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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 17, 2020 3:35:37 GMT
You can’t fudge excess death figures...... You can encourage them through care homes. They started at the point of lockdown. I have no doubt that lockdown and cancelled medical treatment contributed to thousands of excess deaths. Even the ones not labelled covid19 amount to around 15,000 a month ago. This is in the excess deaths number. And, as I've said the covid labeling is extremely dubious at the very best, or total bullshit. I would go as far to say that lockdown and care home DNR forms and the resulting neglect caused the majority of excess deaths. People spreading and believing these conspiracy theories without is literally killing people. My girlfriend's hospital has added 3 extra ICUs, started to hire a thousand extra health staff and shipped patients to California, Nevada and New Mexico. And she still spends 7 days in a row getting up before 5 am before finally crashing at 11 pm. She's been told to expect this at least through September. Fuck the conspiracy theories.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 17, 2020 7:28:08 GMT
You can encourage them through care homes. They started at the point of lockdown. I have no doubt that lockdown and cancelled medical treatment contributed to thousands of excess deaths. Even the ones not labelled covid19 amount to around 15,000 a month ago. This is in the excess deaths number. And, as I've said the covid labeling is extremely dubious at the very best, or total bullshit. I would go as far to say that lockdown and care home DNR forms and the resulting neglect caused the majority of excess deaths. People spreading and believing these conspiracy theories without is literally killing people. My girlfriend's hospital has added 3 extra ICUs, started to hire a thousand extra health staff and shipped patients to California, Nevada and New Mexico. And she still spends 7 days in a row getting up before 5 am before finally crashing at 11 pm. She's been told to expect this at least through September. Fuck the conspiracy theories. Yep. But for some people there always has to be behind the scenes, shadowy forces at work.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 17, 2020 8:47:30 GMT
You can encourage them through care homes. They started at the point of lockdown. I have no doubt that lockdown and cancelled medical treatment contributed to thousands of excess deaths. Even the ones not labelled covid19 amount to around 15,000 a month ago. This is in the excess deaths number. And, as I've said the covid labeling is extremely dubious at the very best, or total bullshit. I would go as far to say that lockdown and care home DNR forms and the resulting neglect caused the majority of excess deaths. People spreading and believing these conspiracy theories without is literally killing people. My girlfriend's hospital has added 3 extra ICUs, started to hire a thousand extra health staff and shipped patients to California, Nevada and New Mexico. And she still spends 7 days in a row getting up before 5 am before finally crashing at 11 pm. She's been told to expect this at least through September. Fuck the conspiracy theories. Lockdown is killing people. Cancelled medical treatment is killing people. Do not resuscitate forms in care homes are killing people. None of these are conspiracy theories. And wait for the catastrophic effects on lives and livelihoods once the furlough ends. Merry Christmas.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 17, 2020 8:52:58 GMT
People spreading and believing these conspiracy theories without is literally killing people. My girlfriend's hospital has added 3 extra ICUs, started to hire a thousand extra health staff and shipped patients to California, Nevada and New Mexico. And she still spends 7 days in a row getting up before 5 am before finally crashing at 11 pm. She's been told to expect this at least through September. Fuck the conspiracy theories. Yep. But for some people there always has to be behind the scenes, shadowy forces at work. Misleading information is being presented to the public as a 24 hour period death count. I guess you think this accidentally happened? Death rate is at a five year low, and this is with deaths added from months ago. Yet, it's now mask time. And since we're in the fifth month of a three-week lockdown, when will this mask rule end, if ever? There's always lies presented to the public, and some folk decide this. Label it whatever you like. Forget the tin hat, the folks that are true believers in the covid religion should wear this and let the rest of us get on with normal living.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 17, 2020 8:57:21 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2020 9:50:26 GMT
More scandal(or it should be).
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 17, 2020 10:31:58 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Jul 17, 2020 11:09:40 GMT
The only true way to judge the amount of deaths due to Covid is by excess death figures. This should apply while the virus is around and also afterwards. There will be anomalies, such as if we get a Flu epidemic, but otherwise we can get a rough idea of what damage it has done. Any other figures are meaningless.
