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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 9, 2020 15:48:23 GMT
covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-incidence-ukRates of new COVID cases are no longer declining in the UK according to new COVID Symptom Study data. “It is disappointing to see that the number of daily new cases is no longer falling as they have been in previous weeks, this could be a temporary blip or due to the easing of lockdown and the amount of social contact slowly increasing. Importantly our updated analysis of the prevalence is still continuing to show that The Midlands and Wales are key areas in the country where the amount of COVID is remaining relatively high. It is important that we keep a close eye on these areas."
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Post by Northy on Jul 9, 2020 15:56:21 GMT
the virus affects mostly people who have underlying conditions with obesity being one of them, obesity causes many underlying issues like diabetes, heart problems, poor blood circulation lower immune efficiency etc. Which nation is the most unhealthy and obese in Europe - the UK Hmmm ... I suspect you're (hugely) oversimplifying things there. It wasn't too long ago that we were being told that Italy's death toll was far higher than ours because they had the most elderly people in Europe. And I've seen plenty of fat Germans in my time! Not saying that our obesity levels might not play some part in the difference in the figures but I'm sure it's far from being the main contributory factor. We were being told that the elderly lived with the younger who were going out and bringing it back home, as we know they tend to live together in larger families over there. Age and health have been the main killers, with age comes issues, and I'm sure most smokers with damaged lungs would have gone before somebody who is healthy and never smoked at all.
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Post by smallthorner on Jul 9, 2020 17:42:45 GMT
There will not be "millions on the dole" in a few months time. Times have changed, manufacturing is no longer the prime employer. With the high employment costs, stringent rules on health and safety, high energy costs, and environmental legislation, the UK will never be a competitive manufacturing industry again except for sophisticated products and luxury goods. We are primarily a service industry nation with the prime focus on selling to those with disposable income on the sort of products I listed above. The NHS is not a socialist idea. It was drawn up by a Liberal , William Beveridge en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_BeveridgeThe post war Labour government deserves credit for implementing the NHS, but little else. Nationalisation of industries was a disaster to the recovery of this nation. No other nations engaged in nationalisation after WWII apart from East European under Soviet Union rule and it was disastrous for them. It was capitalist USA that dragged the world out of economic recession, which never happened in Eastern Europe. You can keep your "socialist upsurge". It took a Conservative government under Churchill to get the economy going and end the working class still having to put up with rationing, (which I remember) while the rich lived on caviar. UK economic growth declined in socialist governed Britain from 1949 to 52 and only started to grow firmly after Churchill's (elected in October 1951) first year of government in 52. Socialism is dead. The Tories have just won an election and will be in power for another 4 years at least. 2.1 as of today mr coke. See you were wrong again mr coke. Ever likely this country's manufacturing suffered if you were a captain of industry ...😁
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 9, 2020 19:33:12 GMT
Seriously, what are you trying to achieve here? At the time you were bashing the Government for not getting PPE in quickly enough, now you're having a go about them not tendering, which would have delayed getting PPE in. As I said at the time, the civil service were working well outside their comfort zone to get this done, they had 10000 enquiries, it wasn't going to be perfect was it? Cnuts that nit pick after the unprecedented event that was going on are just cnuts IMO I'm not really sure I get the whole non- competitive award of contracts in this instance tbh. PPE is by and large a highly commodotised area of supply so running tenders is pretty easy. Also by virtue of the fact that you are asking loads of people to quote you are running a competitive tendèr anyway. Typically if your regular suppliers for something such as this can't meet demand then you would ask them to second tier source - if they declined or were unable you would look elsewhere - but that is still competitive. Some of the stories therefore about asking pest control suppliers or website designers to obtain PPE (one of whom then went on linkdin to ask "Has anyone got any PPE?) says either someone is taking the piss or NHS procurement hasn't got a f*****g clue what it's doing. As ever the answer is probably somewhere between the two.
