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Post by Pugsley on Jan 23, 2020 12:39:43 GMT
We're just the unluckiest club around when it comes to ins and outs aren't we. Damn that blasted luck. Aren't you grasping it yet mate?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 23, 2020 12:46:24 GMT
Fucking hells fire I’m sure you can’t be this stupid and are just on a wind up I’m not bothering getting into it with you
This is benji remember!
King of the "I have lots of stats that i've googled and can repeat at will, but unfortunately don't understand ANY of the context behind those stats or largely how football works in general" posts.
The guy's an absolute know nothing, clueless, attention seeking bellend. Well we’ll see you’ve learned Bell end today top debating
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Post by walton corner on Jan 23, 2020 12:46:26 GMT
i don’t see benefit of letting him go now ..just keep him until end of season and Campbell can do what he wants then ....club not desperate for 350k are they
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Post by boothenesque on Jan 23, 2020 12:48:30 GMT
Look at the parasites we have out on loan at the moment that we are keeping on our books, when here is a guy that has worked hard to break into the team, playing well, allowed to get near the end of his contract to the point where he goes for what is perhaps 1 months worth of wages to the various parasites. A big club like Rangers comes along and then we expect him to takes a risk with Stoke and show some loyalty. If he does go I really hope one positive thing is that our HR team is sent packing, I can't recall anything good they have done in terms of transfer business, Arnie perhaps is one in terms of purchase and sale. They just seem to be so very bad at what they do.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 23, 2020 12:48:58 GMT
i don’t see benefit of letting him go now ..just keep him until end of season and Campbell can do what he wants then ....club not desperate for 350k are they He'd move for 400k at the expiry of his contract. He wouldn't go straight away.
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 23, 2020 12:52:26 GMT
Should be a no-brainer for Campbell really. He probably isn't good enough to be a regular premier league striker so his options are Stick with Stoke and spend his prime years knocking around mid-table championship or Play under Gerrard with regular european games and high profile derbies v Celtic and win some medals? Easy choice surely. And before someone comes on and says yeah but for every Celtic match there are away trips to Ross County.... there is every possibility of a Wycombe v Stoke fixture next year How can you say he is not good enough to play Prem League at the age of 20? What was Jamie Vardy doing at 20? .........He was trying to help keep Stocksbridge Park Steels in the 7th tier of Football, the Evo-Stik Division 1 South which he did for the next 3 years with only a trial at Crewe to show for it before non-league FC Halifax FC decided to give him a shot at the age of 23 If anyone out of the 100 regulars who bothered to turn up see him every week at Stocksbridge had said Vardy (even at the age of 23) would go on to win a Premiership title they would have written you off as crackers!
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 23, 2020 12:53:46 GMT
Well if we lose him for nothing or even less that we paid it’s more evidence ether commercially we’ve simply no idea Whatever the whys and wherefore we are unique in losing continually along our best players below market value when others of size see Southampton , Leceister as examples simply don’t .
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Post by scfc75 on Jan 23, 2020 12:56:06 GMT
Well if we lose him for nothing or even less that we paid it’s more evidence ether commercially we’ve simply no idea Whatever the whys and wherefore we are unique in losing continually along our best players below market value when others of size see Southampton , Leceister as examples simply don’t . How would you have handled this situation differently Benj?
