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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 10, 2020 20:25:39 GMT
I might be being naive here but if it isn't a novel virus wouldn't it be a relatively straightforward process (in the right lab) to identify the fact for certain? Or has Starkiller been right all along? It's from the same family of viruses as SARS-COV and the common cold. It's looking likely that younger people who've had a corona virus before (i.e. the majority of people) could have some level of immunity to it because of a T-cell response (I'm saying that as though I know what it means, but I think it basically refers to a part of the immune system that can identify and kill infected cells even if the T Cell wasn't originally created to deal specifically with CV19). As you age your T cell response diminishes, hence CV19 has mainly killed people at or around the age that human beings generally die. This also explains why so many people catch CV19 and have no symptoms. So why did young(ish) and apparently healthy health workers suffer disproprtionately? Does 'viral load' trump T-Cell immunity? (I'm not expecting you to know btw).
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 10, 2020 21:29:12 GMT
I might be being naive here but if it isn't a novel virus wouldn't it be a relatively straightforward process (in the right lab) to identify the fact for certain? Or has Starkiller been right all along? I've asked that exact same question on here before SB. Your first question that is, not the second one obviously ...
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Post by starkiller on Aug 10, 2020 21:49:38 GMT
I might be being naive here but if it isn't a novel virus wouldn't it be a relatively straightforward process (in the right lab) to identify the fact for certain? Or has Starkiller been right all along? I've asked that exact same question on here before SB. Your first question that is, not the second one obviously ... Give me some concession. I said months ago that the daily death count was meaningless, and now these figures are totally discredited. We had folk discussing every last number, the whys, wherefores and maybes. Think of all those hours wasted, never to return. Not one acknowledgement that I was correct. I guess some folk will never shift from this narrative until the BBC airs an hour long special saying they've got it wrong...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 10, 2020 22:08:50 GMT
I've asked that exact same question on here before SB. Your first question that is, not the second one obviously ... Give me some concession. I said months ago that the daily death count was meaningless, and now these figures are totally discredited. We had folk discussing every last number, the whys, wherefores and maybes. Think of all those hours wasted, never to return. Not one acknowledgement that I was correct. I guess some folk will never shift from this narrative until the BBC airs an hour long special saying they've got it wrong... But you haven't been correct and you're not going to have even a chance of being correct, unless you answer the very simple questions, that you have been repeatedly asked by many posters and that you (without fail) always avoid answering. 1. Who is behind the Covid conspiracy? 2. What is in it for them? 3. Why are all the world's government complicit in this ruse? 4. And how are 'they' (whoever they are) managing to continue to keep everybody on side, without anybody breaking ranks, even though their individual economies continue to tank?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2020 22:40:42 GMT
I've asked that exact same question on here before SB. Your first question that is, not the second one obviously ... Give me some concession. I said months ago that the daily death count was meaningless, and now these figures are totally discredited. We had folk discussing every last number, the whys, wherefores and maybes. Think of all those hours wasted, never to return. Not one acknowledgement that I was correct. I guess some folk will never shift from this narrative until the BBC airs an hour long special saying they've got it wrong... 48000 excess deaths is it. Weirdo
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 11, 2020 0:09:22 GMT
Interesting stuff. Supporting the idea that it isn't a 'novel' virus and that managed herd immunity was the right plan. By the time a vaccine is available many countries could have already achieved it. Edit: and the conspiracy theory is one I could get behind. Big pharma lobby like no other industry and they'll be seeing this as all their Christmases come at once. Dr Todaro is a physician turned investment manager on the quininine cure bandwagon. The T Cell immunity theory is certainly viable but I would like to see the considered view if the scientific community rather than from someone whose primary aim is to make a fast buck out of the Covid pandemic. www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87797They look like a pro Trump group to me. I would rather trust my own common sense.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 11, 2020 4:21:40 GMT
I've asked that exact same question on here before SB. Your first question that is, not the second one obviously ... Give me some concession. I said months ago that the daily death count was meaningless, and now these figures are totally discredited. We had folk discussing every last number, the whys, wherefores and maybes. Think of all those hours wasted, never to return. Not one acknowledgement that I was correct. I guess some folk will never shift from this narrative until the BBC airs an hour long special saying they've got it wrong... Excess deaths show that the government under-reported total death numbers.
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Post by mtrstudent on Aug 11, 2020 4:38:50 GMT
Just spoke to my American gf. Sounds like the hospital stripped staff from the wards to cover the multiple emergency ICUs they opened so Drs and nurses have more patients than normally allowed. One patient rooms are doubled up, causing logistical problems and a California friend said sometimes fuckups mean infected and non-infected patients share rooms in her hospital. On top of that patients that would usually get ICU care can't go, unless they absolutely need the full throat tube and ventilator setup: BoJo wouldn't have made it to the ICU in Arizona, so the patients are sicker than normal and need extra checkups & care.
