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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2020 16:43:13 GMT
Tbf though have you seen the video from the pub in Stone? I know the pubs are open but why are those people there? Why would you put yourself in that scenario? Then you see some on the Sentinel blaming the management of the pub. Now they aren't free of blame of course and indeed should be heavily sanctioned but at the end of the day those people had the choice not to enter that pub and that situation. I don't like the government but the rules are there and if people break them then what can you do? If you take an area like Trafford which is one of the areas affected by the new laws introduced last night, 57% of new cases are people aged 25 or under. A lot of people just don't care anymore, especially younger ones because if they get it, (they believe) it's not going to be a big deal anyway. The other night in a pub where I live it was 4 deep at the bar, for so many people now, lockdown is over ... totally and completely. Yup. It's so frustrating. I just hope this will be the kick up the arse they need but I doubt it will be. It's an attitude I don't get and even when I was that age I don't think I would have had it. The rules that the government had set were too lax for me anyway but people can't even stick to that. Makes me mad.
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 31, 2020 16:52:19 GMT
Tbf though have you seen the video from the pub in Stone? I know the pubs are open but why are those people there? Why would you put yourself in that scenario? Then you see some on the Sentinel blaming the management of the pub. Now they aren't free of blame of course and indeed should be heavily sanctioned but at the end of the day those people had the choice not to enter that pub and that situation. I don't like the government but the rules are there and if people break them then what can you do? If you take an area like Trafford which is one of the areas affected by the new laws introduced last night, 57% of new cases are people aged 25 or under. A lot of people just don't care anymore, especially younger ones because if they get it, (they believe) it's not going to be a big deal anyway. The other night in a pub where I live it was 4 deep at the bar, for so many people now, lockdown is over ... totally and completely. So infection rate will start to increase, followed by the death rate, followed by ............. Fill in the rest yourself.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 31, 2020 16:58:40 GMT
If you take an area like Trafford which is one of the areas affected by the new laws introduced last night, 57% of new cases are people aged 25 or under. A lot of people just don't care anymore, especially younger ones because if they get it, (they believe) it's not going to be a big deal anyway. The other night in a pub where I live it was 4 deep at the bar, for so many people now, lockdown is over ... totally and completely. Yup. It's so frustrating. I just hope this will be the kick up the arse they need but I doubt it will be. It's an attitude I don't get and even when I was that age I don't think I would have had it. The rules that the government had set were too lax for me anyway but people can't even stick to that. Makes me mad. Tbh it’s not just the young, a lot of older people 65+ don’t have a clue when it comes to distancing
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jul 31, 2020 17:03:02 GMT
Yep, it’s been shit, it’s still shit and it’s about to get shitter again. Lovely
Great news we’re not letting Spain get away with an increase on their own, the UK want a piece of that action, we’ll done We’re having our own increase. 😞
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Post by Davef on Jul 31, 2020 17:09:55 GMT
If you take an area like Trafford which is one of the areas affected by the new laws introduced last night, 57% of new cases are people aged 25 or under. A lot of people just don't care anymore, especially younger ones because if they get it, (they believe) it's not going to be a big deal anyway. The other night in a pub where I live it was 4 deep at the bar, for so many people now, lockdown is over ... totally and completely. So infection rate will start to increase, followed by the death rate, followed by ............. Fill in the rest yourself. oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6868728/thread
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 31, 2020 17:18:06 GMT
Tbf though have you seen the video from the pub in Stone? I know the pubs are open but why are those people there? Why would you put yourself in that scenario? Then you see some on the Sentinel blaming the management of the pub. Now they aren't free of blame of course and indeed should be heavily sanctioned but at the end of the day those people had the choice not to enter that pub and that situation. I don't like the government but the rules are there and if people break them then what can you do? If you take an area like Trafford which is one of the areas affected by the new laws introduced last night, 57% of new cases are people aged 25 or under. A lot of people just don't care anymore, especially younger ones because if they get it, (they believe) it's not going to be a big deal anyway. The other night in a pub where I live it was 4 deep at the bar, for so many people now, lockdown is over ... totally and completely. To suggest that different family groups meeting independently in most bars and restaurants will be any safer than meeting in their own home and gardens is errant nonsense and the way it's been implemented, I'm afraid, has sinister overtones
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 31, 2020 17:52:41 GMT
