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Post by logdog on Jan 12, 2020 14:59:23 GMT
And it is to Michael O’Neill’s considerable credit that he has made them into something resembling a hard to break down, relatively organised unit... I don’t think we’re that at all tbh. Statistics would suggest otherwise.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 12, 2020 15:19:26 GMT
I don’t think we’re that at all tbh. Statistics would suggest otherwise. We still concede about 1.3 a game under MON? That’s still not great. And the back 5 itself look a right clusterfuck.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 12, 2020 15:44:57 GMT
Is he your boyfriend? He's wank. Really? Grow up mate Your defence of him is extremely fucking odd. Not to say idiotic
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Post by mamasgloves on Jan 13, 2020 9:15:07 GMT
Your defence of him is extremely fucking odd. Not to say idiotic It's called having a debate sheik, something you're seemingly incapable of without resorting to swearing every other word or suggesting someone is gay because they don't agree with your particular point of view.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2020 9:28:33 GMT
Your defence of him is extremely fucking odd. Not to say idiotic It's called having a debate sheik, something you're seemingly incapable of without resorting to swearing every other word or suggesting someone is gay because they don't agree with your particular point of view. It was a joke you big fanny!
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Post by stokiejohn60 on Jan 13, 2020 10:12:55 GMT
Can you explain how it's a joke...
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Post by walrus on Jan 13, 2020 10:23:25 GMT
When Edwards first broke into the team,he was one of the best crossers of the ball we had,but for some reason, that's gone to shit. It strikes me that he’s one of those who puts in better balls when he has less time to think about it. When he has time to take a touch or two and set himself his crosses are generally worse. I think since he’s got a reputation as a good crosser, the team at large has been trying to work it out to him in a crossing position more often, meaning we see more crosses that he’s had time to think about which aren’t his strength.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jan 13, 2020 10:53:57 GMT
Statistics would suggest otherwise. We still concede about 1.3 a game under MON? That’s still not great. And the back 5 itself look a right clusterfuck. 9 in our last 8 games, 7th best in the division for both goals scored and goals conceded supports the OP's point. Comapred to 33 conceded in 19 with the same squad is an impressive shift
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2020 11:31:26 GMT
We still concede about 1.3 a game under MON? That’s still not great. And the back 5 itself look a right clusterfuck. 9 in our last 8 games, 7th best in the division for both goals scored and goals conceded supports the OP's point. Comapred to 33 conceded in 19 with the same squad is an impressive shift So what's the record in his time here then?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 13, 2020 11:37:50 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jan 13, 2020 11:44:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2020 11:44:58 GMT
The stats are quite startling. Shows what a poor job NJ did. MON doing great with the mess he inherited.
(Stats below do not include the Milwall match).
NJ Played 14 Won 2 Drew 2 Lost 10 PPG 0.57 GS 13 (0.93 PG) GA 25 (1.78 PG)
MON Played 11 Won 5 Drew 1 Lost 5 PPG 1.45 GS 20 (1.82 PG) GA 15 (1.36 PG)
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Post by LankyPotter on Jan 13, 2020 12:00:14 GMT
No, he shouldn't! Smith is certainly not the best right back in this league, but he is certainly better than Edwards. If we could get rid of Edwards we should, but with the new contract he'll be here, sitting on his arse, for 5 years! Welcome to the world of Mr Tony Scholes!! Tbf we tied down one of the better prospects to come out of our academy to a long contract which is not to dissimilar to the situation with Tyrese. How TE has reacted to receiving that contract is not in the clubs control and shines a light onto his mentality.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Jan 13, 2020 12:31:21 GMT
It’s no coincidence that we’ve conceded less goals since Edwards has disappeared, the amount of times this season that we’ve conceded from a cross on the back post is quite unbelievable.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2020 13:21:14 GMT
Not as bad then tbf! They still scare me shitless though. Even on Saturday in a pointless turgid nothing game they looked like clowns.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2020 13:22:01 GMT
It’s no coincidence that we’ve conceded less goals since Edwards has disappeared, the amount of times this season that we’ve conceded from a cross on the back post is quite unbelievable. Smith has been done at the back post about the same amout of times.
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Post by Gob Bluth on Jan 13, 2020 13:40:25 GMT
On Saturday the similarities between the two of them really struck me. I hope I'm not doing him too much of a disservice but I feel like Tom gets more nervous towards the end of close games. I say this because he checks back or holds back on crosses much more in the second half. Please feel free to shout me down or correct me because it's only a feeling, I don't have any empirical evidence. This really has to be expected and hopefully with playing time and the right backing he can progress through this.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 13, 2020 14:50:43 GMT
Smith isn't great but we look far more solid defensively since he's replaced Edwards at right back and the results and scorelines reflect that.
