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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 17, 2020 19:11:40 GMT
lies dam lies and the tories you could not make it up if you don't like the total death figures then lets make an unbelievable excuse to get out of it !! well people have been counted if they tested positive then got run over by a bus the next day awful lot of buses That's because at least the tories have got the buses to run on time
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Post by Davef on Jul 17, 2020 19:26:27 GMT
digital.nhs.uk/dashboards/nhs-pathways#dashboardThis is the NHS Digital dashboard that Carl Heneghan was talking about in the video. On the day of lockdown, North Staffordshire and Stoke hospitals had a total of 1390 triage and online assessments. 17 were 999 calls, 142 to 111 and 1231 online assessments. (I'm not sure that this was even the peak). On July 16 that number was 39. 1 999 call, 13 to 111 and 25 online assessments.
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Post by Davef on Jul 17, 2020 19:29:52 GMT
lies dam lies and the tories you could not make it up if you don't like the total death figures then lets make an unbelievable excuse to get out of it !! well people have been counted if they tested positive then got run over by a bus the next day awful lot of buses Do you want to see our lives get back to normal or is your sole motivation to bring down the Tories?
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 17, 2020 20:06:36 GMT
It's a bit pathetic really isn't it, if you didn't talk on the phone you would talk to the people around you. The running for the bus I can slightly understand, heavier breathing, if someone has the virus then more gets through mask. I assume there is an added leakage with talking but fuck me you can't be expected to sit down and shut up. The newspaper is a proper weird one, I don't see what the problem with that is, it should be encouraged to stop people talking, it seems an own goal that one. Wales have probably got about 30 cases of the damn thing. The aim should be to get it to 0. Wearing the masks and social distancing will likely help to do that. If one person can infect 3 or more people then it can easily escalate if allowed to. If people want to try and get back to normal quicker then the measures are there to help do that. Public transport can be one of the worst places for the virus. It's either prolong new normal or try and get the old one back ASAP. I think it's fair to say the majority of people are fed up with new normal and it's also fair to say people don't use their own initiative to try and stop the spread because the shops are still full of people not wearing masks. I just don't understand what people are waiting for, I just think let's just do it and get this virus gone.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 17, 2020 20:11:51 GMT
I read that Brazil’s infections are plateauing at 45k a day and they are not seeing the doubling in numbers that they were seeing.
Maybe a stupid question but given that they’ve no lockdown a huge population, a leader that doesn’t give a fuck and aren’t taking proactive steps to stop it why has the infection rate slowed?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2020 20:14:48 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2020 20:15:55 GMT
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 17, 2020 20:18:48 GMT
I read that Brazil’s infections are plateauing at 45k a day and they are not seeing the doubling in numbers that they were seeing. Maybe a stupid question but given that they’ve no lockdown a huge population, a leader that doesn’t give a fuck and aren’t taking proactive steps to stop it why has the infection rate slowed? Because they can only declare positive tests and there's a limit to how many they can test??
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 17, 2020 20:21:42 GMT
I read that Brazil’s infections are plateauing at 45k a day and they are not seeing the doubling in numbers that they were seeing. Maybe a stupid question but given that they’ve no lockdown a huge population, a leader that doesn’t give a fuck and aren’t taking proactive steps to stop it why has the infection rate slowed? Because they can only declare positive tests and there's a limit to how many they can test?? Hadn’t thought of that but there was no mention of that in the article
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Post by starkiller on Jul 17, 2020 20:22:25 GMT
I got laughed out of town when I said this data was arbitrary and meaningless. It didn't represent a 24 hour period and random deaths from weeks ago were added. Many deaths counted twice. Well I can sit here with a beer and afford a chuckle at folk who spent months discussing the fine detail of these numbers as though it meant anything. Completely futile. If you weren't so gripped by this fiction, you would have noticed them pretty much admit this in a conference months ago. Cheers everybody..
