, that people who were susceptible to the virus in the Spring are no longer susceptible to the virus now? Or, is he saying that there were many elderly people and people in at risk groups, who thought they were susceptible to the virus originally but in actual fact they weren't at risk at all because they already had some from of immunity to Covid all along? There's two really fundamental questions there, that I'm struggling with, do you know the answers to them? Cheers I don't think Cummins has ever hidden the fact that he believes the epidemic is over in Europe and other northern hemisphere countries because of herd immunity (or community immunity as he calls it). He points that out at the beginning of this video. There's no other reason I can think of why he believes it. He's very data and evidence driven. I particularly enjoyed this video about the curves in northern temperate regions like Italy and southern temperate ones like Brazil and Peru.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 14, 2020 20:15:42 GMT
Everything Trump has touched has gone bankrupt it should be expected. I have to admit I just don't get it. If someone can explain how and when that debt will seriously hit them hard I'd be very grateful for the insight. Well... Early next year. The first stage in the UK will be a massive rise in income tax and NI. Pension funds will be raided again. Council tax will go through the roof. Income support will be slashed to the bare minimum. NHS will be very quietly privatised into American or Chinese investment. Globalisation ... USA or China.. take your pick. Being in the EU gave us some degree of security. Not now.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Aug 14, 2020 20:17:10 GMT
Everything Trump has touched has gone bankrupt it should be expected. I have to admit I just don't get it. If someone can explain how and when that debt will seriously hit them hard I'd be very grateful for the insight. I am not an economist but I really don't see what your seconds in a year type point is? The USA GDP is over $21 trillion so whilst the debt is huge it doesn't appear unsurmountable, many countries like society as a whole exist using and maintaining credit, nobody here would think it unusual to have a mortgage several times that of your annual income. It wouldn't be the way I would choose to lead my life but to suggest it beckons the end of money would require a Starkiller shaped foil hat.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 14, 2020 20:33:37 GMT
Their is not strong evidence that the world economy is collapsing either , recession yes , Stock markets are at reasonable levels given the level of the shock , there has been a strong recovery in equities since April , China has reasonable data the principal debate in the USA is will it be a U or V shaped recovery . of course certain industries face life changing injuries noticeably travel and airlines hence Berkshire Hathaways airline exit . But right now some of the covid hysteria is not best answered by the alternative is economic armageddon there is volatility but not right now global catastrophe , so to say its one or the other isn't actually correct as ever there is a middle line and its that governments are trying to tread some more successfully than others id hasten to add Endless money printing can on result in 1 outcome, nearly all currencies will become worthless, A currency has to be finite in order for it to be of worth. So when you say there is signs of a recovery, this is just printed money appearing on balance sheets. The bank of England have recently touted the idea of negative interest rates ! Yes free money for those that are privy. This has never happened in history which should tell you the enormity of the financial collapse that is about to happen. There will be winners and loses for sure see apple and amazon v British airways but the fundamentals don’t support Armageddon or lockdown as the only alternatives some industries wont recover others will prosper
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Post by whatsashig on Aug 14, 2020 20:38:53 GMT
The national debt of USA is 24 trillion dollars. How, when and who is paying that back? To put that into perspective.. 1 million seconds equal 11 and 1/2 days. 1 billion seconds equal 31 and 3/4 years. 1 trillion seconds equal 31,710 years. Everything Trump has touched has gone bankrupt it should be expected. I don’t get how money/wealth works, it’s really strange. Way back in March someone mentioned south sea Pacific bubble there is more to controlling money than I will ever know, just want be good and respect folk that are good too, I find It an awful thought that some one or some thing is manipulating people for there own gain. Don’t get me wrong I like a cigar a fag too
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 14, 2020 20:55:39 GMT
I have to admit I just don't get it. If someone can explain how and when that debt will seriously hit them hard I'd be very grateful for the insight. I am not an economist but I really don't see what your seconds in a year type point is? The USA GDP is over $21 trillion so whilst the debt is huge it doesn't appear unsurmountable, many countries like society as a whole exist using and maintaining credit, nobody here would think it unusual to have a mortgage several times that of your annual income. It wouldn't be the way I would choose to lead my life but to suggest it beckons the end of money would require a Starkiller shaped foil hat. The point was to show the difference between a billion and a trillion as a number, that's all