O'Neil clearly doesn't have an issue with young players - both Campbell and Verlinden got game time at the weekend. Bizarre as it sounds he does appear to have a problem with players struggling to deliver on the pitch regardless of age. Ward is hardly in the first flush of youth and he's received the same treatment as Edwards. And long may it continue - youth shouldn't be a passport to a place in the team.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 13, 2020 16:20:50 GMT
Smith isn't great but we look far more solid defensively since he's replaced Edwards at right back and the results and scorelines reflect that. O'Neil clearly doesn't have an issue with young players - both Campbell and Verlinden got game time at the weekend. Bizarre as it sounds he does appear to have a problem with players struggling to deliver on the pitch regardless of age. Ward is hardly in the first flush of youth and he's received the same treatment as Edwards. And long may it continue - youth shouldn't be a passport to a place in the team. Hopefully we'll see this even handedness continue and Smith will be bombed out of the team after his abysmal efforts on Saturday.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jan 13, 2020 16:47:37 GMT
Play him right wing, his crossing his better than his defending.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 14, 2020 12:56:54 GMT
Smith isn't great but we look far more solid defensively since he's replaced Edwards at right back and the results and scorelines reflect that. O'Neil clearly doesn't have an issue with young players - both Campbell and Verlinden got game time at the weekend. Bizarre as it sounds he does appear to have a problem with players struggling to deliver on the pitch regardless of age. Ward is hardly in the first flush of youth and he's received the same treatment as Edwards. And long may it continue - youth shouldn't be a passport to a place in the team. Hopefully we'll see this even handedness continue and Smith will be bombed out of the team after his abysmal efforts on Saturday. A performance so abysmal the opposition hardly had a shot on goal and we came away without conceding. What is O'Neil thinking - a defensive unit that actually knows how to defend. It will never catch on - break it up now before it's too late.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 14, 2020 12:59:29 GMT
Play him right wing, his crossing his better than his defending. Like a modern day Ryan Shotton :-)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2020 13:20:15 GMT
Hopefully we'll see this even handedness continue and Smith will be bombed out of the team after his abysmal efforts on Saturday. A performance so abysmal the opposition hardly had a shot on goal and we came away without conceding. What is O'Neil thinking - a defensive unit that actually knows how to defend. It will never catch on - break it up now before it's too late. You mean EXACTLY like the Reading match that Edwards was hooked for an identical display to Smith's on Saturday? £4M on the feckless Smith makes me want to weep. You think that defence will keep us up?! I will gently suggest you're talking out of your hat!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 15:55:25 GMT
Smith isn't great but we look far more solid defensively since he's replaced Edwards at right back and the results and scorelines reflect that. O'Neil clearly doesn't have an issue with young players - both Campbell and Verlinden got game time at the weekend. Bizarre as it sounds he does appear to have a problem with players struggling to deliver on the pitch regardless of age. Ward is hardly in the first flush of youth and he's received the same treatment as Edwards. And long may it continue - youth shouldn't be a passport to a place in the team. Hopefully we'll see this even handedness continue and Smith will be bombed out of the team after his abysmal efforts on Saturday. Bombed out for who ? The alternative is no better man,in fact he's worse. Chopping and changing defenders is half the problem
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 14, 2020 16:01:09 GMT
Hopefully we'll see this even handedness continue and Smith will be bombed out of the team after his abysmal efforts on Saturday. Bombed out for who ? The alternative is no better man,in fact he's worse. Chopping and changing defenders is half the problem The back four we fielded on Saturday was horrendous as we'll no doubt find out on Monday night, even against a team not in the best form.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 14, 2020 16:11:15 GMT
A performance so abysmal the opposition hardly had a shot on goal and we came away without conceding. What is O'Neil thinking - a defensive unit that actually knows how to defend. It will never catch on - break it up now before it's too late. You mean EXACTLY like the Reading match that Edwards was hooked for an identical display to Smith's on Saturday? £4M on the feckless Smith makes me want to weep. You think that defence will keep us up?! I will gently suggest you're talking out of your hat! Our defence isn't great but do you seriously think replacing Smith with Edwards will improve it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 16:15:24 GMT
Bombed out for who ? The alternative is no better man,in fact he's worse. Chopping and changing defenders is half the problem The back four we fielded on Saturday was horrendous as we'll no doubt find out on Monday night, even against a team not in the best form. What alternative is there ? Ryan has been injured. Collins is a possibility . And that's your lot
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 14, 2020 16:16:02 GMT
You mean EXACTLY like the Reading match that Edwards was hooked for an identical display to Smith's on Saturday? £4M on the feckless Smith makes me want to weep. You think that defence will keep us up?! I will gently suggest you're talking out of your hat! Our defence isn't great but do you seriously think replacing Smith with Edwards will improve it? Make your mind up, you said our defence "actually knows how to defend" two posts ago
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 14, 2020 16:23:26 GMT
Bombed out for who ? The alternative is no better man,in fact he's worse. Chopping and changing defenders is half the problem The back four we fielded on Saturday was horrendous as we'll no doubt find out on Monday night, even against a team not in the best form. When did "horrendous" come to define a defensive performance that involved no goals conceded and hardly a shot on goal against the league's form team? The game was dreadful as a spectacle but in no way was it a horrendous defensive performance.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jan 14, 2020 16:28:56 GMT
Our defence isn't great but do you seriously think replacing Smith with Edwards will improve it? Make your mind up, you said our defence "actually knows how to defend" two posts ago Compared with how the defence has performed earlier this season the one we're fielding know is at least competent. However that doesn't mean it's great - it's certainly not good enough for a promotion push but it might be good enough to stay up. The point is would the defence be any better if Edwards were to replace Smith. Personally I don't think it would.
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