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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:43:11 GMT
There’s been a lot of people banging on about needing experience. I get you need some, of course you do but if anything this squad has way too much.
One of the most experienced players cost us a win today after replacing one of the most inexperienced players in the squad who was MOM in the previous game.
This clamour for experience is just odd.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 29, 2020 18:45:36 GMT
Agreed Bayern but creating a thread about it is even odder 😉
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Post by sheds1862 on Feb 29, 2020 18:45:58 GMT
Most of the so called' experience' are mundane and bang average.
Collins must feel shit after the other night to lose his place
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Post by zerps on Feb 29, 2020 18:47:27 GMT
My nan’s got experience. Please don’t agree 😄
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:47:48 GMT
Agreed Bayern but creating a thread about it is even odder 😉 I don’t think it is. It’s an absolute disease within this club and the fanbase. So out of touch with how football is going. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 18:48:26 GMT
It's more than odd when the one bloke he's signed to provide experience has done nothing but behave like an 18 year old kiddie in chucking himself in for daft fouls in the box, to trying to dribble the ball out of his own area before tripping up and giving away a corner that leads to a goal, to just generally slicing the ball everywhere under no pressure.
I could cry that Collins was dropped after his performance the other night.
I totally agree this team and squad has too much, and it's a horrible mix of 'can't be arsed', 'too scared to be arsed', 'wahey i'm on a massive last pay day' to 'meh'. We're so short of hunger in the right areas it's untrue, but the big frustration is we have it in the areas we are missing it.
Verlinden a huge miss to be fair also.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:49:16 GMT
I find it very odd that you'll micro analyse everything other than where it suits you.
I like collins. He's a huge prospect who should eventually earn us a lot of money. However, he made 3 big mistakes in midweek that on another day would cost us goals.
You've slammed others, the most recent example being Lindsey when he made mistakes that didn't lead to goals, yet you don't do it on others.
Strange.
I'd have brought Chester back in today, maybe not at the expense of Collins, but I'd have played him all the same.
Collins performance at blackburn was hardly shawcross v Cardiff all those years ago, very decent though it was.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:50:52 GMT
I find it very odd that you'll micro analyse everything other than where it suits you. I like collins. He's a huge prospect who should eventually earn us a lot of money. However, he made 3 big mistakes in midweek that on another day would cost us goals. You've slammed others, the most recent example being Lindsey when he made mistakes that didn't lead to goals, yet you don't do it on others. Strange. I'd have brought Chester back in today, maybe not at the expense of Collins, but I'd have played him all the same. Collins performance at blackburn was hardly shawcross v Cardiff all those years ago, very decent though it was. I don’t think he made 3 mistakes that’s why 😂 |
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 29, 2020 18:50:57 GMT
People say the same about the manager aswell and it grips my shit. “He’s never managed at this level, he can’t possibly succeed” - it’s utter nonsense.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:52:07 GMT
I find it very odd that you'll micro analyse everything other than where it suits you. I like collins. He's a huge prospect who should eventually earn us a lot of money. However, he made 3 big mistakes in midweek that on another day would cost us goals. You've slammed others, the most recent example being Lindsey when he made mistakes that didn't lead to goals, yet you don't do it on others. Strange. I'd have brought Chester back in today, maybe not at the expense of Collins, but I'd have played him all the same. Collins performance at blackburn was hardly shawcross v Cardiff all those years ago, very decent though it was. I don’t think he made 3 mistakes that’s why 😂 There are none so blind as those that will not see. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:52:27 GMT
People say the same about the manager aswell and it grips my shit. “He’s never managed at this level, he can’t possibly succeed” - it’s utter nonsense. Oh yeah that was utter shite too and again very strange I thought. He can essentially take a side about as good as Vale and make them compete with Germany etc. Who gives a crap if he’s never managed in this country before? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:53:10 GMT
I don’t think he made 3 mistakes that’s why 😂 There are none so blind as those that will not see. Not at all Dave. It just didn’t happen. He’s also way better than Shawcross at this age too. Which is awesome. |
