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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 24, 2020 10:35:12 GMT
Was it game against Portsmouth where Wilko would have got goal of the season if it had gone in? Just went over the bar.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 10:38:09 GMT
Was it game against Portsmouth where Wilko would have got goal of the season if it had gone in? Just went over the bar. Yes, Johnny Butler-esque dribble up the pitch and finished with a near perfect howitzer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 10:41:10 GMT
Call this the raving of a demented fool but I personally think he offers more than Smith and would have him in the team. He has dips in form but breaking news - young players will. If only dipped in and out of form he'd play more often. He hasn't been "in form" all season. He's slumped from what was already a low base, not dipped. What attributes does he actually have? You can see tyrese is a goalscorer. You can see Collins is great in the air, good on the ball and a leader. You can see thibaud is tricky with 2 good feet. Even lasse Sorenson you can see is a tidy footballer with a good brain. What does Edwards offer? He's not great in 1 v 1 situations he doesn't stop crosses coming into the box, he isn't quick, he's no trick when he's going forward and his crossing, which is supposed to be his best attribute, is as hit and miss as McLean's. You missed off his defending at the back post which is horrific
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 24, 2020 11:01:56 GMT
I love this back post thing. Smith has been done half a dozen times in the same way and he hasn't had to put up with the car crash of McClean and Clucas allowing scores unchallenged crosses into the box each game either.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 24, 2020 11:05:53 GMT
If only dipped in and out of form he'd play more often. He hasn't been "in form" all season. He's slumped from what was already a low base, not dipped. What attributes does he actually have? You can see tyrese is a goalscorer. You can see Collins is great in the air, good on the ball and a leader. You can see thibaud is tricky with 2 good feet. Even lasse Sorenson you can see is a tidy footballer with a good brain. What does Edwards offer? He's not great in 1 v 1 situations he doesn't stop crosses coming into the box, he isn't quick, he's no trick when he's going forward and his crossing, which is supposed to be his best attribute, is as hit and miss as McLean's. He is quick, he overlaps and he's capable of a decent zip of a ball into the box. What does Smith offer? We aren't talking about Smith are we? Smith offers very little, much like edwards. He's doing better in 1 v 1 situations though and he's putting in tackles that stop crosses coming into the box. We don't have a full back worthy of the name.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 24, 2020 11:06:34 GMT
If only dipped in and out of form he'd play more often. He hasn't been "in form" all season. He's slumped from what was already a low base, not dipped. What attributes does he actually have? You can see tyrese is a goalscorer. You can see Collins is great in the air, good on the ball and a leader. You can see thibaud is tricky with 2 good feet. Even lasse Sorenson you can see is a tidy footballer with a good brain. What does Edwards offer? He's not great in 1 v 1 situations he doesn't stop crosses coming into the box, he isn't quick, he's no trick when he's going forward and his crossing, which is supposed to be his best attribute, is as hit and miss as McLean's. You missed off his defending at the back post which is horrific Mmm...as is Smith's.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 24, 2020 11:11:46 GMT
Was it game against Portsmouth where Wilko would have got goal of the season if it had gone in? Just went over the bar. Wilko was an excellent full back. Quick, brave and was actually decent in the timing of his forays forward in that he regularly opened up space for the likes of Lawrence and pennant. Wilko was massively underrated. His passion masked what a good player he was.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 24, 2020 11:33:59 GMT
He is quick, he overlaps and he's capable of a decent zip of a ball into the box. What does Smith offer? We aren't talking about Smith are we? Smith offers very little, much like edwards. He's doing better in 1 v 1 situations though and he's putting in tackles that stop crosses coming into the box. We don't have a full back worthy of the name. How can we not talk about Smith when he's the current starting right back and your entire issue was me saying I'd have Edwards in over him? I'll give you the 1-1 situations, I don't think he stops the cross particularly better than Edwards and his use of the ball under no pressure is panicky and frequently hinders us going forward. He also goes AWOL at the back stick and doesn't seem to know where he's supposed to be.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 11:39:26 GMT
Edwards has done nothing to warrant a place in the team all season. Hes been abysmal whenever selected.
I'm no fan of Smith either, but he is marginally better in my opinion.
And you don't mess about with a defence when your team looks solid and is finally keeping clean sheets.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 24, 2020 11:45:25 GMT
I've got no problem at all with MON keeping the defence the same while we're not letting many in. Just saying my personal preference would be Edwards over Smith and for Liam Lindsay to be fired into the heart of the sun.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 24, 2020 11:52:57 GMT
I love this back post thing. Smith has been done half a dozen times in the same way and he hasn't had to put up with the car crash of McClean and Clucas allowing scores unchallenged crosses into the box each game either. It is amusing that people have forgotten about it.
