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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 7, 2020 20:14:46 GMT
I'm afraid you are wrong as usual and Northy also. So how come 25,000 older patients were moved out of hospital and into care homes? Or did that just not happen? So the Gaurdian is wrong The care home owner is wrong The Labour MP for Hove who was quoted was wrong That's an awful lot of wrongs How many deaths have happened with covid as the cause in care homes Are you suggesting that the transfer of vulnerable elderly people from Hospitals into care homes didn't happen? Seriously?
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Post by neworleanstokie on Jul 7, 2020 20:39:19 GMT
Updated today. Take a look at the data with/without masks/face coverings - it's so painfully obvious. Covid19-UK projections
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Post by Soro's Sorrows on Jul 7, 2020 21:23:28 GMT
So the Gaurdian is wrong The care home owner is wrong The Labour MP for Hove who was quoted was wrong That's an awful lot of wrongs How many deaths have happened with covid as the cause in care homes Are you suggesting that the transfer of vulnerable elderly people from Hospitals into care homes didn't happen? Seriously? Far be it from me to answer for Waga but I don't think that is what he is saying. From reading his posts he is saying that there was a choice as to accept residents back without a test and that some Privately ran care homes accepted a financial incentive to do so. Another poster far earlier in the thread stated that this was happening and that the care home his wife managed refused to accept untested residents regardless of the financial incentives been offered by the NHS. I have no idea how wide spread these financial incentives were or if care homes realised that they could refuse but it must surely be worthy of further investigation before you carry out a judge and jury sentence.
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Post by Davef on Jul 7, 2020 21:39:37 GMT
Updated today. Take a look at the data with/without masks/face coverings - it's so painfully obvious. Covid19-UK projections Looks like the US's version of Imperial College to me. Who's their Neil Ferguson?
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Post by yeokel on Jul 7, 2020 22:14:30 GMT
Updated today. Take a look at the data with/without masks/face coverings - it's so painfully obvious. Covid19-UK projections The only thing that is "so painfully obvious" about that is that you can make a graph predict anything you want it to, if you feed it the right figures. I'm not anti-mask, but those are just fictional projections designed to show particular outcomes.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2020 22:27:57 GMT
The stubbornness on not wearing a mask is very odd.
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Post by Gods on Jul 7, 2020 22:29:07 GMT
Are there any stats on mask wearing levels for the UK?
I don't wear one and I don't know anyone who does although you do see an odd one around.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2020 22:32:48 GMT
Are there any stats on mask wearing levels for the UK? I don't wear one and I don't know anyone who does although you do see an odd one around. Less than 25% according to the article I posted. They’re not even a pain to wear. It’s something actually that’s been a long held fear of mine, the thought of having my face covered horrified me. But yeah it’s sound and can’t do any harm and may make a difference and save a life or two. Why the hell wouldn’t you wear one?
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Post by Gods on Jul 7, 2020 23:01:21 GMT
Are there any stats on mask wearing levels for the UK? I don't wear one and I don't know anyone who does although you do see an odd one around. Less than 25% according to the article I posted. They’re not even a pain to wear. It’s something actually that’s been a long held fear of mine, the thought of having my face covered horrified me. But yeah it’s sound and can’t do any harm and may make a difference and save a life or two. Why the hell wouldn’t you wear one? That's a good question and one I have addressed myself to more than once. The honest answer is it would feel like wearing a kagool on a sunny day, it's a job to look good in one, it would make me look overly anxious rather than the cool guy I like to think I am and I reckon I have a decent idea of my own mortality and I don't feel at risk. That's the truth. I know all the arguments for and that it's not about me and I actually buy the argument that it would be for the common good. I think they should make it mandtory but I hope they don't.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2020 23:03:56 GMT