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Post by starkiller on Aug 14, 2020 21:02:58 GMT
Maybe you should look again at the official narrative of Covid19 from the start if you want to see ridiculous. There is no official narrative. The real world has no narrative - it is a series of events which people with different views and perspectives try to understand. You are the one who appears to need an all encompassing narrative to make sense of the world - most people accept the fundamental chaotic nature of reality and accept that all explanations are partial and in many places inconsistent. Any attempt to come up with a definitive narrative is doomed to failure - it doesn't exist. You are not living in a novel. Months ago I said there is no test that can identify Covid19. The test is fundamentally flawed because it's not meant to check for infectious diseases. It's not what it should be used for. And if the inventor of it (who convenietly died in September 2019 just before Gates' Event 201) was alive he'd say the same. So the story of this novel virus also belongs in a novel. I also posted the link to the document from WHO that clearly states this is preplanned. A live simulation exercise. Page 39 - apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_annualreport_2019.pdf"The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two systemwide training and simulation exercises, including one covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen." Talking of novels. It was Mark Twain that said “Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.” There is much more of interest in this document. I've also posted other source documents that confirm preplanning. This is not conspiracy stuff, these are real documents that the world bodies involved in this stuff put out but people ignore. It's naive to ignore it.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 14, 2020 21:07:43 GMT
I have to admit I just don't get it. If someone can explain how and when that debt will seriously hit them hard I'd be very grateful for the insight. I am not an economist but I really don't see what your seconds in a year type point is? The USA GDP is over $21 trillion so whilst the debt is huge it doesn't appear unsurmountable, many countries like society as a whole exist using and maintaining credit, nobody here would think it unusual to have a mortgage several times that of your annual income. It wouldn't be the way I would choose to lead my life but to suggest it beckons the end of money would require a Starkiller shaped foil hat. Who suggested the end of money? Bizarre comment
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Aug 14, 2020 21:29:09 GMT
I am not an economist but I really don't see what your seconds in a year type point is? The USA GDP is over $21 trillion so whilst the debt is huge it doesn't appear unsurmountable, many countries like society as a whole exist using and maintaining credit, nobody here would think it unusual to have a mortgage several times that of your annual income. It wouldn't be the way I would choose to lead my life but to suggest it beckons the end of money would require a Starkiller shaped foil hat. Who suggested the end of money? Bizarre comment Sorry mate it was Imbula on the previous page that suggested the end of money not you. On the other point you can't link over 100 million people earning over $10 an hour to second's and year's That isn't context, not for me anyway.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 14, 2020 21:41:13 GMT
Who suggested the end of money? Bizarre comment Sorry mate it was Imbula on the previous page that suggested the end of money not you. On the other point you can't link over 100 million people earning over $10 an hour to second's and year's That isn't context, not for me anyway. Yeah OK, should have been clearer. initially I was wondering how and when America's debt would need to be paid, then after looking it up was staggered by what an insane number it is. Now you've mentioned their GDP it makes more sense. Cheers
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Post by Jimmyg on Aug 14, 2020 21:44:50 GMT
Endless money printing can on result in 1 outcome, nearly all currencies will become worthless, A currency has to be finite in order for it to be of worth. So when you say there is signs of a recovery, this is just printed money appearing on balance sheets. The bank of England have recently touted the idea of negative interest rates ! Yes free money for those that are privy. This has never happened in history which should tell you the enormity of the financial collapse that is about to happen. There will be winners and loses for sure see apple and amazon v British airways but the fundamentals don’t support Armageddon or lockdown as the only alternatives some industries wont recover others will prosper I 100% agree with you there will be winners and losers, Amazon will undoubtedly increase their market share. I'm not talking Armageddon by the way,it will just be a transfer of wealth from small to medium sized businesses to the major corporations of this world.but in order for this to happen they have to cause a down turn where by small to medium sized businesses will struggle to survive.With increased uncertainty they will have no option but to sell to the multinationals at a knock down price.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Aug 14, 2020 21:49:43 GMT