She just finished her first ICU shift in an ICU that's usually ~60% empty but is now 60% covid patients on ventilators. Apparently all the covid patients are so similar that the docs have to do a lot of extra work to make sure everything is in order, double and triple checking more intently than normal.
Her last "on" week was just over 110 hours.
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Post by Timmypotter on Aug 11, 2020 5:38:54 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Aug 11, 2020 5:42:55 GMT
Give me some concession. I said months ago that the daily death count was meaningless, and now these figures are totally discredited. We had folk discussing every last number, the whys, wherefores and maybes. Think of all those hours wasted, never to return. Not one acknowledgement that I was correct. I guess some folk will never shift from this narrative until the BBC airs an hour long special saying they've got it wrong... 48000 excess deaths is it. Weirdo Even very conservative estimates say that lockdown deaths are 16,000. I'd suggest it's significantly more. Add in infirmicide and multiple counts of deaths and it doesn't take much to hit that figure. So stop the obsession with it.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 11, 2020 7:11:26 GMT
Give me some concession. I said months ago that the daily death count was meaningless, and now these figures are totally discredited. We had folk discussing every last number, the whys, wherefores and maybes. Think of all those hours wasted, never to return. Not one acknowledgement that I was correct. I guess some folk will never shift from this narrative until the BBC airs an hour long special saying they've got it wrong... But you haven't been correct and you're not going to have even a chance of being correct, unless you answer the very simple questions, that you have been repeatedly asked by many posters and that you (without fail) always avoid answering. 1. Who is behind the Covid conspiracy? 2. What is in it for them? 3. Why are all the world's government complicit in this ruse? 4. And how are 'they' (whoever they are) managing to continue to keep everybody on side, without anybody breaking ranks, even though their individual economies continue to tank? And 5. How did they get Donald Trump to sign up to do something which is quite possibly going to see him booted out of office? Same with every thread Starkiller's conspiracy theories appear on, which is most of them. If 100% of the sum of all the knowledge about the current pandemic was available and 5% of it pointed towards inconsistency, wrong or contradictory data, that would be evidence for conspiracy in Starkiller and Salopstick world. It's just the way their minds appear to work on stuff like this. And it's precisely the kind of thinking which leads to anti-vaxxers and the resurgence of measles as a childhood illness.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 11, 2020 7:26:51 GMT
Give me some concession. I said months ago that the daily death count was meaningless, and now these figures are totally discredited. We had folk discussing every last number, the whys, wherefores and maybes. Think of all those hours wasted, never to return. Not one acknowledgement that I was correct. I guess some folk will never shift from this narrative until the BBC airs an hour long special saying they've got it wrong... But you haven't been correct and you're not going to have even a chance of being correct, unless you answer the very simple questions, that you have been repeatedly asked by many posters and that you (without fail) always avoid answering. 1. Who is behind the Covid conspiracy? 2. What is in it for them? 3. Why are all the world's government complicit in this ruse? 4. And how are 'they' (whoever they are) managing to continue to keep everybody on side, without anybody breaking ranks, even though their individual economies continue to tank? I've given answers before. In many ways, it's not immediately relevant. What is relevant is that the covid19 narrative presented by the media is not as it appears. And this has been shown in numerous ways. You don't refuse to acknowledge a crime simply because you cannot currently clearly establish the exact motive and culprit.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 11, 2020 7:28:04 GMT
Asymptomatic - another way to say there is nothing wrong with them. The test is the problem.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 11, 2020 7:31:44 GMT
But you haven't been correct and you're not going to have even a chance of being correct, unless you answer the very simple questions, that you have been repeatedly asked by many posters and that you (without fail) always avoid answering. 1. Who is behind the Covid conspiracy? 2. What is in it for them? 3. Why are all the world's government complicit in this ruse? 4. And how are 'they' (whoever they are) managing to continue to keep everybody on side, without anybody breaking ranks, even though their individual economies continue to tank? I've given answers before. In many ways, it's not immediately relevant. What is relevant is that the covid19 narrative presented by the media is not as it appears. And this has been shown in numerous ways. You don't refuse to acknowledge a crime simply because you cannot currently clearly establish the exact motive and culprit. You say that but you absolutely haven't. So, for all of us, have a go at the four questions above if you would plus mine about Trump. If you can, I'm sure many folk will ease off on the conspiracy bollocks accusations.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 11, 2020 7:37:03 GMT
I've given answers before. In many ways, it's not immediately relevant. What is relevant is that the covid19 narrative presented by the media is not as it appears. And this has been shown in numerous ways. You don't refuse to acknowledge a crime simply because you cannot currently clearly establish the exact motive and culprit. You say that but you absolutely haven't. So, for all of us, have a go at the four questions above if you would plus mine about Trump. If you can, I'm sure many folk will ease off on the conspiracy bollocks accusations. And, yes, I've given a few suggestions on a number of occasions. Do you know exactly, 100 percent, where this virus came from? No you don't. There's a collection of theories. So using your argument, I demand you to tell me exactly which one is correct and where exactly it came from. Otherwise, it's all bollocks isn't it, if we are to use your line of reasoning?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 7:49:25 GMT
48000 excess deaths is it. Weirdo Even very conservative estimates say that lockdown deaths are 16,000. I'd suggest it's significantly more. Add in infirmicide and multiple counts of deaths and it doesn't take much to hit that figure. So stop the obsession with it. So to be clear multiple death certificates are being issued to inflate the number of excess deaths? That’s some claim.....
