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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 8, 2020 14:22:51 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Aug 8, 2020 15:49:15 GMT
Cock up? Labelling unrelated deaths Covid19? You're using mental gymnastics to maintain religious belief bun this narrative. And this is only one of many inconsistencies, absurdities and plotholes. Inconsistency, absurdity and plotholes are the hallmarks of a cock up. If you want to understand the real world think cock up - global conspiracies are really hard to pull off. Except in novels. Of course, it's a matter of opinion. But deliberately writing 'covid 19' on death certificates for those who haven't died of it is not 'cock-up', it's fraudulent. Then silencing professionals who speak out. fee.org/articles/physicians-say-hospitals-are-pressuring-er-docs-to-list-covid-19-on-death-certificates-here-s-why/
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 8, 2020 16:02:20 GMT
To be honest I can believe that might be happening but the issue here, as the article states, is good old fashioned cooking the books, not some global conspiracy. To my knowledge issues in the UK are down to the rules defined by PHE rather than financial corruption so again nothing to do with a global conspiracy. Hopefully the government investigation will come out some time soon.
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Post by DrGonzo on Aug 8, 2020 16:03:09 GMT
That’s not really what’s happening here though. A standard death certificate has ‘cause of death’ followed by ‘conditions leading to cause’ followed by ‘other significant conditions’ . I’ve seen death certificates with dozens of conditions written on, especially for causes such as heart failure etc. The problem is PHE, in absense of any consideration for a more effective measurement, just decided to count anything even mentioning Covid-19, and basically left it at that.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 8, 2020 16:07:59 GMT
To be honest I can believe that might be happening but the issue here, as the article states, is good old fashioned cooking the books, not some global conspiracy. To my knowledge issues in the UK are down to the rules defined by PHE rather than financial corruption so again nothing to do with a global conspiracy. Hopefully the government investigation will come out some time soon. But the fact is that even if you believe in the whole shamboozle, it's never been anything other than 'acceptable risk'. And nowhere near justifying the last six months. There's more chance of finding an attractive toilet attendant than suffering covid 1984.
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Post by Davef on Aug 8, 2020 16:11:58 GMT
That’s not really what’s happening here though. A standard death certificate has ‘cause of death’ followed by ‘conditions leading to cause’ followed by ‘other significant conditions’ . I’ve seen death certificates with dozens of conditions written on, especially for causes such as heart failure etc. The problem is PHE, in absense of any consideration for a more effective measurement, just decided to count anything even mentioning Covid-19, and basically left it at that. The last death certificate I saw had a section (No. 9) reserved for "Cause of Death". Nothing else.
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Post by essexstokey on Aug 8, 2020 16:13:19 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 8, 2020 16:14:53 GMT
To be honest I can believe that might be happening but the issue here, as the article states, is good old fashioned cooking the books, not some global conspiracy. To my knowledge issues in the UK are down to the rules defined by PHE rather than financial corruption so again nothing to do with a global conspiracy. Hopefully the government investigation will come out some time soon. But the fact is that even if you believe in the whole shamboozle, it's never been anything other than 'acceptable risk'. And nowhere near justifying the last six months. There's more chance of finding an attractive toilet attendant than suffering covid 1984. You've got me there - I can't find the ONS figures for attractive toilets attendants.
