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Post by potterburt on Jan 13, 2021 13:41:25 GMT
Campbell:- would now be plying his trade north of the border, stayed and extended his contract, when fit was easily lasting the full 90mins, and was beginning to fulfill his pedigree as a potent striker, now I think this is down to O’Neill and his staff. Collins & Souttar have played the majority of the season since O,Neill introduced them into the first team when it would have been a safer option to use experience instead of youth. Yes and that's great but it still took a while when it was obvious he was one of the better options. Collins has been played out of position and Souttar started on the bench despite being easily the best CB in pre season and clearly should have been starting. But we got there in the end. And hopefully we will with Collins too. I came onto a thread to see what the deal was and what people thought of Jack Clarke potentially signing but it seems this thread has been hijacked by Bayern banging the same drum over and over and over..... We know you want Verlindans children Bayern, many managers, coaches, other teams staff over the past 5 years have suggested that he’s not all that. What is your obsession, it’s freaking weird!! If Verlinden ever plays and he looks good - great, but stop with all of your claims that he’s awesome, the manager is a coward blah blah as if you know more than anyone else - as if you’ve been his personal mentor and the rest of the world is out to get him. Please just give it a rest. So..... anyways.... Jack Clarke huh?
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Post by potterburt on Jan 13, 2021 13:41:52 GMT
I came onto a thread to see what the deal was and what people thought of Jack Clarke potentially signing but it seems this thread has been hijacked by Bayern banging the same drum over and over and over.....
We know you want Verlindans children Bayern,
many managers, coaches, other teams staff over the past 5 years have suggested that he’s not all that.
What is your obsession, it’s freaking weird!!
If Verlinden ever plays and he looks good - great, but stop with all of your claims that he’s awesome, the manager is a coward blah blah as if you know more than anyone else - as if you’ve been his personal mentor and the rest of the world is out to get him.
Please just give it a rest.
So..... anyways.... Jack Clarke huh?
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Post by potterburt on Jan 13, 2021 13:42:06 GMT
I came onto a thread to see what the deal was and what people thought of Jack Clarke potentially signing but it seems this thread has been hijacked by Bayern banging the same drum over and over and over.....
We know you want Verlindans children Bayern,
many managers, coaches, other teams staff over the past 5 years have suggested that he’s not all that.
What is your obsession, it’s freaking weird!!
If Verlinden ever plays and he looks good - great, but stop with all of your claims that he’s awesome, the manager is a coward blah blah as if you know more than anyone else - as if you’ve been his personal mentor and the rest of the world is out to get him.
Please just give it a rest.
So..... anyways.... Jack Clarke huh?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2021 13:42:25 GMT
Eh? It's true though, the bloke is a striker and he's done well on the wing but he needed to be used more up front. What’s true? That he should be moved from his best position? He's a striker!
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 13, 2021 13:43:42 GMT
What’s true? That he should be moved from his best position? He's a striker! No he’s not. He’s proven to be a very good wide attacker. Assisting and scoring. Who says he’s a striker? Does he have the strength to play well with his back to goal like Fletcher does?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2021 13:44:57 GMT
He's a striker! No he’s not. He’s proven to be a very good wide attacker. Assisting and scoring. Who says he’s a striker? Does he have the strength to play well with his back to goal like Fletcher does? Yes. But if you're playing him like then you're a crap manager!
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 13, 2021 13:46:21 GMT
No he’s not. He’s proven to be a very good wide attacker. Assisting and scoring. Who says he’s a striker? Does he have the strength to play well with his back to goal like Fletcher does? Yes. But if you're playing him like then you're a crap manager! Assisting and scoring instead of spending 90% of the time with his back to goal holding the ball up?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2021 13:47:34 GMT
Yes. But if you're playing him like then you're a crap manager! Assisting and scoring instead of spending 90% of the time with his back to goal holding the ball up? I mean if you think that's the only way strikers can play then lets just end the conversation right now
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 13, 2021 13:49:08 GMT
Assisting and scoring instead of spending 90% of the time with his back to goal holding the ball up? I mean if you think that's the only way strikers can play then lets just end the conversation right now He was playing in a perfect position for him. Facing goal with licence to cut in and gets shots and crosses away. Generally playing and being effective in areas he wouldn’t be in as a central striker. If you can’t see that then I’m at a loss.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 13, 2021 13:50:15 GMT
Come on people you should know by now Bayern uses the most extreme word possible to prove his point. Coward is unnecessary, but I understand his point.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 13, 2021 13:55:20 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 13, 2021 14:00:17 GMT
I thought you called the present manager a coward and a liar ? He's definitely a coward. But he's a good manager. Not only are you wrong, I think you have stepped beyond the bounds of decency. When did we last have a manager brave enough to introduce and use young players? Our average team age has dropped to the lowest in what seems decades. That's bravery, not cowardice. He has correctly been careful not to over expose them and burn them out. He has accumulated points despite the lack of fit strikers and experienced and fit midfielders. He has been forced to use Brown out of his usual role. Our strength is now our defence, Saturday's defeat by one of England's top clubs being the first time we have conceded 4 goals during his tenure, a regular occurance since the Pulis era. I'm sure he has his reasons for sending out Edwards and not starting Verlinden. I am delighted to see genuine wingers arriving and will be happy to see Ince and McClean leave who suck the life out of the team and contribute nothing (this season in the case of McClean). The older players he has brought in are clearly stop gap measures while he rebuilds the squad which he is hampered by the extravagant contracts most of the players he inherited are on and the pandemic starving potential buyers of cash. He is proving the be an inspired and brilliant manger, not "a good manager".