Less than 25% according to the article I posted. They’re not even a pain to wear. It’s something actually that’s been a long held fear of mine, the thought of having my face covered horrified me. But yeah it’s sound and can’t do any harm and may make a difference and save a life or two. Why the hell wouldn’t you wear one? That's a good question and one I have addressed myself to more than once. The honest answer is it would feel like wearing a kagool on a sunny day, it's a job to look good in one, it would make me look overly anxious rather than the cool guy I like to think I am and I reckon I have a decent idea of my own mortality and I don't feel at risk. That's the truth. I know all the arguments for and that it's not about me and I actually buy the argument that it would be for the common good. I think they should make it mandtory but I hope they don't. Fair enough. I really couldn’t give a shit how I look and actually I feel cool as fuck in it as my nose is massive anyway 😂
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Post by neworleanstokie on Jul 7, 2020 23:10:36 GMT
That's a good question and one I have addressed myself to more than once. The honest answer is it would feel like wearing a kagool on a sunny day, it's a job to look good in one, it would make me look overly anxious rather than the cool guy I like to think I am and I reckon I have a decent idea of my own mortality and I don't feel at risk. That's the truth. I know all the arguments for and that it's not about me and I actually buy the argument that it would be for the common good. I think they should make it mandtory but I hope they don't. Fair enough. I really couldn’t give a shit how I look and actually I feel cool as fuck in it as my nose is massive anyway 😂 Well said! So sad to see both in the US and UK the wearing of masks has been politicized. The observed data of say NY (masks since mid-Apr) vs TX is as I have said.. obvious.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 7, 2020 23:12:49 GMT
Fair enough. I really couldn’t give a shit how I look and actually I feel cool as fuck in it as my nose is massive anyway 😂 Well said! So sad to see both in the US and UK the wearing of masks has been politicized. The observed data of say NY (masks since mid-Apr) vs TX is as I have said.. obvious. Yeah I really don’t get the stance with not wearing one. Surely to God we want to try and stop this disease in its tracks? This is about the best way as things stand.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 7, 2020 23:37:35 GMT
Didn't take long...
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 8, 2020 0:36:35 GMT
Are you suggesting that the transfer of vulnerable elderly people from Hospitals into care homes didn't happen? Seriously? Far be it from me to answer for Waga but I don't think that is what he is saying. From reading his posts he is saying that there was a choice as to accept residents back without a test and that some Privately ran care homes accepted a financial incentive to do so. Another poster far earlier in the thread stated that this was happening and that the care home his wife managed refused to accept untested residents regardless of the financial incentives been offered by the NHS. I have no idea how wide spread these financial incentives were or if care homes realised that they could refuse but it must surely be worthy of further investigation before you carry out a judge and jury sentence. The stone cold facts are those I have already mentioned, forgive me if that's too much for you and those you attempt to defend.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jul 8, 2020 4:57:49 GMT
So the Gaurdian is wrong The care home owner is wrong The Labour MP for Hove who was quoted was wrong That's an awful lot of wrongs How many deaths have happened with covid as the cause in care homes Are you suggesting that the transfer of vulnerable elderly people from Hospitals into care homes didn't happen? Seriously? Where have I said it didn't happen What I am saying is no care home had to accept them But more than enough were willing to accept them for financial gain Playing with people's lives for money a real example of caring
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 8, 2020 5:49:04 GMT
Can anyone explain the diminishing correlation between cases and deaths in the USA... At the start of this epidemic deaths seemed to lag infections by 2 or 3 weeks, but in the past month 5/6 weeks they've diverted - cases rising rapidly, deaths steadily falling.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jul 8, 2020 6:37:31 GMT
Can anyone explain the diminishing correlation between cases and deaths in the USA... At the start of this epidemic deaths seemed to lag infections by 2 or 3 weeks, but in the past month 5/6 weeks they've diverted - cases rising rapidly, deaths steadily falling. That is interesting isn't it, I've been keeping an eye on that too. It might be that the deaths haven't kicked in yet (awful way of putting it) Or, we are getting better at treating it with remdesevir particularly effective. Or, the virus has mutated into a less harmful form. Keeping an eye on it, but it looks like good news.