Sorry mate it was Imbula on the previous page that suggested the end of money not you. On the other point you can't link over 100 million people earning over $10 an hour to second's and year's That isn't context, not for me anyway. Yeah OK, should have been clearer. initially I was wondering how and when America's debt would need to be paid, then after looking it up was staggered by what an insane number it is. Now you've mentioned their GDP it makes more sense. Cheers It's a staggering debt I agree.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 14, 2020 21:58:16 GMT
There is no official narrative. The real world has no narrative - it is a series of events which people with different views and perspectives try to understand. You are the one who appears to need an all encompassing narrative to make sense of the world - most people accept the fundamental chaotic nature of reality and accept that all explanations are partial and in many places inconsistent. Any attempt to come up with a definitive narrative is doomed to failure - it doesn't exist. You are not living in a novel. Months ago I said there is no test that can identify Covid19. The test is fundamentally flawed because it's not meant to check for infectious diseases. It's not what it should be used for. And if the inventor of it (who conveniently died in September 2019 just before Gates' Event 201) was alive he'd say the same. So the story of this novel virus also belongs in a novel. What do you mean by 'conveniently' died? And how do you know that that's what he would say?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 22:00:54 GMT
Months ago I said there is no test that can identify Covid19. The test is fundamentally flawed because it's not meant to check for infectious diseases. It's not what it should be used for. And if the inventor of it (who conveniently died in September 2019 just before Gates' Event 201) was alive he'd say the same. So the story of this novel virus also belongs in a novel. I also posted the link to the document from WHO that clearly states this is preplanned. A live simulation exercise. Page 39 - apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_annualreport_2019.pdf"The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two systemwide training and simulation exercises, including one covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen." Talking of novels. It was Mark Twain that said “Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.” There is much more of interest in this document. I've also posted other source documents that confirm preplanning. This is not conspiracy stuff, these are real documents that the world bodies involved in this stuff put out but people ignore. It's naive to ignore it. What do you mean by 'conveniently' died? And how do you know that that's what he would say? Sounds pretty inconvenient to me, especially for the guy in question......
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Post by starkiller on Aug 14, 2020 22:11:32 GMT
What do you mean by 'conveniently' died? And how do you know that that's what he would say? Sounds pretty inconvenient to me, especially for the guy in question...... Before a simulation exercise in October 2019 that we are now living through. Still not willing to look at the exact wording from that WHO document from 2019 that tells you it's preplanned? And that's before we even get to Event 201. Agreed in 2005 by 194 out of 196 countries. Then we have Pompeo talking about a live exercise. And Trump says, you should have let us know' All the world's a stage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2020 22:32:12 GMT
Sounds pretty inconvenient to me, especially for the guy in question...... Before a simulation exercise in October 2019 that we are now living through. Still not willing to look at the exact wording from that WHO document from 2019 that tells you it's preplanned? And that's before we even get to Event 201. Agreed in 2005 by 194 out of 196 countries. Then we have Pompeo talking about a live exercise. And Trump says, you should have let us know' All the world's a stage. Mate, I've said this before, whilst I don't agree with a lot of what you're suggesting around Coronavirus I like your out of the box thinking and I have no issue with ripping up the MSM narrative and looking elsewhere for news. But it's 23:30 on a Friday night and my head hurts so if you don't mind I'll save it for another day.....
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Post by starkiller on Aug 14, 2020 22:38:05 GMT
Before a simulation exercise in October 2019 that we are now living through. Still not willing to look at the exact wording from that WHO document from 2019 that tells you it's preplanned? And that's before we even get to Event 201. Agreed in 2005 by 194 out of 196 countries. Then we have Pompeo talking about a live exercise. And Trump says, you should have let us know' All the world's a stage. Mate, I've said this before, whilst I don't agree with a lot of what you're suggesting around Coronavirus I like your out of the box thinking and I have no issue with ripping up the MSM narrative and looking elsewhere for news. But it's 23:30 on a Friday night and my head hurts so if you don't mind I'll save it for another day..... Of course not. It's Friday and I'm partaking in a few myself.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 14, 2020 23:03:35 GMT
Mate, I've said this before, whilst I don't agree with a lot of what you're suggesting around Coronavirus I like your out of the box thinking and I have no issue with ripping up the MSM narrative and looking elsewhere for news. But it's 23:30 on a Friday night and my head hurts so if you don't mind I'll save it for another day..... Of course not. It's Friday and I'm partaking in a few myself. Do you smoke weed pal?