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jul 9, 2020 21:08:27 GMT
Seriously, what are you trying to achieve here? At the time you were bashing the Government for not getting PPE in quickly enough, now you're having a go about them not tendering, which would have delayed getting PPE in. As I said at the time, the civil service were working well outside their comfort zone to get this done, they had 10000 enquiries, it wasn't going to be perfect was it? Cnuts that nit pick after the unprecedented event that was going on are just cnuts IMO I'm not really sure I get the whole non- competitive award of contracts in this instance tbh. PPE is by and large a highly commodotised area of supply so running tenders is pretty easy. Also by virtue of the fact that you are asking loads of people to quote you are running a competitive tendèr anyway. Typically if your regular suppliers for something such as this can't meet demand then you would ask them to second tier source - if they declined or were unable you would look elsewhere - but that is still competitive. Some of the stories therefore about asking pest control suppliers or website designers to obtain PPE (one of whom then went on linkdin to ask "Has anyone got any PPE?) says either someone is taking the piss or NHS procurement hasn't got a f*****g clue what it's doing. As ever the answer is probably somewhere between the two. What complete rubbish, running a tender for PPE during march, April, May & into June was not easy at all. It was well known you could agree a price (a high price) to buy on 1 day and the shipment would be sold to a higher bidder the next day. Imagine the outrage when the nursing union were threatening to withdraw treatment if PPE wasn't available and the government then turned round and said well we could have bought it but we want to put it to tender to ensure the tax payer gets the best value for money. Some people have short memories, at that time the "commodity" was rarer than hens teeth. God knows this government has made enough fuck ups to last a life time. Paying whoever at whatever cost to get PPE during a worldwide shortage is not one of them!
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Jul 9, 2020 21:36:35 GMT
I'm not really sure I get the whole non- competitive award of contracts in this instance tbh. PPE is by and large a highly commodotised area of supply so running tenders is pretty easy. Also by virtue of the fact that you are asking loads of people to quote you are running a competitive tendèr anyway. Typically if your regular suppliers for something such as this can't meet demand then you would ask them to second tier source - if they declined or were unable you would look elsewhere - but that is still competitive. Some of the stories therefore about asking pest control suppliers or website designers to obtain PPE (one of whom then went on linkdin to ask "Has anyone got any PPE?) says either someone is taking the piss or NHS procurement hasn't got a f*****g clue what it's doing. As ever the answer is probably somewhere between the two. What complete rubbish, running a tender for PPE during march, April, May & into June was not easy at all. It was well known you could agree a price (a high price) to buy on 1 day and the shipment would be sold to a higher bidder the next day. Imagine the outrage when the nursing union were threatening to withdraw treatment if PPE wasn't available and the government then turned round and said well we could have bought it but we want to put it to tender to ensure the tax payer gets the best value for money. Some people have short memories, at that time the "commodity" was rarer than hens teeth. God knows this government has made enough fuck ups to last a life time. Paying whoever at whatever cost to get PPE during a worldwide shortage is not one of them! Didn't say it was the government did I? Irrespective of circumstances multi million pound contracts to barely existent companies with no apparent experience of the area of supply still warrants explanation. So long as you're willing to chuck money at a problem there will always be plenty out there willing to catch it.
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Post by teflondel on Jul 10, 2020 6:05:54 GMT
Government were being criticised in the media on a daily basis for not taking up the offers of ppe from the thousands of companies who had sent in offers of help.
Now they are being criticised for placing orders with the companies that offered that help.
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Also what difference does it make? Placing orders with companies actually costs nothing, it’s a scatter gun approach. Until the order/contract is fulfilled then nothing is due to be paid out
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Post by Davef on Jul 10, 2020 7:50:43 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jul 10, 2020 8:19:12 GMT
Everybody admitted goes on the red zone until they’ve been tested and then sent accordingly, they are also not in contact with other patients Just because she showed no signs doesn’t mean she didn’t have the virus
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2020 8:20:03 GMT
I'm not really sure I get the whole non- competitive award of contracts in this instance tbh. PPE is by and large a highly commodotised area of supply so running tenders is pretty easy. Also by virtue of the fact that you are asking loads of people to quote you are running a competitive tendèr anyway. Typically if your regular suppliers for something such as this can't meet demand then you would ask them to second tier source - if they declined or were unable you would look elsewhere - but that is still competitive. Some of the stories therefore about asking pest control suppliers or website designers to obtain PPE (one of whom then went on linkdin to ask "Has anyone got any PPE?) says either someone is taking the piss or NHS procurement hasn't got a f*****g clue what it's doing. As ever the answer is probably somewhere between the two. What complete rubbish, running a tender for PPE during march, April, May & into June was not easy at all. It was well known you could agree a price (a high price) to buy on 1 day and the shipment would be sold to a higher bidder the next day. Imagine the outrage when the nursing union were threatening to withdraw treatment if PPE wasn't available and the government then turned round and said well we could have bought it but we want to put it to tender to ensure the tax payer gets the best value for money. Some people have short memories, at that time the "commodity" was rarer than hens teeth. God knows this government has made enough fuck ups to last a life time. Paying whoever at whatever cost to get PPE during a worldwide shortage is not one of them! Overpaying for PPE during a pandemic is acceptable. Overpaying upfront for PPE that isn’t even fit for purpose not so much...