OS.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 17, 2020 11:36:44 GMT
The only true way to judge the amount of deaths due to Covid is by excess death figures. This should apply while the virus is around and also afterwards. There will be anomalies, such as if we get a Flu epidemic, but otherwise we can get a rough idea of what damage it has done. Any other figures are meaningless. OS. And neither does this suggest these deaths are from covid, and not the effects of the absence of proper medical care due to lockdown. Why should they be covid deaths? We are have been told that this illness was floating around since November, yet excess death increases exactly coincided with the lockdown on government graphs. Check for yourself. So either the lockdown was totally ineffective for Covid, or something else was going on? Which, once again, presents serious questions for lockdown proponents. Either way, it doesn't look good for lockdown disciples.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 17, 2020 11:48:32 GMT
The only true way to judge the amount of deaths due to Covid is by excess death figures. This should apply while the virus is around and also afterwards. There will be anomalies, such as if we get a Flu epidemic, but otherwise we can get a rough idea of what damage it has done. Any other figures are meaningless. OS. And neither does this suggest these deaths are from covid, and not the effects of the absence of proper medical care due to lockdown. Why should they be covid deaths? We are have been told that this illness was floating around since November, yet excess death increases exactly coincided with the lockdown on government graphs. Check for yourself. So either the lockdown was totally ineffective for Covid, or something else was going on? Which, once again, presents serious questions for lockdown proponents. Either way, it doesn't look good for lockdown disciples. Well things were set to change dramatically whatever. Sports were cancelling themselves pre lockdow. That lockdown came as infections were going up makes the stats pretty self explanatory. And they started to fall after the relevant time period. I'm not saying this is evidence that lockdown was necessary in its form. But I've seen no evidence that the people of the UK could have adhered to a more nuanced, open approach to get similar results.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 17, 2020 11:50:58 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 17, 2020 11:52:33 GMT
Some people are determined that they are being lied to
Very sad
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Post by elystokie on Jul 17, 2020 11:58:48 GMT
People are so touchy, jeez. It's only (another) £133 million of taxpayers money, it's nowt 'between friends' really...
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 17, 2020 12:03:41 GMT
www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-one-can-ever-recover-from-covid-19-in-england-a-statistical-anomaly/This is staggering. PHE are actively checking databases to see if patients who tested positive for coronavirus are still alive or not (probably the elderly) There are now cases of people who tested positive earlier in the year, recovered from the virus but have subsequently died from some other condition like a heart attack, stroke or cancer but are being counted as a COVID-19 death. As the article says, "By this PHE definition, no one with COVID in England is allowed to ever recover from their illness". There has to be an inquiry into this. but boris does not want one in pmqs would not commit to one in the future to many skeleton's in the cupboard me thinks!!
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 17, 2020 13:02:06 GMT
Greyhound at Hartshill forced to close it's doors after a staff member contracted covid It's in the Sentinel
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 17, 2020 13:24:01 GMT
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Post by mtrstudent on Jul 17, 2020 14:30:19 GMT
People spreading and believing these conspiracy theories without is literally killing people. My girlfriend's hospital has added 3 extra ICUs, started to hire a thousand extra health staff and shipped patients to California, Nevada and New Mexico. And she still spends 7 days in a row getting up before 5 am before finally crashing at 11 pm. She's been told to expect this at least through September. Fuck the conspiracy theories. Lockdown is killing people. Cancelled medical treatment is killing people. Do not resuscitate forms in care homes are killing people. None of these are conspiracy theories. And wait for the catastrophic effects on lives and livelihoods once the furlough ends. Merry Christmas. Yeah, those things are killing people but you should way up all the costs of each choice. Cancelled medical treatment? Her hospital's surgical ICU is full so no surgeries on anyone who might need ICU treatment. Pediatric ICU the same. Staff who are not fully ICU trained are filling in on standard wards to free up enough docs for the covid wards. Oh, and hey, they had to open the medical examiner's morgue and her state is ordering refrigerated trucks to stack the bodies because that's totally normal in July. What is your estimate for excess deaths and how did you get it? How and why are you better at calculations than scientists? Why did London deaths go up by 100% but outside London nowhere near that? Why were all the deaths in Lombardy but not Calabria? Why more in NYC than upstate NY? Because the disease kills a lot more than lockdown. So yeah, pick strong action for a few months (New Zealand, Italy), or whine about conspiracy theories, hobble your medical system for at least six months, burn out your doctors and then gamble that maybe it goes away.