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Post by Veritas on Jul 8, 2020 7:59:29 GMT
Can anyone explain the diminishing correlation between cases and deaths in the USA... At the start of this epidemic deaths seemed to lag infections by 2 or 3 weeks, but in the past month 5/6 weeks they've diverted - cases rising rapidly, deaths steadily falling. Increase in testing equals increase in confirmed cases it's not rocket science.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 8, 2020 10:28:47 GMT
Well you've obviously given this a lot of thought and researched it. So maybe I am naive - but I need a bit more than the suggestion of a few hastily categorised death certificates to get me onside to believe that every news media outlet worldwide is both falsely reporting and suppressing information in order to cover up a conspiracy to portray an inconsequential or even non existent virus as a global health threat likely to kill millions if left unchecked. But - I'm open to pursuasion - so - in order that I am fooled no longer please enlighten me as to why this 'upward manipulation' is indeed necessary - and as I've asked you before, who is behind it, how are they co-ercing multiple health organisions worldwide into complying, and what is their endgane? People who say there are conspiracies need to justify the gigantic effort that must take place for decades every single day across the entire planet. It makes for great movies and tv. For example, the Moon landings. Instead of the very well recorded effort, money and time that went in to getting men on the Moon it would have taken massively more effort, money and time for have faked them AND to have continued that fakery up till this very moment. As far as Covid is concerned, why go to the trouble of "inventing" a new virus when there are plenty of existing diseases that could do an even better job. Kids in my Y7 classes don't believe me when I say the bubonic plague still exists- they've just reported a case in China- though of course that would fit nicely into a conspiracy theory! 'Inventing' a virus gives the opportunity to make it do whatever you want. It means numbers can played with at will to control a population, moving these numbers up and down accordingly to scare people, and play with fear and panic. It means any vague symptoms, currently ranging from 'no illness at all' to death, can be added to the list. A pretty broad spectrum there. This makes it far easier to stamp Covid19 on death certificates, which is being done on symptoms alone. A real, genuinely deadly virus would be difficult to control and not be able to be used for a purpose, and it would have a list of more quantifiable symptoms.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 8, 2020 10:43:08 GMT
People who say there are conspiracies need to justify the gigantic effort that must take place for decades every single day across the entire planet. It makes for great movies and tv. For example, the Moon landings. Instead of the very well recorded effort, money and time that went in to getting men on the Moon it would have taken massively more effort, money and time for have faked them AND to have continued that fakery up till this very moment. As far as Covid is concerned, why go to the trouble of "inventing" a new virus when there are plenty of existing diseases that could do an even better job. Kids in my Y7 classes don't believe me when I say the bubonic plague still exists- they've just reported a case in China- though of course that would fit nicely into a conspiracy theory! 'Inventing' a virus gives the opportunity to make it do whatever you want. It means numbers can played with at will to control a population, moving these numbers up and down accordingly to scare people, and play with fear and panic. It means any vague symptoms, currently ranging from 'no illness at all' to death, can be added to the list. A pretty broad spectrum there. This makes it far easier to stamp Covid19 on death certificates, which is being done on symptoms alone. A real, genuinely deadly virus would be difficult to control and not be able to be used for a purpose, and it would have a list of more quantifiable symptoms. And the well respected scientists and research labs at places like Oxford Uni and all over the world in on it?
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Post by starkiller on Jul 8, 2020 10:50:44 GMT
'Inventing' a virus gives the opportunity to make it do whatever you want. It means numbers can played with at will to control a population, moving these numbers up and down accordingly to scare people, and play with fear and panic. It means any vague symptoms, currently ranging from 'no illness at all' to death, can be added to the list. A pretty broad spectrum there. This makes it far easier to stamp Covid19 on death certificates, which is being done on symptoms alone. A real, genuinely deadly virus would be difficult to control and not be able to be used for a purpose, and it would have a list of more quantifiable symptoms. And the well respected scientists and research labs at places like Oxford Uni and all over the world in on it? I quoted the word invented. Let's say that it's vastly less deadly than we are being led to believe. And carrying or testing positive for tiny elements of genetic material does not equate to infection. As we carry many such things all of the time in our bodies, even in the back of our throat. And if it was really so deadly, why was the threat officially downgraded before lockdown, and why did international travel continue? If it was really as deadly as we are told, international travel would have been shut down strictly and immediately. It's a simple executive decision.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 8, 2020 10:58:23 GMT
And the well respected scientists and research labs at places like Oxford Uni and all over the world in on it? I quoted the word invented. Let's say that it's vastly less deadly than we are being led to believe. And carrying or testing positive for tiny elements of genetic material does not equate to infection. As we carry many such things all of the time in our bodies, even in the back of our throat. And if it was really so deadly, why was the threat officially downgraded before lockdown, and why did international travel continue? If it was really as deadly as we are told, international travel would have been shut down strictly and immediately. A lot of what you say in your posts is worthy of examination and query. I think the main difference between us is where you see design, I see floundering incompetence.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 8, 2020 11:09:46 GMT
I quoted the word invented. Let's say that it's vastly less deadly than we are being led to believe. And carrying or testing positive for tiny elements of genetic material does not equate to infection. As we carry many such things all of the time in our bodies, even in the back of our throat. And if it was really so deadly, why was the threat officially downgraded before lockdown, and why did international travel continue? If it was really as deadly as we are told, international travel would have been shut down strictly and immediately. A lot of what you say in your posts is worthy of examination and query. I think the main difference between us is where you see design, I see floundering incompetence. Incompetence theory, coincidence theory or conspiracy theory. People are free to choose. I think this moves beyond coincidence however, and might give us some insight into the players in this theatre. Event 201 www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2020/03/19/the-show-must-go-on-event-201-the-2019-fictional-pandemic-exercise-world-economic-forum-gates-foundation-et-al/www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/resourcesThe event 201 website has now changed its content, but I have stored the documents used in October.