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 13, 2021 14:02:02 GMT
I came onto a thread to see what the deal was and what people thought of Jack Clarke potentially signing but it seems this thread has been hijacked by Bayern banging the same drum over and over and over..... We know you want Verlindans children Bayern, many managers, coaches, other teams staff over the past 5 years have suggested that he’s not all that. What is your obsession, it’s freaking weird!! If Verlinden ever plays and he looks good - great, but stop with all of your claims that he’s awesome, the manager is a coward blah blah as if you know more than anyone else - as if you’ve been his personal mentor and the rest of the world is out to get him. Please just give it a rest. So..... anyways.... Jack Clarke huh? We heard you first time.😎
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jan 13, 2021 14:02:09 GMT
Fletcher up top with Clarke, Powell and Matondo in support seems good to me for this season. Just get me another forward in so I don't have to see Vokes or Brown from the start.
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Post by moon on Jan 13, 2021 14:04:14 GMT
Fletcher up top with Clarke, Powell and Matondo in support seems good to me for this season. Just get me another forward in so I don't have to see Vokes or Brown from the start. Bring in another striker and it will be a superb transfer window, the only thing that could realistically make it better would be getting rid of some deadwood.
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Post by chumley on Jan 13, 2021 14:11:15 GMT
Strange situation. Spurs buy him for £10m, loan him back to Leeds as part of the deal - and Bielsa plays him for a grand total of 19 minutes. My Bro in law who's a Leeds fan said that when he returned to Leeds, his head had swollen massively and he clearly showed that he didn't wish to be there, so much that the Leeds fans gave him a lot of stick, so hopefully he has had a wake up call before he comes to us.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 13, 2021 14:18:00 GMT
Strange situation. Spurs buy him for £10m, loan him back to Leeds as part of the deal - and Bielsa plays him for a grand total of 19 minutes. My Bro in law who's a Leeds fan said that when he returned to Leeds, his head had swollen massively and he clearly showed that he didn't wish to be there, so much that the Leeds fans gave him a lot of stick, so hopefully he has had a wake up call before he comes to us. We paid £10 million for Ince and he’s toss do hopefully this lad is better
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Post by shrewspotter on Jan 13, 2021 14:21:25 GMT
do you think this means that Doughty won’t be coming or Doughty next season and Clarke this season FM??
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 13, 2021 14:25:31 GMT
do you think this means that Doughty won’t be coming or Doughty next season and Clarke this season FM?? Hopefully we're constructing a short-term plan for this season with Matondo and Clarke, in the knowledge that Doughty will be arriving over the summer? It'd be interesting to see what would happen if we did go up though. Presumably if we did put together a run like that, they both would be central to it and maybe be in a position to sign them both over the summer?
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Post by Pirate on Jan 13, 2021 14:27:36 GMT
do you think this means that Doughty won’t be coming or Doughty next season and Clarke this season FM?? Hopefully we're constructing a short-term plan for this season with Matondo and Clarke, in the knowledge that Doughty will be arriving over the summer? It'd be interesting to see what would happen if we did go up though. Presumably if we did put together a run like that, they both would be central to it and maybe be in a position to sign them both over the summer? I think there is definitely a deal in place to buy Matondo, but i could envisage a more of a " Jack Harrison" situation with Clarke at best & see another loan next year
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 13, 2021 14:31:02 GMT
Hopefully we're constructing a short-term plan for this season with Matondo and Clarke, in the knowledge that Doughty will be arriving over the summer? It'd be interesting to see what would happen if we did go up though. Presumably if we did put together a run like that, they both would be central to it and maybe be in a position to sign them both over the summer? I think there is definitely a deal in place to buy Matondo, but i could envisage a more of a " Jack Harrison" situation with Clarke at best & see another loan next year Yeah, maybe. But Spurs are the level of club where he's going to struggle to really establish himself. He's competing with Son, Bale, Moura, Lamela, Bergwijn etc - and they're always going to want to add still more bodies with the latest shiny thing. Unless Clarke starts playing like Pele, it's more likely he's going to get lost in the shuffle maybe?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 13, 2021 14:33:28 GMT
He's definitely a coward. But he's a good manager. Not only are you wrong, I think you have stepped beyond the bounds of decency. When did we last have a manager brave enough to introduce and use young players? Our average team age has dropped to the lowest in what seems decades. That's bravery, not cowardice. He has correctly been careful not to over expose them and burn them out. He has accumulated points despite the lack of fit strikers and experienced and fit midfielders. He has been forced to use Brown out of his usual role. Our strength is now our defence, Saturday's defeat by one of England's top clubs being the first time we have conceded 4 goals during his tenure, a regular occurance since the Pulis era. I'm sure he has his reasons for sending out Edwards and not starting Verlinden. I am delighted to see genuine wingers arriving and will be happy to see Ince and McClean leave who suck the life out of the team and contribute nothing (this season in the case of McClean). The older players he has brought in are clearly stop gap measures while he rebuilds the squad which he is hampered by the extravagant contracts most of the players he inherited are on and the pandemic starving potential buyers of cash. He is proving the be an inspired and brilliant manger, not "a good manager". It's not bravery. It's the only thing that needed to happen. He was brilliant last season, mediocre this.