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Post by Davef on Jul 17, 2020 15:31:47 GMT
Greyhound at Hartshill forced to close it's doors after a staff member contracted covid It's in the Sentinel The member of staff is showing symptoms and is awaiting a test result.
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Post by sheds1862 on Jul 17, 2020 15:38:06 GMT
Greyhound at Hartshill forced to close it's doors after a staff member contracted covid It's in the Sentinel The member of staff is showing symptoms and is awaiting a test result. Apologies I got the info off my sister !!
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Post by Davef on Jul 17, 2020 16:03:37 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jul 17, 2020 16:18:27 GMT
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Post by Davef on Jul 17, 2020 16:20:52 GMT
114 reported deaths, 687 new cases, it's not going away is it? Have a butchers at the video above. There were 17 reported deaths in hospitals today.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 17, 2020 16:37:02 GMT
I know this story has been around for a day or two Dave (indeed I think you were the first person to post a link to it) but what I haven't seen, is an explanation of WHY PHE would do this? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and furthermore, I haven't seen anybody from PHE actually confirm that this IS what they've been doing.
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Post by Davef on Jul 17, 2020 17:22:03 GMT
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Post by DrGonzo on Jul 17, 2020 17:41:30 GMT
I know this story has been around for a day or two Dave (indeed I think you were the first person to post a link to it) but what I haven't seen, is an explanation of WHY PHE would do this? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and furthermore, I haven't seen anybody from PHE actually confirm that this IS what they've been doing. Probably just doing it in the absence of any other available method. It was likely realistic when they were doing it in April so they just carried on without really questioning it. People going nuts about the infection figure rising on Twitter yet it was clearly explained at the start last week to expect a rise as they do more targeted testing. I can understand what Trump was saying now...
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 17, 2020 17:50:28 GMT
It's a bit pathetic really isn't it, if you didn't talk on the phone you would talk to the people around you. The running for the bus I can slightly understand, heavier breathing, if someone has the virus then more gets through mask. I assume there is an added leakage with talking but fuck me you can't be expected to sit down and shut up. The newspaper is a proper weird one, I don't see what the problem with that is, it should be encouraged to stop people talking, it seems an own goal that one.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 17, 2020 18:24:36 GMT
People are so touchy, jeez. It's only (another) £133 million of taxpayers money, it's nowt 'between friends' really... Exactly we'll make that back as soon as Brexit is sorted If your business was a competitor to the company in question then I doubt you would be very pleased about it. Another company may also have only charged half of that too. There should be a fair process in place, there are other people crying out for work with employees they are struggling to keep in work.
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Post by Davef on Jul 17, 2020 18:48:59 GMT
It's a bit pathetic really isn't it, if you didn't talk on the phone you would talk to the people around you. The running for the bus I can slightly understand, heavier breathing, if someone has the virus then more gets through mask. I assume there is an added leakage with talking but fuck me you can't be expected to sit down and shut up. The newspaper is a proper weird one, I don't see what the problem with that is, it should be encouraged to stop people talking, it seems an own goal that one. Wales have probably got about 30 cases of the damn thing.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 17, 2020 19:00:35 GMT
I was in a queue outside of sainsburys.
The guy in front of me 2m away was vaping and the fumes were blowing into my face.
I asked if he would stop vaping whilst in the queue.
He told me to fuck off and mind my own business.
Who is in the right and who is in the wrong.?
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Post by essexstokey on Jul 17, 2020 19:04:43 GMT
lies dam lies and the tories you could not make it up if you don't like the total death figures then lets make an unbelievable excuse to get out of it !! well people have been counted if they tested positive then got run over by a bus the next day awful lot of buses
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