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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 9, 2020 10:26:05 GMT
There is a lot of criticism that can be fairly directed at Scholes and Cartwright. For example, the fact that every midfielder that we've signed since N'Zonzi left has been virtually identical and our failure to sign an actual first choice left back in the last six years gives cause to reflect on our transfer dealings. However, Rowett was given a virtually infinite transfer budget to construct a team with whoever he wanted in order to walk the league. He even got to sign his number one striker target for an obscene amount of money just a week after he signed for somebody else. There's no blame to level at Scholes and Cartwright here. I can see exactly what the board tried to do, but they backed the wrong horse. The job proved too big for Rowett and ate him alive. He's a good Championship manager and will do well at Millwall. Inability to control the reckless spending habits of managers is a structural issue and one of our biggest problems for the past 3 years. That lies at the feet of Scholes and Cartwright because the structure they operated within and the former still does is obsolete and risky. However, I agree Rowett is mainly at fault for that window and the lack of quality it brought in, there have to be questions as to why he was given that much money though. Almost like the board learned nothing from their “major overhaul”.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jan 9, 2020 10:38:24 GMT
There is a lot of criticism that can be fairly directed at Scholes and Cartwright. For example, the fact that every midfielder that we've signed since N'Zonzi left has been virtually identical and our failure to sign an actual first choice left back in the last six years gives cause to reflect on our transfer dealings. However, Rowett was given a virtually infinite transfer budget to construct a team with whoever he wanted in order to walk the league. He even got to sign his number one striker target for an obscene amount of money just a week after he signed for somebody else. There's no blame to level at Scholes and Cartwright here. I can see exactly what the board tried to do, but they backed the wrong horse. The job proved too big for Rowett and ate him alive. He's a good Championship manager and will do well at Millwall. Inability to control the reckless spending habits of managers is a structural issue and one of our biggest problems for the past 3 years. That lies at the feet of Scholes and Cartwright because the structure they operated within and the former still does is obsolete and risky. However, I agree Rowett is mainly at fault for that window and the lack of quality it brought in, there have to be questions as to why he was given that much money though. Almost like the board learned nothing from their “major overhaul”. I believe that a decision was made at the top that we had no intention of hanging around in the Championship, since we easily had the resources to just buy the league. The ridiculous spendathon would have no consequences if we went straight back up. You can see the process at work: Which manager finished the highest last season without getting promoted? Gary Rowett, so let's spend £6 million getting him from Derby. Who's the best striker in the league? Benik Afobe, so let's go to Wolves and say that money is no object. Who is the best playmaker in the Championship? Tom Ince, so let's go sign him for whatever. Plus we need to keep our best assets as a statement of intent, so let's hand out bumper contracts to Butland, Bauer, Allen and Shawcross. With hindsight, it all looks a bit disastrous, but I can see what they tried.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:31:21 GMT
Remember that the more we boo an opposition player the more likely they are to score and the more we boo an opposition manager the more likely they are to win.
That's how it works down Stoke.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 9, 2020 11:34:38 GMT
Inability to control the reckless spending habits of managers is a structural issue and one of our biggest problems for the past 3 years. That lies at the feet of Scholes and Cartwright because the structure they operated within and the former still does is obsolete and risky. However, I agree Rowett is mainly at fault for that window and the lack of quality it brought in, there have to be questions as to why he was given that much money though. Almost like the board learned nothing from their “major overhaul”. I believe that a decision was made at the top that we had no intention of hanging around in the Championship, since we easily had the resources to just buy the league. The ridiculous spendathon would have no consequences if we went straight back up. You can see the process at work: Which manager finished the highest last season without getting promoted? Gary Rowett, so let's spend £6 million getting him from Derby. Who's the best striker in the league? Benik Afobe, so let's go to Wolves and say that money is no object. Who is the best playmaker in the Championship? Tom Ince, so let's go sign him for whatever. Plus we need to keep our best assets as a statement of intent, so let's hand out bumper contracts to Butland, Bauer, Allen and Shawcross. With hindsight, it all looks a bit disastrous, but I can see what they tried. The entire approach just smacks of an arrogant and aloof leadership team with no real idea of how to innovate. Many said at the time the contract renegotiations were a stupid, unnecessary risk. That entire process lacks any real football know-how and it's obvious that it pretty much was their approach. Clubs saw us coming from a mile away with our war chest and took the piss, that again falls on those negotiating the deals. But we spent wildly and are still paying the penalty.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 11:48:33 GMT
He’s acknowledged he was wrong what he said and has spoken in glowing terms of the club and it’s supporters since he left Me....I think he’d of done an excellent job if he’d stayed but his position became untenable once he’d taken on the support No applause but no abuse either Hes one of the main reasons we are in the mess we are in. Excellent job my arse.
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Post by lordb on Jan 9, 2020 12:36:21 GMT
Remember that the more we boo an opposition player the more likely they are to score and the more we boo an opposition manager the more likely they are to win. That's how it works down Stoke. hmmm sometimes that happens, othertimes the exact opposite happens e.g Kris Commons return with Forest was the epitome of a player shitting himself resulting in a complete non performance on the day the, deserved, prolonged stick Danny Rose got was so effective he was subbed very early & wasn't selected the following season lots of other examples too.