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 17, 2020 20:34:05 GMT
I read that Brazil’s infections are plateauing at 45k a day and they are not seeing the doubling in numbers that they were seeing. Maybe a stupid question but given that they’ve no lockdown a huge population, a leader that doesn’t give a fuck and aren’t taking proactive steps to stop it why has the infection rate slowed? Because there probably only doing so many tests
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 17, 2020 20:47:48 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 17, 2020 22:27:00 GMT
"temporarily paused" Hmmm ... like the way data on the number of people tested was "temporarily paused" until ultimately, they said "fuck it" and just stopped altogether?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jul 17, 2020 22:38:19 GMT
I read that Brazil’s infections are plateauing at 45k a day and they are not seeing the doubling in numbers that they were seeing. Maybe a stupid question but given that they’ve no lockdown a huge population, a leader that doesn’t give a fuck and aren’t taking proactive steps to stop it why has the infection rate slowed? Because there probably only doing so many tests Doesn’t sound like it: Earlier today, WHO emergencies programme chief Mike Ryan said coronavirus infections in Brazil no longer appear to be rising exponentially but have reached a plateau, creating an opportunity to get the outbreak there under control.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jul 17, 2020 22:48:38 GMT
We should have a review to see what can be learnt to see if we can save lives. Yeah, we’ll do that later now is not the time to divert resources. We think think the numbers are over inflated. Stop everything, stop everything now and let’s get this sorted. They are not self serving politicians, I refuse to believe it.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 18, 2020 0:21:23 GMT
We should have a review to see what can be learnt to see if we can save lives. Yeah, we’ll do that later now is not the time to divert resources. We think think the numbers are over inflated. Stop everything, stop everything now and let’s get this sorted. They are not self serving politicians, I refuse to believe it. I'd be surprised if the PHE stats nerds who have to look into this are gonna be taken away from something more critical for care. Getting the numbers right is important, so this needs checking. My best estimate was nearer to 60k from the excess deaths, so we probably missed more covid deaths than we overcounted... but it's important to get the numbers right now. The people doing the epidemiology stuff for tracking the R number can use this sort of stuff to work out whether we can afford to open up faster or have to go into reverse.
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 18, 2020 0:36:27 GMT
lies dam lies and the tories you could not make it up if you don't like the total death figures then lets make an unbelievable excuse to get out of it !! well people have been counted if they tested positive then got run over by a bus the next day awful lot of buses Do you want to see our lives get back to normal or is your sole motivation to bring down the Tories? I want to see our lives get back to normal in a safe and responsible way without corruption or manipulation for political gains I want to see the thousands of families that have lost loved ones apologised to for this governments ineptitude of lockdown to late and making such a shambles of ppe and the disgraceful treatment of our care homes and elderly, I want this government held responsible for the many inflated contracts who donated or support the Tories I would want this of any government that had made such a mess of this epidemic no matter what political party was in charge can I see any of this happening with this government no because they will hide it as they have done so many times before I think people need to wake up and smell the roses as there is a huge stench in the air this is more than party politics this is people's lives they have played with and are still risking!!!
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 18, 2020 5:11:40 GMT
Do you want to see our lives get back to normal or is your sole motivation to bring down the Tories? I want to see our lives get back to normal in a safe and responsible way without corruption or manipulation for political gains I want to see the thousands of families that have lost loved ones apologised to for this governments ineptitude of lockdown to late and making such a shambles of ppe and the disgraceful treatment of our care homes and elderly, I want this government held responsible for the many inflated contracts who donated or support the Tories I would want this of any government that had made such a mess of this epidemic no matter what political party was in charge can I see any of this happening with this government no because they will hide it as they have done so many times before I think people need to wake up and smell the roses as there is a huge stench in the air this is more than party politics this is people's lives they have played with and are still risking!!! At least there scientists are not Allegedly killing themselves in fields yet
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 18, 2020 7:39:20 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 18, 2020 8:06:54 GMT
You could probably find many sources that say there is a lot of misinformation coming from the Trump administration.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 18, 2020 8:12:21 GMT
It was only a question of time before Trump's lot tried to dismiss the figures as 'fake news', especially now their deaths have started to increase again.
I've seen other reports which state that the actual death toll is higher.
We'll have to wait for the stattos to check the figures, but if some are claiming too high, some are claiming undercounting, the figure we're currently presented with is probably not far off.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 18, 2020 10:26:36 GMT
Black is ONS; red is PHE. Unless I'm reading this wrong, those figures make it look like the PHE has under-recorded deaths initially? Apologies for the useless chart, this is how it copied from the Telegraph. The y axis is 0, 500, 1000 deaths per day, x is March, April, May, June, July.
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Post by durbanscircus on Jul 18, 2020 10:27:08 GMT
There is a lot of confusion about the current death toll from the first wave of COVID but there is a simple way of gauging its impact. From the beginning of the outbreak until we got it under control in the last couple of weeks there were 65,000 excess deaths in the UK. Excess deaths are what they are its difficult to argue that these people are not dead and that the time period in which they died was not during an uncontrolled phase of a pandemic
I cant see how an urgent review of how death is classified can alter these figures- we have been under reporting the death toll not exaggerating it
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 18, 2020 10:36:41 GMT
It was only a question of time before Trump's lot tried to dismiss the figures as 'fake news', especially now their deaths have started to increase again. I've seen other reports which state that the actual death toll is higher. We'll have to wait for the stattos to check the figures, but if some are claiming too high, some are claiming undercounting, the figure we're currently presented with is probably not far off. You ain't seen nothing yet- wait until they start questioning the votes in the November election!