Tbf though have you seen the video from the pub in Stone? I know the pubs are open but why are those people there? Why would you put yourself in that scenario? Then you see some on the Sentinel blaming the management of the pub. Now they aren't free of blame of course and indeed should be heavily sanctioned but at the end of the day those people had the choice not to enter that pub and that situation. I don't like the government but the rules are there and if people break them then what can you do? If you take an area like Trafford which is one of the areas affected by the new laws introduced last night, 57% of new cases are people aged 25 or under. A lot of people just don't care anymore, especially younger ones because if they get it, (they believe) it's not going to be a big deal anyway. The other night in a pub where I live it was 4 deep at the bar, for so many people now, lockdown is over ... totally and completely. Can you confirm whether they were Asian or not? Just for Chad and Waggy's benefit!.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 31, 2020 18:13:43 GMT
If you take an area like Trafford which is one of the areas affected by the new laws introduced last night, 57% of new cases are people aged 25 or under. A lot of people just don't care anymore, especially younger ones because if they get it, (they believe) it's not going to be a big deal anyway. The other night in a pub where I live it was 4 deep at the bar, for so many people now, lockdown is over ... totally and completely. To suggest that different family groups meeting independently in most bars and restaurants will be any safer than meeting in their own home and gardens is errant nonsense and the way it's been implemented, I'm afraid, has sinister overtones They are just putting measures in place which they can try to keep the economy going whilst bringing the number of cases down. People are likely catching the virus in pubs and taking it to their bubbles but stopping people meeting at home doesn't hurt the economy. It might work as part of their plan going forward but what next closing parks? Stopping travel outside of local areas? It's safe to say it's all about money from here.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 31, 2020 18:36:05 GMT
To suggest that different family groups meeting independently in most bars and restaurants will be any safer than meeting in their own home and gardens is errant nonsense and the way it's been implemented, I'm afraid, has sinister overtones They are just putting measures in place which they can try to keep the economy going whilst bringing the number of cases down. People are likely catching the virus in pubs and taking it to their bubbles but stopping people meeting at home doesn't hurt the economy. It might work as part of their plan going forward but what next closing parks? Stopping travel outside of local areas? It's safe to say it's all about money from here. I wouldn't like to have to make the calls on this, it's a tough spot. It sounds cynical if you just see it as a money thing, but keeping as many people working as possible will also save lives and improve lives. Listened to some interviews with a barber in Atlanta the other day. He started off trying to work while keeping everything safe but it meant a lot of work for a couple of customers an hour. He wasn't sure how long he could keep that up, it's a nightmare for a lot of people.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 31, 2020 18:40:50 GMT
Not in Manchester that I’m aware of, the surrounding areas and Salford yes but not Manchester. Manchester mayor Andy Burnham seemed very much in favour of the measures being taken... He did but it’s disingenuous to suggest this has been on the cards for a while. It’s been reported that Blackburn has had an issue for a while, I live significantly closer to Stoke than Blackburn from my position in South Manchester.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 31, 2020 18:42:08 GMT
It's an endemic virus, without severe social tyranny or wishful thinking it's not going anywhere.
The sooner we accept this the better.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 31, 2020 18:46:53 GMT
Manchester mayor Andy Burnham seemed very much in favour of the measures being taken... He did but it’s disingenuous to suggest this has been on the cards for a while. It’s been reported that Blackburn has had an issue for a while, I live significantly closer to Stoke than Blackburn from my position in South Manchester. I'm in South Manchester too, whereabouts are you mate?
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 31, 2020 19:06:59 GMT
He did but it’s disingenuous to suggest this has been on the cards for a while. It’s been reported that Blackburn has had an issue for a while, I live significantly closer to Stoke than Blackburn from my position in South Manchester. I'm in South Manchester too, whereabouts are you mate? We’re into our third year in Chorlton after being in Edgeley in Stockport for about 10 years, how about you?
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 31, 2020 19:15:21 GMT
I'm in South Manchester too, whereabouts are you mate? We’re into our third year in Chorlton after being in Edgeley in Stockport for about 10 years, how about you? Oh nice, I'm just over in Didsbury.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 31, 2020 19:23:23 GMT
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 31, 2020 19:24:18 GMT
We’re into our third year in Chorlton after being in Edgeley in Stockport for about 10 years, how about you? Oh nice, I'm just over in Didsbury. Ow very nice!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 31, 2020 19:47:56 GMT
....a man heading to the depths of the backbenches once this starts to go away.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 31, 2020 19:50:44 GMT
It's an endemic virus, without severe social tyranny or wishful thinking it's not going anywhere. The sooner we accept this the better. Indeed. Until there's a vaccine we'll be in and out of lockdowns. I'd have thought people would have got this by now
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 31, 2020 20:19:35 GMT
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Post by meltonjohn on Jul 31, 2020 20:37:32 GMT
I see the latest trite slogan from Bungling Boris is Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes....