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Post by boothenesque on Jan 9, 2020 12:39:38 GMT
I think he learned a painful lesson at Stoke and the legacy left to him was not easy, coupled with his own arrogance at the time. After a bit of a misguided dig at the supporters (who to be fair can be a moaning bunch who weren't happy when in the PL top 10) the best thing would be to give him a respectful welcome, make a wall of noise and smack their arses 4-0. That way he will know what an opportunity he fucked up and now stuck in an arsehole of a club like Millwall.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 9, 2020 13:08:58 GMT
I think he learned a painful lesson at Stoke and the legacy left to him was not easy, coupled with his own arrogance at the time. After a bit of a misguided dig at the supporters (who to be fair can be a moaning bunch who weren't happy when in the PL top 10) the best thing would be to give him a respectful welcome, make a wall of noise and smack their arses 4-0. That way he will know what an opportunity he fucked up and now stuck in an arsehole of a club like Millwall. He deserves no kind of welcome either way, he's a nothing. The fans had every right to be 'a moaning bunch' with the contemptuously bad shite he was serving up with the most expensive squad in the league.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 9, 2020 13:11:44 GMT
I think he learned a painful lesson at Stoke and the legacy left to him was not easy, coupled with his own arrogance at the time. After a bit of a misguided dig at the supporters (who to be fair can be a moaning bunch who weren't happy when in the PL top 10) the best thing would be to give him a respectful welcome, make a wall of noise and smack their arses 4-0. That way he will know what an opportunity he fucked up and now stuck in an arsehole of a club like Millwall. He deserves no kind of welcome either way, he's a nothing. The fans had every right to be 'a moaning bunch' with the contemptuously bad shite he was serving up with the most expensive squad in the league. Telling Radio Stoke that Clucas and Allen were "very attacking" midfielders 30 minutes after watching us muster 3 shots on target at Bolton who hadn't kept a clean sheet at home for 3 months was the moment I switched off.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 9, 2020 13:13:05 GMT
Remember that the more we boo an opposition player the more likely they are to score and the more we boo an opposition manager the more likely they are to win. That's how it works down Stoke. hmmm sometimes that happens, othertimes the exact opposite happens e.g Kris Commons return with Forest was the epitome of a player shitting himself resulting in a complete non performance on the day the, deserved, prolonged stick Danny Rose got was so effective he was subbed very early & wasn't selected the following season lots of other examples too. Add Demba Ba who ripped us apart after all the abuse we threw at him even though he did nowt wrong
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 9, 2020 13:14:08 GMT
Remember that the more we boo an opposition player the more likely they are to score and the more we boo an opposition manager the more likely they are to win. That's how it works down Stoke. hmmm sometimes that happens, othertimes the exact opposite happens e.g Kris Commons return with Forest was the epitome of a player shitting himself resulting in a complete non performance on the day the, deserved, prolonged stick Danny Rose got was so effective he was subbed very early & wasn't selected the following season lots of other examples too. He got booed and taken off early, but he did score the winner in that game.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 9, 2020 13:14:47 GMT
I think he learned a painful lesson at Stoke and the legacy left to him was not easy, coupled with his own arrogance at the time. After a bit of a misguided dig at the supporters (who to be fair can be a moaning bunch who weren't happy when in the PL top 10) the best thing would be to give him a respectful welcome, make a wall of noise and smack their arses 4-0. That way he will know what an opportunity he fucked up and now stuck in an arsehole of a club like Millwall. He deserves no kind of welcome either way, he's a nothing. The fans had every right to be 'a moaning bunch' with the contemptuously bad shite he was serving up with the most expensive squad in the league. It a measure of how bad Jones was that people forget how bad Rowett was. Just like how bad Rowett was, they forgot how bad Lambert was and how bad Lambert was they forgot how bad Hughes had become. It's some sort of weird 'only at Stoke' trick of the light.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 9, 2020 13:22:42 GMT
He deserves no kind of welcome either way, he's a nothing. The fans had every right to be 'a moaning bunch' with the contemptuously bad shite he was serving up with the most expensive squad in the league. Telling Radio Stoke that Clucas and Allen were "very attacking" midfielders 30 minutes after watching us muster 3 shots on target at Bolton who hadn't kept a clean sheet at home for 3 months was the moment I switched off. Yeah, he claimed a couple of times that he'd started with five attackers and listed Allen and Clucas among them. Insulting.
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Post by mrred on Jan 9, 2020 15:24:07 GMT
Complete indifference. Which is how his shite football left me.