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Post by Davef on Aug 8, 2020 16:48:19 GMT
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 8, 2020 17:14:10 GMT
Bird flu, zika etc Another scaremongering story? Gotta love a trier.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 8, 2020 17:34:38 GMT
Bird flu, zika etc Another scaremongering story? Gotta love a trier. He was correct. Me and the Mrs are in Croatia. Very quiet without the BBC bedwetters here. Their loss. Sod the travel disruption, masks, social-distancing, lockdown bullshit. Oh, and the return quarantine, chuckle... Cheers. Enjoying the last bit of liberty before the lemmings chuck it all away.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 8, 2020 18:29:09 GMT
He was correct. Me and the Mrs are in Croatia. Very quiet without the BBC bedwetters here. Their loss. Sod the travel disruption, masks, social-distancing, lockdown bullshit. Oh, and the return quarantine, chuckle... Cheers. Enjoying the last bit of liberty before the lemmings chuck it all away. Buy your Mrs a drink from me please mate
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Post by starkiller on Aug 8, 2020 19:17:36 GMT
He was correct. Me and the Mrs are in Croatia. Very quiet without the BBC bedwetters here. Their loss. Sod the travel disruption, masks, social-distancing, lockdown bullshit. Oh, and the return quarantine, chuckle... Cheers. Enjoying the last bit of liberty before the lemmings chuck it all away. Buy your Mrs a drink from me please mate She says thanks, but she can't get it through the mask 😜
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 8, 2020 19:22:33 GMT
Buy your Mrs a drink from me please mate She says thanks, but she can't get it through the mask 😜 Haha!.... I'm sure you can give her a straw-man x
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 8, 2020 19:27:48 GMT
New Jersey has a population density x20 of that in Sweden so she's not exactly comparing like with like. New Zealand and Taiwan have eliminated Covid using lockdown and virtual lockdown respectively. To date there is no scientific evidence that herd immunity for Covid would work as it has not been arround long enough to reach that conclusion. It may be valid or it may not - that will become apparent in 3-5 years time. Admittedly NZ and Taiwan's problems may re-occur when they re-open the borders but they have the advantage of starting from a low base. Nonetheless I found nothing in the article other than anecdotes to support her thesis that lockdowns 'don't work'.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Aug 8, 2020 19:34:23 GMT
He was correct. Me and the Mrs are in Croatia. Very quiet without the BBC bedwetters here. Their loss. Sod the travel disruption, masks, social-distancing, lockdown bullshit. Oh, and the return quarantine, chuckle... Cheers. Enjoying the last bit of liberty before the lemmings chuck it all away. BBC bedwetters? We're the lucky ones - all we've got to worry about is staying clear of a fake virus. You - on other hand - have got to keep looking over your shoulder. Just because the globist bogeyman haven't managed to dupe you over this one they're not going to stop trying you know. Just you be careful out there - and remember - don't trust ANYONE!!!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 8, 2020 20:12:26 GMT
Rubbish. Sweden has 10 times more deaths than Norway and Finland. We've got enough with Starkiller and his fake virus nonsense without you going on about lockdowns not working. How many people dying from the virus is acceptable to you out of interest?
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Post by salopstick on Aug 8, 2020 21:25:47 GMT
Bird flu, zika etc Another scaremongering story? Gotta love a trier. The media have been disgraceful throughout So the answer to my initial question is partly correct. Highlight the lows gloss over the highs. Still going on now as it did throughout.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 8, 2020 21:41:09 GMT
The media have been disgraceful throughout So the answer to my initial question is partly correct. Highlight the lows gloss over the highs. Still going on now as it did throughout. You think it's the media that have been disgraceful? Fucking hell son.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 8, 2020 21:58:24 GMT
The media have been disgraceful throughout So the answer to my initial question is partly correct. Highlight the lows gloss over the highs. Still going on now as it did throughout. You think it's the media that have been disgraceful? Fucking hell son. Today's media slating people for going to the beach. What is this? Jaws?
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Post by Gods on Aug 8, 2020 22:15:42 GMT
'Don't Kill Granny'
Is that a working public health message for young people?
I'm not convinced it will hit the mark!
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Post by Davef on Aug 8, 2020 22:21:22 GMT
Rubbish. Sweden has 10 times more deaths than Norway and Finland. We've got enough with Starkiller and his fake virus nonsense without you going on about lockdowns not working. How many people dying from the virus is acceptable to you out of interest? What kind of question is that? Stop being a knob.
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Post by Timmypotter on Aug 8, 2020 22:23:26 GMT
Rubbish. Sweden has 10 times more deaths than Norway and Finland. We've got enough with Starkiller and his fake virus nonsense without you going on about lockdowns not working. How many people dying from the virus is acceptable to you out of interest? What kind of question is that? Stop being a knob. Answer the question and stop obfuscating. Don't you remember the good old days before the corona virus when people used to live forever!