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Post by retrostoke on Jan 13, 2021 14:39:43 GMT
When people ask “mates” if our signing is any good or not and then pass comment, usually negative, why not stop to factor in what our management team can do to bring the best out of them. It’s fairly disrespectful to MON to judge a player before he gets to put his arm around them or play them regularly in a position they might not have got elsewhere. Clearly MON is in the mix with all these signings. Give the man some respect for what he thinks they can bring to Stoke. It looks like we are in the middle of a revolution here. Can’t we just sit back and enjoy the ride. Trust MON for gods sake. We are lucky to have him.
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Post by Pirate on Jan 13, 2021 14:42:42 GMT
I think there is definitely a deal in place to buy Matondo, but i could envisage a more of a " Jack Harrison" situation with Clarke at best & see another loan next year Yeah, maybe. But Spurs are the level of club where he's going to struggle to really establish himself. He's competing with Son, Bale, Moura, Lamela, Bergwijn etc - and they're always going to want to add still more bodies with the latest shiny thing. Unless Clarke starts playing like Pele, it's more likely he's going to get lost in the shuffle maybe? I think he could well find opportunities very limited FM i agree, just feel like the biggest clubs are loathed to relinquish control of any player, let alone a young British one permanently when there is any chance of eking any sporting or financial value from them. The Harrison one being a good example, the Chelsea model? I do not like the situation but we seem to live in a world now where these mega clubs have almost total control of the talent pool.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 13, 2021 14:45:37 GMT
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Post by Cns on Jan 13, 2021 14:46:11 GMT
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 13, 2021 14:55:59 GMT
“Campbell should be used more up front, well if he was fit” you simply couldn’t make this shit up. 🤦🏻♂️ Eh? It's true though, the bloke is a striker and he's done well on the wing but he needed to be used more up front. One of the finest strikers in modern history was a winger, Thierry Henry ! Wenger applied that side of his game and instilled the confidence to go for goal at any range and from any angle. At first this seemed to be idiotic and the Highbury purists were constantly on his back. But look at the end result, how many times was Henry the out-ball on the flank ?
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Post by staffordstokiemad1 on Jan 13, 2021 14:56:23 GMT
We have to praise the club for going out and getting these signings done early, we have been crying out for fresh faces and they are delivering. Let’s get that Striker in now.
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Post by corkstokie on Jan 13, 2021 14:57:18 GMT
He's definitely a coward. But he's a good manager. astonishing Calling any catholic man who grew up in the 70's/80's in a predominantly protestant town in NIreland a coward is in itself utterly ludicrous, once you spend even a cursory moment examining O'Neill's character it goes beyond parody. Can't think of a more preposterous argument re Verlinden - he hasn't bene given a chance because he arses about in training, it's nothing to do with his ability (which is obvious). re his approach to this season he's - as he said he would do - addressed the issue from last season (& the previous seasons) of Stoke being easy to score against , he's done that with safety first tactics & by good coaching on the training ground (credit to his staff of course). He's brought through the other young players brilliantly apart from Edwards who, guess what (?) has been an arse re his being pissed at the training ground (unacceptable). attacking wise we have very little other than Campbell, Powell & Fletcher & FFP is what it is so he's now addressing that by signing/attempting to sign good attacking players. at no point has he been a coward if your disappointed at the lack of good attacking play well tough, he's building the side from tHe back first. He's not Pulis who always wants defensive football (that's tactical cowardice) he's more akin to Waddington who built a dour side first & then added quality attacking football later Cowards don't play Souttar & Collins or even Campbell If he was a coward he would have taken the Celtic job when it was offered to him a few years ago, that's an easy gig. Instead he waited for the right club (that's us by the way although you wouldn't know it with some of the stuff on this board) even though we looked doomed at the foot of the table, no cowardice there. would absolutely love to see anyone call O'Neill a coward to his face 100 percent
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Jan 13, 2021 14:58:47 GMT
Eh? It's true though, the bloke is a striker and he's done well on the wing but he needed to be used more up front. One of the finest strikers in modern history was a winger, Thierry Henry ! Wenger applied that side of his game and instilled the confidence to go for goal at any range and from any angle. At first this seemed to be idiotic and the Highbury purists were constantly on his back. But look at the end result, how many times was Henry the out-ball on the flank ? I was just about to post pretty much the same. Saved me the time👍🏻
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