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Post by starkiller on Aug 11, 2020 7:51:30 GMT
Even very conservative estimates say that lockdown deaths are 16,000. I'd suggest it's significantly more. Add in infirmicide and multiple counts of deaths and it doesn't take much to hit that figure. So stop the obsession with it. So to be clear multiple death certificates are being issued to inflate the number of excess deaths? That’s some claim..... I didn't claim that. But deaths have been counted more than once in the statistics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 8:02:03 GMT
So to be clear multiple death certificates are being issued to inflate the number of excess deaths? That’s some claim..... I didn't claim that. But deaths have been counted more than once in the statistics. I’m not talking about the statistics that can be manipulated, I’m talking about the 65,000 actual additional deaths over a 3 month period. If you’re attributing 16,000 to the effects of lockdown what about the other 49,000? This data is complied using death certificates, there’s no ambiguity. So if you’re not saying they’re issuing multiple death certificates what are you saying?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 11, 2020 8:36:30 GMT
Dr Todaro is a physician turned investment manager on the quininine cure bandwagon. The T Cell immunity theory is certainly viable but I would like to see the considered view if the scientific community rather than from someone whose primary aim is to make a fast buck out of the Covid pandemic. www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87797They look like a pro Trump group to me. I would rather trust my own common sense. I'm just a bit surprised Dr Nick isn't on their payroll..
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 11, 2020 8:36:50 GMT
But you haven't been correct and you're not going to have even a chance of being correct, unless you answer the very simple questions, that you have been repeatedly asked by many posters and that you (without fail) always avoid answering. 1. Who is behind the Covid conspiracy? 2. What is in it for them? 3. Why are all the world's government complicit in this ruse? 4. And how are 'they' (whoever they are) managing to continue to keep everybody on side, without anybody breaking ranks, even though their individual economies continue to tank? I've given answers before. In many ways, it's not immediately relevant. What is relevant is that the covid19 narrative presented by the media is not as it appears. And this has been shown in numerous ways. You don't refuse to acknowledge a crime simply because you cannot currently clearly establish the exact motive and culprit. No you don't - but you do start by establishing that a crime has actually been committed. You haven't convinced anyone of that yet. Anyway - I've asked you those questions that Paul listed previously (six times!) on the basis of what you THINK is behind it all. On each and every occasion you have failed to answer. I can only reasonably conclude therefore that you don't actually THINK but rather just parrot shite put out there by other nutjobs. So - yet again - would you like to tell tell us what you THINK. Come on - the floor's yours - we're hanging on every word.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 11, 2020 9:09:23 GMT
Come on, Starkiller, answer the questions once and for all.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 11, 2020 9:28:25 GMT
I've given answers before. In many ways, it's not immediately relevant. What is relevant is that the covid19 narrative presented by the media is not as it appears. And this has been shown in numerous ways. You don't refuse to acknowledge a crime simply because you cannot currently clearly establish the exact motive and culprit. No you don't - but you do start by establishing that a crime has actually been committed. You haven't convinced anyone of that yet. Anyway - I've asked you those questions that Paul listed previously (six times!) on the basis of what you THINK is behind it all. On each and every occasion you have failed to answer. I can only reasonably conclude therefore that you don't actually THINK but rather just parrot shite put out there by other nutjobs. So - yet again - would you like to tell tell us what you THINK. Come on - the floor's yours - we're hanging on every word. If I was just parroting nutjobs then I'd give you a definitive answer. And I haven't failed to answer previously. I've provided source documentation from the world economic forum about the 'great reset'. Source documentation from Gates, etc 'Event 201', and source documentation from Rockefeller Lockstep. Amongst some of that lot there may be some relevant information.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 11, 2020 9:40:50 GMT