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 31, 2020 20:58:01 GMT
They are just putting measures in place which they can try to keep the economy going whilst bringing the number of cases down. People are likely catching the virus in pubs and taking it to their bubbles but stopping people meeting at home doesn't hurt the economy. It might work as part of their plan going forward but what next closing parks? Stopping travel outside of local areas? It's safe to say it's all about money from here. I wouldn't like to have to make the calls on this, it's a tough spot. It sounds cynical if you just see it as a money thing, but keeping as many people working as possible will also save lives and improve lives. Listened to some interviews with a barber in Atlanta the other day. He started off trying to work while keeping everything safe but it meant a lot of work for a couple of customers an hour. He wasn't sure how long he could keep that up, it's a nightmare for a lot of people. One of the biggest problems is America, instead of leading the way with a plan they have gone full herd immunity strategy making it impossible for it's allies to get through this in a organised way. America are too powerful for the whole of Europe to stop trading with them for a long period without angering them. Even if we cleared the virus in Europe now it would still keep returning because of America. There should have been an immediate lockdown by all countries to drive the virus down to zero rather than letting it go wild and it should have been America leading the way. It would have saved lives and jobs and we would all be pretty much clear of the virus now. Our country is in the position now where it needs to introduce a UBI or this country will go to the dogs quickly when Furlough ends.
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Post by Davef on Jul 31, 2020 21:07:02 GMT
I wouldn't like to have to make the calls on this, it's a tough spot. It sounds cynical if you just see it as a money thing, but keeping as many people working as possible will also save lives and improve lives. Listened to some interviews with a barber in Atlanta the other day. He started off trying to work while keeping everything safe but it meant a lot of work for a couple of customers an hour. He wasn't sure how long he could keep that up, it's a nightmare for a lot of people. One of the biggest problems is America, instead of leading the way with a plan they have gone full herd immunity strategy making it impossible for it's allies to get through this in a organised way. America are too powerful for the whole of Europe to stop trading with them for a long period without angering them. Even if we cleared the virus in Europe now it would still keep returning because of America. There should have been an immediate lockdown by all countries to drive the virus down to zero rather than letting it go wild and it should have been America leading the way. It would have saved lives and jobs and we would all be pretty much clear of the virus now. Our country is in the position now where it needs to introduce a UBI or this country will go to the dogs quickly when Furlough ends. How have America gone full herd immunity when virtually every state is mandated to wear masks? Sweden haven't gone down that route and they are more or less back to normal. Arizona mandated masks and their cases soared. 60% of New York's cases were contracted by people who stayed at home. Explain that. Governments think they can control this virus. They are deluded. The only country who has accepted that they can't are on their way back to a normal life People need to wake up.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 31, 2020 21:07:34 GMT
Why should he condem someone who had the balls to say the Inconvenient truth Or do you think its just an unlucky coincidence that all the areas that have seen large increases seem to have a larger than average south Asian population Keep it coming. The mask is slipping...... I guess it depends on whether there’s any substance to it. I don’t know what figures he’s based his comment on. Even a Bradford mosque leader said a “lot “of his community were breaking lockdown rules. Then there was this tonight. All factual. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8581617/Police-officer-injured-mass-street-brawl-Eid-party-Ilford.html
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 31, 2020 22:03:09 GMT
One of the biggest problems is America, instead of leading the way with a plan they have gone full herd immunity strategy making it impossible for it's allies to get through this in a organised way. America are too powerful for the whole of Europe to stop trading with them for a long period without angering them. Even if we cleared the virus in Europe now it would still keep returning because of America. There should have been an immediate lockdown by all countries to drive the virus down to zero rather than letting it go wild and it should have been America leading the way. It would have saved lives and jobs and we would all be pretty much clear of the virus now. Our country is in the position now where it needs to introduce a UBI or this country will go to the dogs quickly when Furlough ends. How have America gone full herd immunity when virtually every state is mandated to wear masks? Sweden haven't gone down that route and they are more or less back to normal. Arizona mandated masks and their cases soared. 60% of New York's cases were contracted by people who stayed at home. Explain that. Governments think they can control this virus. They are deluded. The only country who has accepted that they can't are on their way back to a normal life People need to wake the fuck up. That's only recent regarding masks, they have been opened up for ages and Trump is pushing for total power too which isn't helping. I can't see Trump losing the election in November, if he doesn't win by rigging it he will start a civil war to stay in power. The worst could be yet to come for America he seems to like causing protests and anarchy. If you catch the virus and go home to 3 other people there's 75% of your household who has caught it in the home. I don't know what the average number of people living in an household is but when you consider 1 person was infecting about 3 or 4 other people then that is potentially 3 or 4 households infected. Our window to control the virus is long gone but I don't think it will be long before we start allowing Americans here with the virus, we will only keep them at arms length for so long, we are their bitch after all. If America says open up to us we will be open quicker than a prostitute's legs. We keep being told the track and trace is working well but we were told that when it wasn't working at all. You don't seem to be a fan of any safety measures so I assume you would just go fuck it let's have it head on? Maybe you don't have any underlining conditions or you just don't give a shit about whether the virus kills you or not. People are entitled to be cautious about something they know little about. I doubt people in the tribes in the Amazon leave their comfort zone, if they did they would likely die from a virus.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 31, 2020 23:50:01 GMT