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Post by salopstick on Aug 8, 2020 22:29:03 GMT
Rubbish. Sweden has 10 times more deaths than Norway and Finland. We've got enough with Starkiller and his fake virus nonsense without you going on about lockdowns not working. How many people dying from the virus is acceptable to you out of interest? Less when loads are incorrectly recorded as covid deaths Is this acceptable as a result of covid to you? People dying because they can’t get treatment or new diagnosis The effects from poverty Mental health and well being Thousands of jobs and business gone Incoming austerity after covid Loss of civil liberties
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 8, 2020 23:34:53 GMT
Rubbish. Sweden has 10 times more deaths than Norway and Finland. We've got enough with Starkiller and his fake virus nonsense without you going on about lockdowns not working. How many people dying from the virus is acceptable to you out of interest? Less when loads are incorrectly recorded as covid deaths Is this acceptable as a result of covid to you? People dying because they can’t get treatment or new diagnosis The effects from poverty Mental health and well being Thousands of jobs and business gone Incoming austerity after covid Loss of civil liberties You have no idea how many incorrectly recorded cases there are. I'm talking about people acting sensibly and following the scientific guidelines, if people follow the guidelines then there will be less requirement for lockdowns and the subsequent hit to the economy and all the things you mention. The more blasé people are like yourself the more chance of us getting back into lockdown there is. The government can't just let a virus run riot, the people en mass just won't allow uncontrolled deaths to happen so the more we act responsibly and take this seriously to keep cases down the best for everyone.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 8, 2020 23:40:58 GMT
Less when loads are incorrectly recorded as covid deaths Is this acceptable as a result of covid to you? People dying because they can’t get treatment or new diagnosis The effects from poverty Mental health and well being Thousands of jobs and business gone Incoming austerity after covid Loss of civil liberties You have no idea how many incorrectly recorded cases there are. I'm talking about people acting sensibly and following the scientific guidelines, if people follow the guidelines then there will be less requirement for lockdowns and the subsequent hit to the economy and all the things you mention. The more blasé people are like yourself the more chance of us getting back into lockdown there is. The government can't just let a virus run riot, the people en mass just won't allow uncontrolled deaths to happen so the more we act responsibly and take this seriously to keep cases down the best for everyone. It’s fucking odd. Angry middle aged men that should know better.
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Post by salopstick on Aug 9, 2020 6:09:54 GMT
Less when loads are incorrectly recorded as covid deaths Is this acceptable as a result of covid to you? People dying because they can’t get treatment or new diagnosis The effects from poverty Mental health and well being Thousands of jobs and business gone Incoming austerity after covid Loss of civil liberties You have no idea how many incorrectly recorded cases there are. I'm talking about people acting sensibly and following the scientific guidelines, if people follow the guidelines then there will be less requirement for lockdowns and the subsequent hit to the economy and all the things you mention. The more blasé people are like yourself the more chance of us getting back into lockdown there is. The government can't just let a virus run riot, the people en mass just won't allow uncontrolled deaths to happen so the more we act responsibly and take this seriously to keep cases down the best for everyone. Well you’ve acknowledged the wrongly recorded deaths And your blasé about the other outcomes which are far worse than covid
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Post by salopstick on Aug 9, 2020 6:10:55 GMT
You have no idea how many incorrectly recorded cases there are. I'm talking about people acting sensibly and following the scientific guidelines, if people follow the guidelines then there will be less requirement for lockdowns and the subsequent hit to the economy and all the things you mention. The more blasé people are like yourself the more chance of us getting back into lockdown there is. The government can't just let a virus run riot, the people en mass just won't allow uncontrolled deaths to happen so the more we act responsibly and take this seriously to keep cases down the best for everyone. It’s fucking odd. Angry middle aged men that should know better. Another one that doesn’t understand the after effects
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 9, 2020 6:37:55 GMT
You have no idea how many incorrectly recorded cases there are. I'm talking about people acting sensibly and following the scientific guidelines, if people follow the guidelines then there will be less requirement for lockdowns and the subsequent hit to the economy and all the things you mention. The more blasé people are like yourself the more chance of us getting back into lockdown there is. The government can't just let a virus run riot, the people en mass just won't allow uncontrolled deaths to happen so the more we act responsibly and take this seriously to keep cases down the best for everyone. It’s fucking odd. Angry middle aged men that should know better. You forgot terrified.
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Post by starkiller on Aug 9, 2020 7:20:26 GMT
He was correct. Me and the Mrs are in Croatia. Very quiet without the BBC bedwetters here. Their loss. Sod the travel disruption, masks, social-distancing, lockdown bullshit. Oh, and the return quarantine, chuckle... Cheers. Enjoying the last bit of liberty before the lemmings chuck it all away. BBC bedwetters? We're the lucky ones - all we've got to worry about is staying clear of a fake virus. You - on other hand - have got to keep looking over your shoulder. Just because the globist bogeyman haven't managed to dupe you over this one they're not going to stop trying you know. Just you be careful out there - and remember - don't trust ANYONE!!! Actually I'm very relaxed as I watch this nonsense unfold. So relaxed that I'm enjoying a beautiful holiday. Whilst the fearful are masked and gloved and hiding at the end of a shopping aisle and slating anyone who dares go out and enjoy themselves.
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