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Post by DrGonzo on Jul 8, 2020 11:11:43 GMT
I quoted the word invented. Let's say that it's vastly less deadly than we are being led to believe. And carrying or testing positive for tiny elements of genetic material does not equate to infection. As we carry many such things all of the time in our bodies, even in the back of our throat. And if it was really so deadly, why was the threat officially downgraded before lockdown, and why did international travel continue? If it was really as deadly as we are told, international travel would have been shut down strictly and immediately. A lot of what you say in your posts is worthy of examination and query. I think the main difference between us is where you see design, I see floundering incompetence. I see a lot of what Adam Curtis calls ‘HyperNormalisation’ in this sort of thinking. People would rather believe in some kind of mass organised conspiracy than come to terms with the fact that our society and government is so fragile and disseminated that it’s unable to operate with any form of effectiveness in this sort of scenario.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Jul 8, 2020 11:20:48 GMT
I think fluctuating between those three is healthy. As I've said earlier I dont think any player or group of players had the motive or would begin to believe they could control the outcomes of something like this. Its too massive and too chaotic.
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Post by starkiller on Jul 8, 2020 11:33:35 GMT
I think fluctuating between those three is healthy. As I've said earlier I dont think any player or group of players had the motive or would begin to believe they could control the outcomes of something like this. Its too massive and too chaotic. I agree, but I think fewer people need to be 'in on it' than generally assumed, particularly within the limits of controlled information and prescribed parameters. And who knows what cash or threats exchange hands at higher levels? Just look at that list of connections at event 201. The analysis website and the official website both corroborate the names. Look, this is all conjecture, and I have stated I don't want to head down the route of conjecture and and motive. Even though many on here have demanded to. You don't refuse to categorise a murdered body as murder because you have not established a motive or culprit. I will declare inconsistencies, oddities and bullshit as that when it appears that way. I will also want to ask if global authority and state gained more power and control over populations as a result. As a libertarian, if the answer is yes, I wanna know why, how, and the future ramifications. To be honest, I approach most things through the eyes of a libertarian, rather than a 'conspiracy theorist' as many wish to label me. Aliens, Elvis, Bigfoot, moon landings are not my thing. You will see from my posts on BLM, EU or this, it's about global technocratic control and authority and an innate detector of where freedom and liberty are being eroded.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Jul 8, 2020 11:36:39 GMT
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 8, 2020 11:54:32 GMT
So let me get this right... A group of people met in Manhatten regarding a pandemic and having agreed a way forward within days managed to get virtually every world leader from Trump to Putin via Merkel and Sturgeon, the entire scientific community and every main stream media outlet in the world to play along? The organisational skills involved in doing this are pretty impressive but the really clever bit for me is the way such an impeccably planned scam could be made to appear like such a massive cock up. That truly is one cunning plan Baldrick.
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Post by thisisouryear on Jul 8, 2020 12:02:19 GMT
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Post by starkiller on Jul 8, 2020 12:04:42 GMT
So let me get this right... A group of people met in Manhatten regarding a pandemic and having agreed a way forward within days managed to get virtually every world leader from Trump to Putin via Merkel and Sturgeon, the entire scientific community and every main stream media outlet in the world to play along? The organisational skills involved in doing this are pretty impressive but the really clever bit for me is the way such an impeccably planned scam could be made to appear like such a massive cock up. That truly is one cunning plan Baldrick. No that's not what I'm saying. And no-one is compelling to think anything. And a handful (about 15) of billionaires control every piece news media you receive. Much less in reality. Some have got it down to six. So much so that you can see one bloke amongst millions being killed as main headlines in every one. Now try applying the same level of critical thinking to the agenda-ridden crap they pump out.
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