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Post by adi on Feb 29, 2020 18:53:58 GMT
We have some exciting young players at the club and at least we have the opportunity to play them next season. League 1 or in a more comfortable position in this league I’d hope and expect it to happen. I don’t think any manager would risk their job on youth this season and I don’t blame O’Neill for not doing it now. I get that the experienced players have been woeful but I’m not sure that putting youngsters into the fray at this critical stage is the right thing to do.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:56:17 GMT
There are none so blind as those that will not see. Not at all Dave. It just didn’t happen. He’s also way better than Shawcross at this age too. Which is awesome. He needlessly got drawn out to challenge for 3 headers, all of which he lost, and let them in behind us. He also got stupidly tight and easily rolled early on in a very Liam Lindsey type piece of defending. He's excellent, don't get me wrong, but you only see what you want to see. Talking of which, ince was quality again! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 18:57:28 GMT
Not at all Dave. It just didn’t happen. He’s also way better than Shawcross at this age too. Which is awesome. He needlessly got drawn out to challenge for 3 headers, all of which he lost, and let them in behind us. He also got stupidly tight and easily rolled early on in a very Liam Lindsey type piece of defending. He's excellent, don't get me wrong, but you only see what you want to see. Talking of which, ince was quality again! Ince hasn’t been quality all season has he. But people only see what they want to see  And again I disagree re Collins. He was pretty faultless on Wednesday. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:57:36 GMT
Not at all Dave. It just didn’t happen. He’s also way better than Shawcross at this age too. Which is awesome. He needlessly got drawn out to challenge for 3 headers, all of which he lost, and let them in behind us. He also got stupidly tight and easily rolled early on in a very Liam Lindsey type piece of defending. He's excellent, don't get me wrong, but you only see what you want to see. Talking of which, ince was quality again! Thats exactly what O’Neill said after about those headers which I’ve just put on another thread |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 29, 2020 18:58:21 GMT
He needlessly got drawn out to challenge for 3 headers, all of which he lost, and let them in behind us. He also got stupidly tight and easily rolled early on in a very Liam Lindsey type piece of defending. He's excellent, don't get me wrong, but you only see what you want to see. Talking of which, ince was quality again! Thats exactly what O’Neill said after about those headers which I’ve just put on another thread Was it? Interesting. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 29, 2020 18:59:10 GMT
There’s been a lot of people banging on about needing experience. I get you need some, of course you do but if anything this squad has way too much. One of the most experienced players cost us a win today after replacing one of the most inexperienced players in the squad who was MOM in the previous game. This clamour for experience is just odd. It is totally odd and very Stoke Sure we need 6 or 7 'experienced' players but we also need a massive injection of youngsters who know no fear unlike this current mob It may well make or break them but I am only really concerned about our status The way we treat most youngsters up until now they usually fade in to obscurity anyways |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 18:59:31 GMT
He needlessly got drawn out to challenge for 3 headers, all of which he lost, and let them in behind us. He also got stupidly tight and easily rolled early on in a very Liam Lindsey type piece of defending. He's excellent, don't get me wrong, but you only see what you want to see. Talking of which, ince was quality again! Thats exactly what O’Neill said after about those headers which I’ve just put on another thread O'Neill had a sly dig at Collins after a virtual MOTM performance the other night. Tonight he has described Chester's tackle as 'unfortunate'. Sorry but that is double standards and that's something I cannot abide. He even admitted that Chester stuck in a blind toe as a player came in from behind. What type of experienced player does that and gets away with it? |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 29, 2020 19:02:02 GMT
Thats exactly what O’Neill said after about those headers which I’ve just put on another thread O'Neill had a sly dig at Collins after a virtual MOTM performance the other night. Tonight he has described Chester's tackle as 'unfortunate'. Sorry but that is double standards and that's something I cannot abide. He even admitted that Chester stuck in a blind toe as a player came in from behind. What type of experienced player does that and gets away with it? Didn’t we have a certain other manager that did exactly the same on a regular basis🤔 |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 29, 2020 19:02:46 GMT
