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Post by ravey123 on Jan 25, 2020 9:25:52 GMT
I see we're being linked with centre halves this window. Is this a sign that Ryan's injury is worse than thought. Have there been any updates since he went off injured a few games ago - the silence is deafening from the club on this.
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Post by Gods on Jan 25, 2020 9:42:38 GMT
He's suffered 2 setbacks in attempting to come back from his horror injury in pre-season.
He is getting long in the tooth as well and you wonder if he is over his well documented back problems.
I hope we can get him back as a going concern, no one else has looked nearly as commanding.
But who knows...
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Post by werrington on Jan 25, 2020 9:44:57 GMT
O’Neill said last week he’d miss the West Brom game as it was too soon, it’s only 5 days since that
It’s not long term
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 25, 2020 9:52:43 GMT
The kind of injuries he's getting is the norm for someone coming back from a serious injury, we probably won't see him back regularly until next season tbh.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 25, 2020 9:54:43 GMT
Anyway, I don't think we can expect to rely on Ryan from now on as he isn't getting any younger and injuries seem to be coming and going all the time.  It's nice to know though that both Collins and Souttar are promising young central defenders already on our books.  |
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 25, 2020 10:08:48 GMT
These niggling and secondary injuries always crop up after return from a more significant one. It's the body's way of compensating for relative inactivity and moving differently to protect the main injury. Has always happened and always will. The age factor with Ryan means it just needs to take a little longer to recover from the secondary niggles. Once he has done and got some games under his belt he will be OK, but of course in his early thirties the niggles become more frequent and recovery times longer which breaks up momentum. He needs a good run of games to flush out the niggles once he can.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 10:25:30 GMT
I think the smart thing to do is get someone on loan and rest Ryan wherever possible until the summer, I think we're (rightly) very nervous to rush him back now.
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Post by ethers26 on Jan 25, 2020 10:40:44 GMT
Nathan Collins reminds me of a young Ryan Shawcross
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Post by Davef on Jan 25, 2020 11:07:08 GMT
He's suffered 2 setbacks in attempting to come back from his horror injury in pre-season. He is getting long in the tooth as well and you wonder if he is over his well documented back problems. I hope we can get him back as a going concern, no one else has looked nearly as commanding. But who knows... When was the last time he was out with a back injury? |
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Post by lordb on Jan 25, 2020 11:07:54 GMT
Nathan Collins reminds me of a young Ryan Shawcross Yes but Collins is miles better on the ball |
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Post by lordb on Jan 25, 2020 11:08:13 GMT
He's suffered 2 setbacks in attempting to come back from his horror injury in pre-season. He is getting long in the tooth as well and you wonder if he is over his well documented back problems. I hope we can get him back as a going concern, no one else has looked nearly as commanding. But who knows... When was the last time he was out with a back injury? Years now. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 25, 2020 11:12:53 GMT
Seems like Ryan's injuries are catching up with him, he's never in for long now before being out again
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 11:16:24 GMT
Anyway, I don't think we can expect to rely on Ryan from now on as he isn't getting any younger and injuries seem to be coming and going all the time. It's nice to know though that both Collins and Souttar are promising young central defenders already on our books. I think the wording "don't think we can expect to rely on Ryan from now on" is wrong. We can certainly rely on him to do his best whenever he runs out on the pitch. How often that is is less reliable, but he could still be in the team every so often for a few more years. Neither Collins nor Souttar seem to have O'Neill's number. It could change, but it would have been nice if Collins had been called upon when Batth and Lindsay were struggling, which they have been for most games except WBA. |
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Post by Gods on Jan 25, 2020 11:19:40 GMT
He's suffered 2 setbacks in attempting to come back from his horror injury in pre-season. He is getting long in the tooth as well and you wonder if he is over his well documented back problems. I hope we can get him back as a going concern, no one else has looked nearly as commanding. But who knows... When was the last time he was out with a back injury? A while ago but it sounded like one of those ones for which there was no answer beyond rest. There can't be anyone not 'wondering' if it may come back if Ryan is back in the wars again. |