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Post by questionable on Aug 14, 2020 23:18:09 GMT
Apparently seeing an increase in blood clotting in people who’ve got over the virus
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Post by starkiller on Aug 15, 2020 0:10:13 GMT
Of course not. It's Friday and I'm partaking in a few myself. Do you smoke weed pal? Ask this woman. I'm just reading from official UN/WHO documents. Maybe they were when they wrote it. Stated by 2020... "The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two systemwide training and simulation exercises, including one covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen."
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 15, 2020 0:16:08 GMT
Ask this woman. I'm just reading from official UN/WHO documents. Maybe they were when they wrote it. Stated by 2020... "The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two systemwide training and simulation exercises, including one covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen." In all seriousness the days of passing around a spliff might be long gone
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 15, 2020 0:21:35 GMT
Sounds pretty inconvenient to me, especially for the guy in question...... Before a simulation exercise in October 2019 that we are now living through. Still not willing to look at the exact wording from that WHO document from 2019 that tells you it's preplanned? And that's before we even get to Event 201. Agreed in 2005 by 194 out of 196 countries. Then we have Pompeo talking about a live exercise. And Trump says, you should have let us know' All the world's a stage. Is it frustrating or baffling to you that most people find “evidence” like this to be, at best, weak? Why do you think it is? Is it just that you’re more intelligent/perceptive/analytical than most people? That’s entirely possible, of course. I’m just wondering. It must be very like the experience of believing in a god and not understanding how his existence isn’t evident to everybody in everything we see.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 15, 2020 0:24:21 GMT
Ask this woman. I'm just reading from official UN/WHO documents. Maybe they were when they wrote it. Stated by 2020... "The United Nations (including WHO) conducts at least two systemwide training and simulation exercises, including one covering the deliberate release of a lethal respiratory pathogen." In all seriousness the days of passing around a spliff might be long gone "no more than eight people from a maximum of three different households should be gathering indoors. "And apart from children under 12 people from different households must stay two metres apart from each other, and you must wash hands and hard surfaces regularly. Reading that you could get two or three kids from the same household to pass the dutchie between participants.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 15, 2020 0:42:43 GMT
Before a simulation exercise in October 2019 that we are now living through. Still not willing to look at the exact wording from that WHO document from 2019 that tells you it's preplanned? And that's before we even get to Event 201. Agreed in 2005 by 194 out of 196 countries. Then we have Pompeo talking about a live exercise. And Trump says, you should have let us know' All the world's a stage. Is it frustrating or baffling to you that most people find “evidence” like this to be, at best, weak? Why do you think it is? Is it just that you’re more intelligent/perceptive/analytical than most people? That’s entirely possible, of course. I’m just wondering. It must be very like the experience of believing in a god and not understanding how his existence isn’t evident to everybody in everything we see. I don't find it baffling at all because I know I'm going out on a limb. But in my opinion there's clear evidence in a number of official documents that indicate more than just foresight. And I'll post more. But so contrary is this concept of the deep state to what is presented on BBC news that a shift in worldview is required for right or wrong. I respect other points of view but I'll defend to the right to have my position. Although I don't claim any greater knowledge and neither do I ever engage in personal abuse. Even though I take enough.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 15, 2020 0:44:26 GMT
In all seriousness the days of passing around a spliff might be long gone "no more than eight people from a maximum of three different households should be gathering indoors. "And apart from children under 12 people from different households must stay two metres apart from each other, and you must wash hands and hard surfaces regularly. Reading that you could get two or three kids from the same household to pass the dutchie between participants. Legalising pot could be a nice little earner for the government in these tough times tbf
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