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Post by Davef on Jan 23, 2020 13:01:43 GMT
Look at the parasites we have out on loan at the moment that we are keeping on our books, when here is a guy that has worked hard to break into the team, playing well, allowed to get near the end of his contract to the point where he goes for what is perhaps 1 months worth of wages to the various parasites. A big club like Rangers comes along and then we expect him to takes a risk with Stoke and show some loyalty. If he does go I really hope one positive thing is that our HR team is sent packing, I can't recall anything good they have done in terms of transfer business, Arnie perhaps is one in terms of purchase and sale. They just seem to be so very bad at what they do. That's makes zero sense. Why would Stoke offer long term contracts to young players like Edwards, Collins, Souttar, Verlinden and Sorenson, but allow Tyrese Campbell to run his contract down?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 23, 2020 13:03:59 GMT
Well if we lose him for nothing or even less that we paid it’s more evidence ether commercially we’ve simply no idea Whatever the whys and wherefore we are unique in losing continually along our best players below market value when others of size see Southampton , Leceister as examples simply don’t . How would you have handled this situation differently Benj? Firstly I’m not paid to £1m a year to handle it . But I’d start by looking at the examples of others who simply don’t have the same issue and their practice and procedure , those who retained developed or sold on young players at huge profit . Southampton , Leicester , Palace to a degree ,
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Post by lordb on Jan 23, 2020 13:10:54 GMT
£2m? We have paid a smidgen over £1m Just seen the fee breakdown, but in truth it's the principle that matters. If we're spending what Is still a pretty big figure on a young player and then just not ensuring they get to the first team what is the point in the first place. Our last youth player to play in 50+ league games must be who? Wilko? That's a shocking indictment. Tom Edwards ha splayed more than 50 league games your argument made sense if it was 2013 or so right now the Academy is flourishing, for the first time in decades we have several players who are either in the side should be or could be + we finally have a decent manager who is ready to use the young players (Lambert did as well to be fair to him) I'd be much happier if the club stopped paying over the odds for average players & promoted the youngsters
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 23, 2020 13:11:42 GMT
How would you have handled this situation differently Benj? Firstly I’m not paid to £1m a year to handle it . But I’d start by looking at the examples of others who simply don’t have the same issue and their practice and procedure , those who retained developed or sold on young players at huge profit . Southampton , Leicester , Palace to a degree , This lad should have been signed up long term months ago
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Post by potterspele on Jan 23, 2020 13:12:43 GMT
Look at the parasites we have out on loan at the moment that we are keeping on our books, when here is a guy that has worked hard to break into the team, playing well, allowed to get near the end of his contract to the point where he goes for what is perhaps 1 months worth of wages to the various parasites. A big club like Rangers comes along and then we expect him to takes a risk with Stoke and show some loyalty. If he does go I really hope one positive thing is that our HR team is sent packing, I can't recall anything good they have done in terms of transfer business, Arnie perhaps is one in terms of purchase and sale. They just seem to be so very bad at what they do. That's makes zero sense. Why would Stoke offer long term contracts to young players like Edwards, Collins, Souttar, Verlinden and Sorenson, but allow Tyrese Campbell to run his contract down? You're absolutely right. The evidence suggests its Campbell and his advisors that have engineered this situation by rejecting any offers presented to him. Hes played it well to be fair to him by putting himself in a very strong negotiating position all round. The alternative would be to chuck a massive wage at him to encourage him to sign which would have drawn a similar amount of criticism.
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Post by werrington on Jan 23, 2020 13:13:57 GMT
Firstly I’m not paid to £1m a year to handle it . But I’d start by looking at the examples of others who simply don’t have the same issue and their practice and procedure , those who retained developed or sold on young players at huge profit . Southampton , Leicester , Palace to a degree , This lad should have been signed up long term months ago By holding a gun to his head?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 23, 2020 13:14:29 GMT
Just seen the fee breakdown, but in truth it's the principle that matters. If we're spending what Is still a pretty big figure on a young player and then just not ensuring they get to the first team what is the point in the first place. Our last youth player to play in 50+ league games must be who? Wilko? That's a shocking indictment. Tom Edwards ha splayed more than 50 league games your argument made sense if it was 2013 or so right now the Academy is flourishing, for the first time in decades we have several players who are either in the side should be or could be + we finally have a decent manager who is ready to use the young players (Lambert did as well to be fair to him) I'd be much happier if the club stopped paying over the odds for average players & promoted the youngsters He’s played 46 and is going backwards by all accounts. Though his contract is one I’m very happy to see signed and hopefully he can back it up by sorting himself out at bit. I agree the academy is now finally producing players, my concern is getting these players into the first team as regulars and not losing them in the same fashion we are about to with Campbell. It’s one thing having prospects which we didn’t have for years, which as you say we clearly now have. It’s another getting them and keeping them in the first team. A big factor behind that, is not changing managerial philosophy and playing style on a sixpence and having an overarching aim for the club. For clarity, my point is not that we should shut down the academy, it’s quite the opposite. It’s give the players coming from the academy every chance of making it. Verlinden being allowed go out on loan for instance is another example of a confused strategy IMO. Sadly, our fans are quick to turn on the youth players.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 23, 2020 13:14:43 GMT
We're just the unluckiest club around when it comes to ins and outs aren't we. Damn that blasted luck.