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Post by mattythestokie on Jan 25, 2020 11:21:39 GMT
When was the last time he was out with a back injury? A while ago but it sounded like one of those ones for which there was no answer beyond rest. There can't be anyone not 'wondering' if it may come back if Ryan is back in the wars again. He played a whole championship season last season. He’s been back in the wars. His back seems fine. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 25, 2020 11:22:14 GMT
Anyway, I don't think we can expect to rely on Ryan from now on as he isn't getting any younger and injuries seem to be coming and going all the time. It's nice to know though that both Collins and Souttar are promising young central defenders already on our books. I think the wording "don't think we can expect to rely on Ryan from now on" is wrong. We can certainly rely on him to do his best whenever he runs out on the pitch. How often that is is less reliable, but he could still be in the team every so often for a few more years. Neither Collins nor Souttar seem to have O'Neill's number. It could change, but it would have been nice if Collins had been called upon when Batth and Lindsay were struggling, which they have been for most games except WBA. I love Ryan, but if he can't play regularly I think we'll fare better with a player able to play most of the games. A defensive unit needs to play together to become a unit as I see it. |
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Post by Gods on Jan 25, 2020 11:28:53 GMT
A while ago but it sounded like one of those ones for which there was no answer beyond rest. There can't be anyone not 'wondering' if it may come back if Ryan is back in the wars again. He played a whole championship season last season. He’s been back in the wars. His back seems fine. He did, good point. Maybe I'm wide of the mark with the back. 33 in October, perhaps that's the biggest threat to his longevity. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but we're right to line up a successor. |
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Post by Davef on Jan 25, 2020 11:52:30 GMT
He played a whole championship season last season. He’s been back in the wars. His back seems fine. He did, good point. Maybe I'm wide of the mark with the back. 33 in October, perhaps that's the biggest threat to his longevity. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but we're right to line up a successor. We have one in Nathan Collins. Anybody we do sign this month will probably only be a temporary one to help us through the situation we currently find ourselves in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 14:12:06 GMT
A while ago but it sounded like one of those ones for which there was no answer beyond rest. There can't be anyone not 'wondering' if it may come back if Ryan is back in the wars again. He played a whole championship season last season. He’s been back in the wars. His back seems fine. He didn't play a whole term last season. He played 36, which means he missed out on 10 games. But it wasn't (officially( because he was injured. He was dropped, first by Rowett, then by Jones, though it's up to discussion whether he was dropped because he was not fully fit. His form was poor. Like many other players last season, playing in a division below was demotivating. But whatever you think of Rowett and Jones, they did the right thing; each time he was dropped he came back with a vengence. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 14:24:00 GMT
O’Neill said last week he’d miss the West Brom game as it was too soon, it’s only 5 days since that It’s not long term Not long term? He has been out with this injury since Fulham. I do think that if we were conceding four or five, we may have been rushing him back earlier though. |
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 25, 2020 17:07:18 GMT
He will lead the squad next year make no mistake
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Post by ravey123 on Jan 25, 2020 18:03:30 GMT
He played a whole championship season last season. He’s been back in the wars. His back seems fine. He did, good point. Maybe I'm wide of the mark with the back. 33 in October, perhaps that's the biggest threat to his longevity. Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but we're right to line up a successor. We already have his successor at the club - named Collins |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 14, 2020 14:32:33 GMT
Good to hear
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Post by Cast no shadow on Feb 14, 2020 14:40:34 GMT
I wonder how much those extra minutes up front vs Fulham impacted the extent of his injury.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Feb 14, 2020 15:14:01 GMT
Hurry up Ryan, just so we don't have to endure too many more minutes from Batth. |
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Post by hyaduck on Feb 15, 2020 4:39:10 GMT
Not a massive fan of Shawcross (as a player not person) but Batth is getting slower and makes the defence look a complete shower
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Post by s7oke on Feb 15, 2020 6:15:01 GMT
Not a massive fan of Shawcross (as a player not person) but Batth is getting slower and makes the defence look a complete shower Obviously you are joking???? |
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