He needlessly got drawn out to challenge for 3 headers, all of which he lost, and let them in behind us. He also got stupidly tight and easily rolled early on in a very Liam Lindsey type piece of defending. He's excellent, don't get me wrong, but you only see what you want to see. Talking of which, ince was quality again! Thats exactly what O’Neill said after about those headers which I’ve just put on another thread He said that? What a weapon. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Feb 29, 2020 19:03:19 GMT
Thats exactly what O’Neill said after about those headers which I’ve just put on another thread O'Neill had a sly dig at Collins after a virtual MOTM performance the other night. Tonight he has described Chester's tackle as 'unfortunate'. Sorry but that is double standards and that's something I cannot abide. He even admitted that Chester stuck in a blind toe as a player came in from behind. What type of experienced player does that and gets away with it? very unclassy |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 19:49:04 GMT
I think someone has hacked Bayern’s account..... I actually agree with everything he says  |
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Feb 29, 2020 20:02:51 GMT
I really don't get the Chester signing. I'll be honest & say I didn't know a great deal about him (My love affair with football ended a long time ago & I've watched only Stoke games for a good ten years or more now) But from what I'd read about him on here he was going to be somekind of Rio Ferdinand type player, galloping out of defence & linking up brilliantly with our midfield & getting everything moving. That couldn't be further from the case going by what I've seen so far, how he has managed to break-up the Batth/Lindsay partnership I don't know (Although that shouldn't have been a partnership in the first place, we should be playing Collins and, when fit, Shawcross.)
It still feels like everytime we take a step forward we take two back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 20:06:31 GMT
People say the same about the manager aswell and it grips my shit. “He’s never managed at this level, he can’t possibly succeed” - it’s utter nonsense. We'll have to see about that later, 10 games from now. I think he'll succeed, but if we do go down, he will have failed. His task was to gain enough points to add to the few that Jones got us. It may have been a tall order but O'Neill accepted the challenge... |
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Post by tosh on Feb 29, 2020 20:23:39 GMT
People say the same about the manager aswell and it grips my shit. “He’s never managed at this level, he can’t possibly succeed” - it’s utter nonsense. We'll have to see about that later, 10 games from now. I think he'll succeed, but if we do go down, he will have failed. His task was to gain enough points to add to the few that Jones got us. It may have been a tall order but O'Neill accepted the challenge... You have no evidence to say that the board engaged him on the basis that if we were relegated, he would automatically be considered to have failed. Survival was looking near impossible when he came in. I didn’t like some of his decisions today, but he has done a very good job so far with the squad he inherited. He has converted the worst relegation fodder team in this league, into a team with top half form, so far, during his tenure. |
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Post by march4 on Feb 29, 2020 20:27:44 GMT
Can I play?
I’ve got loads of experience.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 29, 2020 20:36:39 GMT
There’s been a lot of people banging on about needing experience. I get you need some, of course you do but if anything this squad has way too much. One of the most experienced players cost us a win today after replacing one of the most inexperienced players in the squad who was MOM in the previous game. This clamour for experience is just odd. Bringing Chester in is a massive mistake, we needed players in areas where we are light not another CB and certainly one who is unfit, this is down to the manager ! dropping Collins today to bring a walking disaster into the team was pathetic as was his in game management. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 20:47:19 GMT
There’s been a lot of people banging on about needing experience. I get you need some, of course you do but if anything this squad has way too much. One of the most experienced players cost us a win today after replacing one of the most inexperienced players in the squad who was MOM in the previous game. This clamour for experience is just odd. Bringing Chester in is a massive mistake, we needed players in areas where we are light not another CB and certainly one who is unfit, this is down to the manager ! dropping Collins today to bring a walking disaster into the team was pathetic as was his in game management. Nail on head mate |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 21:08:40 GMT
I agree.
Most if not all of top clubs in the world signs players without experience, play players without experience and at times signs managers without their league experience.
This whole experience stuff is bullshit.
Need to get rid of the mentality if we really want to progress.
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