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Post by lordb on Jan 23, 2020 13:17:21 GMT
Tom Edwards ha splayed more than 50 league games your argument made sense if it was 2013 or so right now the Academy is flourishing, for the first time in decades we have several players who are either in the side should be or could be + we finally have a decent manager who is ready to use the young players (Lambert did as well to be fair to him) I'd be much happier if the club stopped paying over the odds for average players & promoted the youngsters He’s played 46 and is going backwards by all accounts. Though his contract is one I’m very happy to see signed and hopefully he can back it up by sorting himself out at bit. I agree the academy is now finally producing players, my concern is getting these players into the first team as regulars and not losing them in the same fashion we are about to with Campbell. It’s one thing having prospects which we didn’t have for years, which as you say we clearly now have. It’s another getting them and keeping them in the first team. A big factor behind that, is not changing managerial philosophy and playing style on a sixpence and having an overarching aim for the club. sorry I was counting cup games Campbell would have signed his contract had Rowett (who gave him zero games) or Jones (who didn't use him this season) played him
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 23, 2020 13:19:14 GMT
He’s played 46 and is going backwards by all accounts. Though his contract is one I’m very happy to see signed and hopefully he can back it up by sorting himself out at bit. I agree the academy is now finally producing players, my concern is getting these players into the first team as regulars and not losing them in the same fashion we are about to with Campbell. It’s one thing having prospects which we didn’t have for years, which as you say we clearly now have. It’s another getting them and keeping them in the first team. A big factor behind that, is not changing managerial philosophy and playing style on a sixpence and having an overarching aim for the club. sorry I was counting cup games Campbell would have signed his contract had Rowett (who gave him zero games) or Jones (who didn't use him this season) played him Exactly, there should be a club directive in place to ensure an emphasis is placed on youth. Like there is at Norwich, like there is at Brentford. We are a club that operates completely at the whims of the manager and the club follows. It should be the other way round because if the manager leaves you have to build it all up again. There is no direction from anyone above the manager and this is the result. Players being stranded.
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Post by boothenesque on Jan 23, 2020 13:20:05 GMT
Look at the parasites we have out on loan at the moment that we are keeping on our books, when here is a guy that has worked hard to break into the team, playing well, allowed to get near the end of his contract to the point where he goes for what is perhaps 1 months worth of wages to the various parasites. A big club like Rangers comes along and then we expect him to takes a risk with Stoke and show some loyalty. If he does go I really hope one positive thing is that our HR team is sent packing, I can't recall anything good they have done in terms of transfer business, Arnie perhaps is one in terms of purchase and sale. They just seem to be so very bad at what they do. That's makes zero sense. Why would Stoke offer long term contracts to young players like Edwards, Collins, Souttar, Verlinden and Sorenson, but allow Tyrese Campbell to run his contract down? Well I was on about parasites like Wimmer & Imbula and if we have offered long-term contracts to others then why overlook Campbell? The thing is I am just a layman onlooker asking questions, not a professional paid a lot of money tasked with sorting this shit out on a day-to-day basis. Why pay lots for those parasite, then pay lots on their wages, who are not putting in a shift to try and drag our club out of the mess, while at the same not invest in someone like Campbell that we had high hopes for given the amount we aid for him? Are you saying what Scholes & co do makes sense?
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 23, 2020 13:21:00 GMT
He’s played 46 and is going backwards by all accounts. Though his contract is one I’m very happy to see signed and hopefully he can back it up by sorting himself out at bit. I agree the academy is now finally producing players, my concern is getting these players into the first team as regulars and not losing them in the same fashion we are about to with Campbell. It’s one thing having prospects which we didn’t have for years, which as you say we clearly now have. It’s another getting them and keeping them in the first team. A big factor behind that, is not changing managerial philosophy and playing style on a sixpence and having an overarching aim for the club. sorry I was counting cup games Campbell would have signed his contract had Rowett (who gave him zero games) or Jones (who didn't use him this season) played him So Micheal has been playing him in a couple of positions and he has had decent game time under him, if O'Neil gives him assurances that this will continue if he signs a new deal then why wouldn't he commit?