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Post by neddy on Jan 24, 2020 12:01:57 GMT
Surely people wouldn’t change a back four that has kept two clean sheets?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 12:12:33 GMT
Surely people wouldn’t change a back four that has kept two clean sheets? Read the thread. Some are obviously keen. MON is level headed though. He knows what hes doing.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 24, 2020 12:30:51 GMT
We aren't talking about Smith are we? Smith offers very little, much like edwards. He's doing better in 1 v 1 situations though and he's putting in tackles that stop crosses coming into the box. We don't have a full back worthy of the name. How can we not talk about Smith when he's the current starting right back and your entire issue was me saying I'd have Edwards in over him? I'll give you the 1-1 situations, I don't think he stops the cross particularly better than Edwards and his use of the ball under no pressure is panicky and frequently hinders us going forward. He also goes AWOL at the back stick and doesn't seem to know where he's supposed to be. Seems like you agree with me then. Neither are very good but Smith, on current form, marginally edges things. Both are the best part of hopeless in truth. Oh, and for the record, my issue isn't with you saying you'd have Edwards over him because it is like asking whether you would prefer to be punched in the stomach or face by Mike Tyson. Neither are particularly pleasant. My issue is that I see nothing in Tom Edwards at all and haven't done from very early in his playing career with us and my even bigger issue with him is that he doesn't seemed to have learned or improved in the slightest since making his debut. Given that my rating of him is so low, I was wondering what attributes a well respected poster and football enthusiast sees in young Tom Edwards. I can see many positive things in many of our youngsters, even when they may not have played particularly well, but I don't see it with Edwards at all.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 24, 2020 12:37:19 GMT
How can we not talk about Smith when he's the current starting right back and your entire issue was me saying I'd have Edwards in over him? I'll give you the 1-1 situations, I don't think he stops the cross particularly better than Edwards and his use of the ball under no pressure is panicky and frequently hinders us going forward. He also goes AWOL at the back stick and doesn't seem to know where he's supposed to be. Seems like you agree with me then. Neither are very good but Smith, on current form, marginally edges things. Both are the best part of hopeless in truth. Oh, and for the record, my issue isn't with you saying you'd have Edwards over him because it is like asking whether you would prefer to be punched in the stomach or face by Mike Tyson. Neither are particularly pleasant. My issue is that I see nothing in Tom Edwards at all and haven't done from very early in his playing career with us and my even bigger issue with him is that he doesn't seemed to have learned or improved in the slightest since making his debut. Given that my rating of him is so low, I was wondering what attributes a well respected poster and football enthusiast sees in young Tom Edwards. I can see many positive things in many of our youngsters, even when they may not have played particularly well, but I don't see it with Edwards at all. Don't confuse 'prolific' with 'respected' I wouldn't quibble with things as they are given how fragile the defence has been before now, but I think Edwards offers more overall and has a higher ceiling potential-wise than Smith, who I see pretty much nothing in beyond being a warm body to get in the way of stuff.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 24, 2020 13:02:43 GMT
Surely people wouldn’t change a back four that has kept two clean sheets? Read the thread. Some are obviously keen. MON is level headed though. He knows what hes doing. I don't think they are as such, just saying that now we've had a good look at Smith, they wouldn't mind the reintegration of Edwards at some point. Just as two clean sheets doesn't make Batth and Lindsay any sort of long term answer if you look deeply at their performance. MON is proving himself to be a shrewd operator but let that not stand in the way of the obvious conclusion that other than a fit Shawcross, our defence needs ripping up and starting again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 13:25:29 GMT
Read the thread. Some are obviously keen. MON is level headed though. He knows what hes doing. I don't think they are as such, just saying that now we've had a good look at Smith, they wouldn't mind the reintegration of Edwards at some point. Just as two clean sheets doesn't make Batth and Lindsay any sort of long term answer if you look deeply at their performance. MON is proving himself to be a shrewd operator but let that not stand in the way of the obvious conclusion that other than a fit Shawcross, our defence needs ripping up and starting again. Completely agree. I just think some people have short memories. You talk about the defence being ripped up and starting again, and Edwards is very much part of that issue. He's been garbage this season.
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Post by mamasgloves on Jan 25, 2020 21:50:15 GMT
I think Smith has shown he is far more capable moving forward and I believe he will only get better. . I think you're seeing things. He's been abysmal as an attacking force for us and bang average defensively. Did anyone mention Middlesbrough or Fulham in the recent cannon of the great man's recent defensive work?! 🙈
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 25, 2020 22:00:06 GMT
He has a chance to go out on loan well away from here, let's see if he wants the chance to play and learn and progress.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 25, 2020 22:03:29 GMT
I think you're seeing things. He's been abysmal as an attacking force for us and bang average defensively. Did anyone mention Middlesbrough or Fulham in the recent cannon of the great man's recent defensive work?! 🙈 Really bloody poor first half, pretty bloody excellent second half, long may it continue!
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 26, 2020 1:21:25 GMT
He has a chance to go out on loan well away from here, let's see if he wants the chance to play and learn and progress. He's not learning and progressing here though mate he's actually regressing massively from where he was 2 years ago. I think it's best he goes out on loan and tries to rediscover his mojo and we get in someone who can offer competition to Smith. If Edwards wasn't an academy player he'd be absolutely slaughtered on here.
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Post by bertiestan on Jan 26, 2020 2:28:32 GMT
He has a chance to go out on loan well away from here, let's see if he wants the chance to play and learn and progress. Any idea where glasgow?
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Post by xchpotter on Jan 26, 2020 7:27:48 GMT
If anyone can sort him out then based upon his record so far, O’Neil is the one. The question will be whether Edwards wants to do so or is capable. There is a footballer in there, but he is way, way off the pace and deservedly nowhere near the first team.
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