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Post by mcw on Jan 9, 2020 16:03:29 GMT
I think he learned a painful lesson at Stoke and the legacy left to him was not easy, coupled with his own arrogance at the time. After a bit of a misguided dig at the supporters (who to be fair can be a moaning bunch who weren't happy when in the PL top 10) the best thing would be to give him a respectful welcome, make a wall of noise and smack their arses 4-0. That way he will know what an opportunity he fucked up and now stuck in an arsehole of a club like Millwall. He deserves no kind of welcome either way, he's a nothing. The fans had every right to be 'a moaning bunch' with the contemptuously bad shite he was serving up with the most expensive squad in the league. Exactly, it was embarrassing stuff- remember us getting stuffed by Wigan 0-3 I think and it was like watching us play Tottenham when we seemed to lose 0-4 at home each time we played them. He managed to make Wigan look like bloody Barcelona. People who look back and say his record wasn't that bad should remember just how awful we were to watch when he was slowly accumulating points with performances that were less interesting than watching paint dry.
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 9, 2020 18:28:55 GMT
My reaction will be total apathy, I'll not bat an eye lid.
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Post by tomcmod on Jan 10, 2020 0:47:46 GMT
Telling Radio Stoke that Clucas and Allen were "very attacking" midfielders 30 minutes after watching us muster 3 shots on target at Bolton who hadn't kept a clean sheet at home for 3 months was the moment I switched off. Yeah, he claimed a couple of times that he'd started with five attackers and listed Allen and Clucas among them. Insulting. Ah yes that Clucas who is joint top scorer isn't an attacking midfielder at all....
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 10, 2020 2:01:43 GMT
I didn't want him here in the first place. He had nothing on his CV to warrant gambling 50m on him.
He's a total arsehole too and my least favourite Stoke manager since I've been a supporter (closely followed by Jones, Kamara and Quitteral)
I'll be giving the fucker dogs abuse.
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Post by upthefud on Jan 10, 2020 5:26:30 GMT
O'Neil aside he was the least disastrous manager in the last 6 years
Polite clap
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2020 7:15:58 GMT
You can picture the scene now. Rowett walks out to a chorus of Gary Rowett your football is shit.....10 minutes later we're 2 nil down and spend the rest of the game huffing and puffing.
There's a time and a place
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Post by lordb on Jan 10, 2020 7:23:32 GMT
hmmm sometimes that happens, othertimes the exact opposite happens e.g Kris Commons return with Forest was the epitome of a player shitting himself resulting in a complete non performance on the day the, deserved, prolonged stick Danny Rose got was so effective he was subbed very early & wasn't selected the following season lots of other examples too. Add Demba Ba who ripped us apart after all the abuse we threw at him even though he did nowt wrong Yes it can work both ways
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Post by lordb on Jan 10, 2020 7:24:03 GMT
hmmm sometimes that happens, othertimes the exact opposite happens e.g Kris Commons return with Forest was the epitome of a player shitting himself resulting in a complete non performance on the day the, deserved, prolonged stick Danny Rose got was so effective he was subbed very early & wasn't selected the following season lots of other examples too. He got booed and taken off early, but he did score the winner in that game. He never
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Post by lordb on Jan 10, 2020 7:25:53 GMT
I didn't want him here in the first place. He had nothing on his CV to warrant gambling 50m on him. He's a total arsehole too and my least favourite Stoke manager since I've been a supporter (closely followed by Jones, Kamara and Quitteral) I'll be giving the fucker dogs abuse. Kamara was obviously a disaster but I can't help but like him. He's welcome back anytime just not as a manager
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jan 10, 2020 7:27:15 GMT
Yeah, he claimed a couple of times that he'd started with five attackers and listed Allen and Clucas among them. Insulting. Ah yes that Clucas who is joint top scorer isn't an attacking midfielder at all.... He wasn’t in Rowett’s set up. That’s the entire point.
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Post by Gods on Jan 10, 2020 7:51:11 GMT
There were a couple of half hearted renditions of 'Gary Rowett your football is shit' at the New Den but they soon petered out owing to us getting played off the park.
Proved to be Nathan's final match at the helm, if I can call it that!
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Post by hotterpotter on Jan 10, 2020 7:57:12 GMT
jones was a worse manager than rowett but rowett was a dick To what tune though? Edit: I know I'm going to regret this, but... ring-a-ring-a-roses? Jones was a worse manager than Rowett But Rowett was a di-ick A-signing A-signing We might go down
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 10, 2020 10:01:08 GMT
He got booed and taken off early, but he did score the winner in that game. He never Who Rose? He did :https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27084831
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 10, 2020 11:39:20 GMT
Very insignificant in the overall scheme of our demise these past years.
Not worth bothering about, we just need the 3 points thanks Gary.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 10, 2020 11:41:32 GMT
Very insignificant in the overall scheme of our demise these past years. Not worth bothering about, we just need the 3 points thanks Gary. Insignificant? He spent the GDP of a small country on a squad that he didn't have the capability of operate. Handcuffing us massively financially in our remaining 2 parachute years. That's a massive issue.
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Post by kidcrewbob on Jan 10, 2020 11:42:52 GMT
you were better than Jones you were better than Jones With fucking hindsight You were better than Jones
That's not saying much That's not saying much don't get too cocky tho That's not saying much
You were a bit of a knob You were a bit of a knob You spunked all our money You're a bit of a knob
D'ya want your shit players D'ya want your shit players Would they work for Millwall? D'ya want your shit players
So just wind yer neck in Just just wind yer neck in Gary Rowett Wind yer fucking neck in
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