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Post by werrington on Jan 23, 2020 13:26:06 GMT
That's makes zero sense. Why would Stoke offer long term contracts to young players like Edwards, Collins, Souttar, Verlinden and Sorenson, but allow Tyrese Campbell to run his contract down? Well I was on about parasites like Wimmer & Imbula and if we have offered long-term contracts to others then why overlook Campbell? The thing is I am just a layman onlooker asking questions, not a professional paid a lot of money tasked with sorting this shit out on a day-to-day basis. Why pay lots for those parasite, then pay lots on their wages, who are not putting in a shift to try and drag our club out of the mess, while at the same not invest in someone like Campbell that we had high hopes for given the amount we aid for him? Are you saying what Scholes & co do makes sense? They haven’t overlooked Campbell
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Post by lordb on Jan 23, 2020 13:29:20 GMT
sorry I was counting cup games Campbell would have signed his contract had Rowett (who gave him zero games) or Jones (who didn't use him this season) played him So Micheal has been playing him in a couple of positions and he has had decent game time under him, if O'Neil gives him assurances that this will continue if he signs a new deal then why wouldn't he commit? he still might what deal are we offering? If Stoke are offering the best deal they can (unknown) & the manager is playing him (he is) then we'll see Campbell had made his mind up to leave
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 23, 2020 13:29:21 GMT
People keep saying he was fucked about, are people blind or have bad memories, he had a run in the team and did nowt he went on loan and i work with Shrewsbury fans and they said he was no loss when he came back Stoke, its amazing what a few goals does to people's memory. Do you think it's just a coincidence that a new manager has come to the club and Tyrese is finally looking much fitter and showing his potential? No i dont and thats why i say give him a new contract by all means just not a silly one that we will regret.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 23, 2020 13:31:32 GMT
You forgetting the run in the team under Nath ? when he couldn't last a full match ?. I agree he has not played has many games but why ? three managers didnt want play him for a reason so he must have been doing something wrong somewhere, but lets not forget he scored 3 goals so that's good enough for a mega pay rise and a silly contract. Give him 3 year contract with a sell on and a release clause set at a silly price like other clubs do. 3 games cannot be construed as a "run in the team" where did i say 3 games was a run in the team ? .
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Post by Squeekster on Jan 23, 2020 13:31:50 GMT
So Micheal has been playing him in a couple of positions and he has had decent game time under him, if O'Neil gives him assurances that this will continue if he signs a new deal then why wouldn't he commit? he still might what deal are we offering? If Stoke are offering the best deal they can (unknown) & the manager is playing him (he is) then we'll see Campbell had made his mind up to leave That's how I see it, a deal has been on offer for sometime yet he refuses to sign, as you say he still might and it seems tomorrow is the deadline set out by himself. Think someone is in his ear.
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 23, 2020 13:34:25 GMT
Well if we lose him for nothing or even less that we paid it’s more evidence ether commercially we’ve simply no idea Whatever the whys and wherefore we are unique in losing continually along our best players below market value when others of size see Southampton , Leceister as examples simply don’t . Tell you what then, we should kidnap Campbell, tie him up in Coates office and hold him to gunpoint till he signs a contract shall we.
And then if he doesn't, pull the trigger, because we don't want him playing for anyone else do we?
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Post by Davef on Jan 23, 2020 13:37:17 GMT
Do you think it's just a coincidence that a new manager has come to the club and Tyrese is finally looking much fitter and showing his potential? No i dont and thats why i say give him a new contract by all means just not a silly one that we will regret. What do you consider to be a silly contract that we will regret?
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 23, 2020 13:49:11 GMT
No i dont and thats why i say give him a new contract by all means just not a silly one that we will regret. What do you consider to be a silly contract that we will regret? well for one making him the highest paid at the club is crazy. i recon 3 year contract with a release clause of 20 million plus a agreement to notify if a top 6 club comes in for him, then appearance money linked to pay increases and a review after two years.
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Post by werrington on Jan 23, 2020 13:50:19 GMT
What do you consider to be a silly contract that we will regret? well for one making him the highest paid at the club is crazy. i recon 3 year contract with a release clause of 20 million plus a agreement to notify if a top 6 club comes in for him, then appearance money linked to pay increases and a review after two years. And if he refuses that?
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 23, 2020 13:53:44 GMT
well for one making him the highest paid at the club is crazy. i recon 3 year contract with a release clause of 20 million plus a agreement to notify if a top 6 club comes in for him, then appearance money linked to pay increases and a review after two years. And if he refuses that? so what do you recon, we just keep going till he signs ? that's just stupid. if he wont sign that contract then its good bye because he aint worth more and silly contracts given out have got us in the mess before. Anybody would think this guy is the new Kane.
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