No you don't - but you do start by establishing that a crime has actually been committed. You haven't convinced anyone of that yet. Anyway - I've asked you those questions that Paul listed previously (six times!) on the basis of what you THINK is behind it all. On each and every occasion you have failed to answer. I can only reasonably conclude therefore that you don't actually THINK but rather just parrot shite put out there by other nutjobs. So - yet again - would you like to tell tell us what you THINK. Come on - the floor's yours - we're hanging on every word. If I was just parroting nutjobs then I'd give you a definitive answer. I guess that depends which nutjobs you've been reading doesn't it? Either way it seems you still can't think.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 11, 2020 9:44:23 GMT
If I was just parroting nutjobs then I'd give you a definitive answer. I guess that depends which nutjobs you've been reading doesn't it? Either way it seems you still can't think. I can think very well thanks. That's why when a narrative unravels I don't continue in a trance. There's folk who continued to present and analyse official data, even when it's been shown to be bullshit. Now that's unthinking cognitive dissonance. The idea that I don't think simply because my opinion doesn't tally with official narrative is ludicrous.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 11, 2020 10:01:46 GMT
I guess that depends which nutjobs you've been reading doesn't it? Either way it seems you still can't think. I can think very well thanks. That's why when a narrative unravels I don't continue in a trance. There's folk who continued to present and analyse official data, even when it's been shown to be bullshit. Now that's unthinking cognitive dissonance. Yeah - whatever. Your narrative has remained pretty constant - a fake virus which is being manipulated by some shadowy cohort of 'globalists' intent on imposing a totalitarian rule across the world. When asked who?, how? and why? - you consistently refuse to answer - reason neing that it would be exactly the point at which your narrative would unravel because that's the point that even you would have to admit that it was complete and utter bollocks. I've no idea whether you're a fantasist, paranoid or just a rather sad attention seeker - but unless you're willing to sincerely engage (which you are not) with people who are intersted in exploring your theories then the one thing you certainly are is a waste of fucking time. If others want to carry on with you thats up to them - but I'm out before I get accused of online bullying someone in the 'vulnerable' category.
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Post by Davef on Aug 11, 2020 10:05:06 GMT
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Post by yeokel on Aug 11, 2020 10:24:00 GMT
No you don't - but you do start by establishing that a crime has actually been committed. You haven't convinced anyone of that yet. Anyway - I've asked you those questions that Paul listed previously (six times!) on the basis of what you THINK is behind it all. On each and every occasion you have failed to answer. I can only reasonably conclude therefore that you don't actually THINK but rather just parrot shite put out there by other nutjobs. So - yet again - would you like to tell tell us what you THINK. Come on - the floor's yours - we're hanging on every word. If I was just parroting nutjobs then I'd give you a definitive answer. And I haven't failed to answer previously. I've provided source documentation from the world economic forum about the 'great reset'. Source documentation from Gates, etc 'Event 201', and source documentation from Rockefeller Lockstep. Amongst some of that lot there may be some relevant information. " Amongst some of that lot there may be some relevant information" Laughable. You've provided links, you say, but you don't actually know what's in them or whether they are relevant to your conspiracy theory or not? So you're no better than that other clown, Huddy, then? You can provide links to other people's opinions and stories, but cannot even be bothered to write your own version, your own opinion, or enter a reasoned debate about what you may write. As I said to Huddy the other day, " Please excuse me while I laugh....... Ho, ho ho"!
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 11, 2020 10:29:57 GMT
shocking
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 11, 2020 10:31:13 GMT
If I was just parroting nutjobs then I'd give you a definitive answer. And I haven't failed to answer previously. I've provided source documentation from the world economic forum about the 'great reset'. Source documentation from Gates, etc 'Event 201', and source documentation from Rockefeller Lockstep. Amongst some of that lot there may be some relevant information. " Amongst some of that lot there may be some relevant information" Laughable. You've provided links, you say, but you don't actually know what's in them or whether they are relevant to your conspiracy theory or not? So you're no better than that other clown, Huddy, then? You can provide links to other people's opinions and stories, but cannot even be bothered to write your own version, your own opinion, or enter a reasoned debate about what you may write. As I said to Huddy the other day, " Please excuse me while I laugh....... Ho, ho ho"! I quote stuff that I feel is relevant, you clown.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 11, 2020 10:38:31 GMT
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