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Post by Davef on Jul 10, 2020 8:23:30 GMT
Everybody admitted goes on the red zone until they’ve been tested and then sent accordingly, they are also not in contact with other patients Just because she showed no signs doesn’t mean she didn’t have the virus She'd been shielding according to that report as I'd assume her husband had been doing. I'd be interested to know how she'd caught the virus if she hadn't left her house for weeks on end? I'm also assuming she'd have been tested upon admission to hospital?
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Post by werrington on Jul 10, 2020 8:47:30 GMT
Everybody admitted goes on the red zone until they’ve been tested and then sent accordingly, they are also not in contact with other patients Just because she showed no signs doesn’t mean she didn’t have the virus She'd been shielding according to that report as I'd assume her husband had been doing. I'd be interested to know how she'd caught the virus if she hadn't left her house for weeks on end? I'm also assuming she'd have been tested upon admission to hospital? Yeah she would I’m obviously not doubting this blokes sad story is is not true but let’s say some people have been a bit “ lax” as the infection has gone on ....again I’m not doubting him personally Especially if now they are saying it’s potentially air born It didn’t take long for the media/public NHS honeymoon period to end though did it with the sentinel leading the charge Oh well it’s back to normal service for us in the NHS to get lambasted again
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Post by musik on Jul 10, 2020 8:50:47 GMT
This disease is spread by air." (WHO)
What do you think? Breathing
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Post by drfootball on Jul 10, 2020 9:39:15 GMT
Seriously, what are you trying to achieve here? At the time you were bashing the Government for not getting PPE in quickly enough, now you're having a go about them not tendering, which would have delayed getting PPE in. As I said at the time, the civil service were working well outside their comfort zone to get this done, they had 10000 enquiries, it wasn't going to be perfect was it? Cnuts that nit pick after the unprecedented event that was going on are just cnuts IMO I'm not really sure I get the whole non- competitive award of contracts in this instance tbh. PPE is by and large a highly commodotised area of supply so running tenders is pretty easy. Also by virtue of the fact that you are asking loads of people to quote you are running a competitive tendèr anyway. Typically if your regular suppliers for something such as this can't meet demand then you would ask them to second tier source - if they declined or were unable you would look elsewhere - but that is still competitive. Some of the stories therefore about asking pest control suppliers or website designers to obtain PPE (one of whom then went on linkdin to ask "Has anyone got any PPE?) says either someone is taking the piss or NHS procurement hasn't got a f*****g clue what it's doing. As ever the answer is probably somewhere between the two. No, it`s the second one !!!!
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Post by Gods on Jul 10, 2020 12:45:49 GMT
How the actual fuck are we still cleaning out 150 people a day on a regular basis?
It's more than the rest of Europe added together.
And I keep hearing the USA has it worst. But that's a load of baloney. They have x5 our population but just a few more deaths.
We've won the body count prize by the same distance Liverpool just won the title.
We've had a nightmare from start to, well I was going to say finish, but it seems we still have a way to go!
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Post by Northy on Jul 10, 2020 14:04:30 GMT
How the actual fuck are we still cleaning out 150 people a day on a regular basis? It's more than the rest of Europe added together. And I keep hearing the USA has it worst. But that's a load of baloney. They have x5 our population but just a few more deaths. We've won the body count prize by the same distance Liverpool just won the title. We've had a nightmare from start to, well I was going to say finish, but it seems we still have a way to go! we are averaging about 600 new cases a day, that's about 4000 a week, it's fookin mad, beaches, parks, illegal raves, protests, house parties etc. etc. just a bunch of cnuts out there. and that's before the pub lot will come into the system I've been out the house once this week to get a haircut, not even been for a run and or a walk since Sunday
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Post by chad on Jul 10, 2020 14:23:53 GMT
512 new cases 48 died. Slowly slowly
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 10, 2020 14:30:33 GMT
How the actual fuck are we still cleaning out 150 people a day on a regular basis? It's more than the rest of Europe added together. And I keep hearing the USA has it worst. But that's a load of baloney. They have x5 our population but just a few more deaths. We've won the body count prize by the same distance Liverpool just won the title. We've had a nightmare from start to, well I was going to say finish, but it seems we still have a way to go! The actual deaths per day has been below 100 for a bit now, these daily figures are just slowly under the radar catching up the excess deaths that thave built up.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 10, 2020 14:36:43 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jul 10, 2020 14:44:22 GMT
512 new cases 48 died. Slowly slowly that's good news after yesterdays 85, last week Thursday was similar but jumped to over 130 on the Friday
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Post by Gods on Jul 10, 2020 14:50:58 GMT
How the actual fuck are we still cleaning out 150 people a day on a regular basis? It's more than the rest of Europe added together. And I keep hearing the USA has it worst. But that's a load of baloney. They have x5 our population but just a few more deaths. We've won the body count prize by the same distance Liverpool just won the title. We've had a nightmare from start to, well I was going to say finish, but it seems we still have a way to go! The actual deaths per day has been below 100 for a bit now, these daily figures are just slowly under the radar catching up the excess deaths that thave built up. But are the other European countries who are now on single digit numbers against which we compare not in the same boat? And if they are not then we were far worse than them at peak Covid time. We can't have it all ways. I suppose in the end the only certain measure is deaths per head of the population and we are near enough top of that table.