One of the biggest problems is America, instead of leading the way with a plan they have gone full herd immunity strategy making it impossible for it's allies to get through this in a organised way. America are too powerful for the whole of Europe to stop trading with them for a long period without angering them. Even if we cleared the virus in Europe now it would still keep returning because of America. There should have been an immediate lockdown by all countries to drive the virus down to zero rather than letting it go wild and it should have been America leading the way. It would have saved lives and jobs and we would all be pretty much clear of the virus now. Our country is in the position now where it needs to introduce a UBI or this country will go to the dogs quickly when Furlough ends. How have America gone full herd immunity when virtually every state is mandated to wear masks? Sweden haven't gone down that route and they are more or less back to normal. Arizona mandated masks and their cases soared. 60% of New York's cases were contracted by people who stayed at home. Explain that. Governments think they can control this virus. They are deluded. The only country who has accepted that they can't are on their way back to a normal life People need to wake the fuck up. So, doing things your way you'd be happy with up to half a million deaths then ? You don't half talk some rubbish sometimes. www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87812
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Post by starkiller on Aug 1, 2020 0:28:24 GMT
How have America gone full herd immunity when virtually every state is mandated to wear masks? Sweden haven't gone down that route and they are more or less back to normal. Arizona mandated masks and their cases soared. 60% of New York's cases were contracted by people who stayed at home. Explain that. Governments think they can control this virus. They are deluded. The only country who has accepted that they can't are on their way back to a normal life People need to wake the fuck up. So, doing things your way you'd be happy with up to half a million deaths then ? You don't half talk some rubbish sometimes. www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87812Half a million deaths, that was never going to happen. Also noticeable is that it seems this alleged virus doesn't really kill in the same way outside of flu and respiratory illness season. What a coincidence. It's now all about supposed 'cases' to ramp up the fear and inconvenience.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 1, 2020 0:37:04 GMT
Half a million deaths, that was never going to happen. Also noticeable is that it seems this alleged virus doesn't really kill in the same way outside of flu season. What a coincidence. It's now all about supposed 'cases' to ramp up the fear and inconvenience. I'm not getting into any dialogue with you, you're a total lunatic. Go chat your shit with someone else.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 1, 2020 1:34:20 GMT
Half a million deaths, that was never going to happen. Also noticeable is that it seems this alleged virus doesn't really kill in the same way outside of flu and respiratory illness season. What a coincidence. It's now all about supposed 'cases' to ramp up the fear and inconvenience. Alleged virus? I really don't know how you expect anybody to take you seriously anymore ... although I guess most haven't for a long while.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 1, 2020 5:52:58 GMT
Half a million deaths, that was never going to happen. Also noticeable is that it seems this alleged virus doesn't really kill in the same way outside of flu and respiratory illness season. What a coincidence. It's now all about supposed 'cases' to ramp up the fear and inconvenience. It attacks all organs, there is a lot more to it than just a respiratory illness. The health service is learning more and more about the virus as they go which is why the number of people dying is reducing compared to cases. Surely that makes sense? People are surviving more now but at what cost? This virus leaves a lot of people who never had any underlining conditions with underlining conditions and many will have permanent damage...even people with mild cases can be left with permanent damage. Some people are spending months knocked off their feet struggling with fatigue and unfit for work and many are previously healthy people. Why wouldn't there have been half a million deaths then? If the virus was just allowed to run wild the NHS would have been overwhelmed and most of the deaths would have been people that couldn't get into hospital and not been able to get any care. An overwhelmed NHS will still see many people die needlessly. You should just take you and your family to a covid party to see how real it is.....what's the worst that could happen right?
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Post by Davef on Aug 1, 2020 6:14:08 GMT
How have America gone full herd immunity when virtually every state is mandated to wear masks? Sweden haven't gone down that route and they are more or less back to normal. Arizona mandated masks and their cases soared. 60% of New York's cases were contracted by people who stayed at home. Explain that. Governments think they can control this virus. They are deluded. The only country who has accepted that they can't are on their way back to a normal life People need to wake the fuck up. So, doing things your way you'd be happy with up to half a million deaths then ? You don't half talk some rubbish sometimes. www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/87812What is "doing things my way" exactly? I haven't said anything that isn't factually correct. The USA didn't go with herd immunity, they locked down in March. 60% of New York's cases (it's hospitalisations actually) were contracted by people who said they abided by social distancing rules. Arizona's cases have risen sharply after a mandate to wear masks was introduced. Life in Sweden is more or less back to normal. And all you can do is throw a figure of 500,000 deaths back at me. A figure predicted by a discredited modeller who believed his doomsday scenario that much that he broke lockdown rules that the Government - acting on his advice - imposed on millions so he could sneak off and shag his mistress during the peak of the epidemic.
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