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 18, 2020 16:00:18 GMT
Lol, the same sources that said they were the biggest inauguration crowds, we'd have seen Trump's tax returns by now, the virus would be gone like magic by April, wind turbines cause cancer, Mexico will pay for a wall, the deficit will be on its way to zero... My bet is still that the overall numbers are underestimated. We'll see from the excess deaths.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 18, 2020 16:01:35 GMT
Black is ONS; red is PHE. Unless I'm reading this wrong, those figures make it look like the PHE has under-recorded deaths initially? Apologies for the useless chart, this is how it copied from the Telegraph. The y axis is 0, 500, 1000 deaths per day, x is March, April, May, June, July. Yeah, PHE were doing it based on testing and ONS usually from excess deaths. There weren't enough tests early on, so a lot of deaths got missed. It's even worse in the US, states like Arizona are completely failing to do enough testing. It's one way to keep the numbers looking smaller.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 18, 2020 16:04:28 GMT
There is a lot of confusion about the current death toll from the first wave of COVID but there is a simple way of gauging its impact. From the beginning of the outbreak until we got it under control in the last couple of weeks there were 65,000 excess deaths in the UK. Excess deaths are what they are its difficult to argue that these people are not dead and that the time period in which they died was not during an uncontrolled phase of a pandemic I cant see how an urgent review of how death is classified can alter these figures- we have been under reporting the death toll not exaggerating it Yeah that's basically how I see it. If it were lockdown causing the extra deaths then the rate should have stayed pretty constant, or even gone up as lockdown wore on and people felt worse. If it were lockdown, the death rates would be pretty even across the country, maybe worse in older/sicker areas. But the death rates spiked then went down, and they were massive in areas where there was a shitton of virus. London is younger & healthier than the rest of the country yet it got absolutely smashed. Claiming all the excess deaths are from lockdown is a fucking dumb thing to say if you actually check the numbers. And it feeds these moronic conspiracy theories that are killing loads of people and dragging out the suffering, I just can't get why some people want to push for more death and pain.
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Post by DrGonzo on Jul 18, 2020 18:09:32 GMT
There is a lot of confusion about the current death toll from the first wave of COVID but there is a simple way of gauging its impact. From the beginning of the outbreak until we got it under control in the last couple of weeks there were 65,000 excess deaths in the UK. Excess deaths are what they are its difficult to argue that these people are not dead and that the time period in which they died was not during an uncontrolled phase of a pandemic I cant see how an urgent review of how death is classified can alter these figures- we have been under reporting the death toll not exaggerating it Yeah that's basically how I see it. If it were lockdown causing the extra deaths then the rate should have stayed pretty constant, or even gone up as lockdown wore on and people felt worse. If it were lockdown, the death rates would be pretty even across the country, maybe worse in older/sicker areas. But the death rates spiked then went down, and they were massive in areas where there was a shitton of virus. London is younger & healthier than the rest of the country yet it got absolutely smashed. Claiming all the excess deaths are from lockdown is a fucking dumb thing to say if you actually check the numbers. And it feeds these moronic conspiracy theories that are killing loads of people and dragging out the suffering, I just can't get why some people want to push for more death and pain. Basically out of fear. Much more comforting to believe there are people somehow in control of all this than come to terms with the fact that human beings are fragile creatures that are but a fleeting guest on Earth.
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 18, 2020 18:20:22 GMT
There is a lot of confusion about the current death toll from the first wave of COVID but there is a simple way of gauging its impact. From the beginning of the outbreak until we got it under control in the last couple of weeks there were 65,000 excess deaths in the UK. Excess deaths are what they are its difficult to argue that these people are not dead and that the time period in which they died was not during an uncontrolled phase of a pandemic I cant see how an urgent review of how death is classified can alter these figures- we have been under reporting the death toll not exaggerating it Agree Sir. The gold standard of figures is excess deaths. There can be fluctuations due to sertain criteria affecting the public - a bad flu outbreak being an example - but on the whole they are telling us the true effects of the virus. OS.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 18, 2020 18:28:56 GMT
Positive cases abit worrying and they’ve given up on the deaths reporting
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