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Post by Davef on Jul 10, 2020 15:05:37 GMT
How the actual fuck are we still cleaning out 150 people a day on a regular basis? It's more than the rest of Europe added together. And I keep hearing the USA has it worst. But that's a load of baloney. They have x5 our population but just a few more deaths. We've won the body count prize by the same distance Liverpool just won the title. We've had a nightmare from start to, well I was going to say finish, but it seems we still have a way to go! The seven day rolling average is half that, at 74. The data is easily available.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 10, 2020 15:06:23 GMT
512 new cases 48 died. Slowly slowly that's good news after yesterdays 85, last week Thursday was similar but jumped to over 130 on the Friday First time we've been below 50 on a 'normal' day since lock down began. The daily average for the last 7 days is 74. EDIT: I see Dave beat me to it!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 10, 2020 15:09:50 GMT
Cases are generally low, so R will toggle up and down because of that. The Germans went above 2 the other week because of a cluster and nothing came of it. I said a few weeks ago, the media and governmental fetishisation of R has clouded how useful it actually is as a metric for assessing the pandemic.
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Post by Davef on Jul 10, 2020 15:15:57 GMT
Wasn't the R number pretty much consigned to the Shit Bin a few weeks ago when Germany's soared because of one outbreak in a very small town? And don't you think it's slightly odd that Sky get excited over the R number rising, but can't be arsed to tweet the announcement of just 48 deaths today?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 10, 2020 15:17:46 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jul 10, 2020 15:18:38 GMT
Wasn't the R number pretty much consigned to the Shit Bin a few weeks ago when Germany's soared because of one outbreak in a very small town? And don't you think it's slightly odd that Sky get excited over the R number rising, but can't be arsed to tweet the announcement of just 48 deaths today? Yes it does seem strange that they seem to concentrate on the negatives
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Post by musik on Jul 10, 2020 15:22:15 GMT
How the actual fuck are we still cleaning out 150 people a day on a regular basis? It's more than the rest of Europe added together. And I keep hearing the USA has it worst. But that's a load of baloney. They have x5 our population but just a few more deaths. We've won the body count prize by the same distance Liverpool just won the title. We've had a nightmare from start to, well I was going to say finish, but it seems we still have a way to go! Here they say it won't stop until everyone's had it! That's the strategy.
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Post by Northy on Jul 10, 2020 15:31:13 GMT
How the actual fuck are we still cleaning out 150 people a day on a regular basis? It's more than the rest of Europe added together. And I keep hearing the USA has it worst. But that's a load of baloney. They have x5 our population but just a few more deaths. We've won the body count prize by the same distance Liverpool just won the title. We've had a nightmare from start to, well I was going to say finish, but it seems we still have a way to go! Here they say it won't stop until everyone's had it! That's the strategy. Didn't realise Sweden's new cases per day didn't peak until June 24th, 2 months after UK's peak
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Post by Davef on Jul 10, 2020 15:37:02 GMT
How the actual fuck are we still cleaning out 150 people a day on a regular basis? It's more than the rest of Europe added together. And I keep hearing the USA has it worst. But that's a load of baloney. They have x5 our population but just a few more deaths. We've won the body count prize by the same distance Liverpool just won the title. We've had a nightmare from start to, well I was going to say finish, but it seems we still have a way to go! Here they say it won't stop until everyone's had it! That's the strategy. The Swedish media sounds more mental than ours. There was actually a joint study recently by the Universities of Nottingham and Stockholm which concluded that herd immunity threshold could be 43%. Professor Michael Levitt of Stanford University suggests that it could be as low as 20-30% and even stated in an interview two months ago that if Sweden's deaths stalled at between 5 and 6,000 then they would've reached herd immunity. Sweden are on 5,500 deaths with 13 announced today.
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