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Post by mattador78 on Dec 14, 2019 18:30:52 GMT
I did a follow up post just after which criticised labour's leadership and made the point I can understand protest votes and that I myself voted green for a multitude of reasons. However shit labour are right now though there's simply no convincing me that the tories are somehow a better option. They're worse in literally every measurable way. Onwards and upwards, going to become a member again now Corbyn is off and hopefully the next leader will be someone a little more palatable to the masses, the bar is set rather low. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results Like commenting on this message board at times Or watching stoke
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Dec 14, 2019 18:54:10 GMT
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results It’s actually not Sal... You're right Bath it isn't. I've read this quote on here a few times and it's complete bollocks. I work in mental health and for a definition of 'insanity' (A word that we stopped using 50 years ago in psychiatry) see DSM-5 That gives you an accurate and factual definition
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 14, 2019 18:57:45 GMT
You're right Bath it isn't. I've read this quote on here a few times and it's complete bollocks. I work in mental health and for a definition of 'insanity' (A word that we stopped using 50 years ago in psychiatry) see DSM-5 That gives you an accurate and factual definition You’ve got an Ology Wiz, that makes you a scientist & me antisemiticXx
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 14, 2019 19:19:38 GMT
I have voted Labour in the past and used to be a Union Rep many moons ago But I will say this. During their time in office they did precisely nothing for this City and it’s problems in ten years, other than talk a good game and consistently SPIN up grand ideas resulting in an endless stream if fictional artists impressions and Sentinel headlines around investment. This city and the surrounding areas need change. No more protesting about how crap things are, real change and now the blues have the opportunity to show they understand the are and it’s needs. Regardless of the motivation for voting blue, they have to prove they understand the area which arguably Jack Brereton has done.... Well.. They've got the perfect opportunity to put their money where their mouth is. To show the people of Stoke on Trent and NuL that they have not betrayed their heritage ... With no European Union influence and Socialist check and balance it's going to be an interesting time. Good luck Stokies. Or.. you could do what mr.coke suggested yesterday and fuck off somewhere else for a better life.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 14, 2019 19:39:21 GMT
Don't 100% understand this. Are you trying to make the point that voting Blue was a vote for Democracy. I hope not but I am guessing you probably are and I really don't understand how you have arrived at voting for a man who illegally suspended parliament, who sacks anyone who disagrees with him, who is a blatant racist, is a vote for Democracy - not to mention his intellect - he thought Africa was a country While I agree one party was ever so slightly to the left, the other was probably more to the right - neither were exactly a vote for Democracy. There are other alternatives to just voting for the same owd 2 - I found it incredible that with everything going on with all things climate/planet that there was not a bigger swing to the Green party. Worse than that the party that offered nothing but a token gesture regarding our planet was elected - sadly our demising planet is not even worth a thought for the average voter at the moment. Certainly worth having a look at the Green party manifesto next time round - there are a lot of good social elements in there and a better alternative to voting against your beliefs - as for Boris being a vote for Democracy - I am lost for words And why do you assume that voters are voting “against their beliefs”? The people spoke on Brexit and now have followed up by rejecting socialism and over the top restrictions on what should be a free country. You may be correct - only time will tell as to whether it was a vote against socialism too - more likely, for me, was that it was a one-time-only swap(red to blue) to get the Brexit deal through. We shall see, I just think that people should broaden their horizon, as stated there are other options than either red or blue, particularly when the blue option is as horrendous as the red. This is a party that were pro-fossil fuels and fracking, want to bring blood sports back to the table and potentially want to sell off the NHS, amongst a million other off-shore scandals and bribes - all ran by somebody who is bordering on running a dictatorship and NOT a democracy. And I might be overstepping the mark here but let's be honest a party mainly voted in by xenophobic right-wing Britain, by the tax-dodgers, by those who think their savings and 4x4 will be taken from them if they vote for any other party than blue, by working-class people who's only concern is their tax-code and those that think we should no longer try to support the weaker in society - all done without even a sideways glance about what type of planet they may be leaving behind for their children - all a bit shallow and dare I say selling your soul for me - still, so long as we kick them, foreigners, out then Britain will be great once more
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 14, 2019 19:55:54 GMT
And why do you assume that voters are voting “against their beliefs”? The people spoke on Brexit and now have followed up by rejecting socialism and over the top restrictions on what should be a free country. You may be correct - only time will tell as to whether it was a vote against socialism too - more likely, for me, was that it was a one-time-only swap(red to blue) to get the Brexit deal through. We shall see, I just think that people should broaden their horizon, as stated there are other options than either red or blue, particularly when the blue option is as horrendous as the red. This is a party that were pro-fossil fuels and fracking, want to bring blood sports back to the table and potentially want to sell off the NHS, amongst a million other off-shore scandals and bribes - all ran by somebody who is bordering on running a dictatorship and NOT a democracy. And I might be overstepping the mark here but let's be honest a party mainly voted in by xenophobic right-wing Britain, by the tax-dodgers, by those who think their savings and 4x4 will be taken from them if they vote for any other party than blue, by working-class people who's only concern is their tax-code and those that think we should no longer try to support the weaker in society - all done without even a sideways glance about what type of planet they may be leaving behind for their children - all a bit shallow and dare I say selling your soul for me - still, so long as we kick them, foreigners, out then Britain will be great once more Good point ts. It was a Brexit vote. Corbyn didn't help though. The people nailed their colours to the mast.. Brexit above all. Two protest votes either side May's disastrous decision. And both will miss the target.
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Post by algor on Dec 14, 2019 20:58:11 GMT
And why do you assume that voters are voting “against their beliefs”? The people spoke on Brexit and now have followed up by rejecting socialism and over the top restrictions on what should be a free country. You may be correct - only time will tell as to whether it was a vote against socialism too - more likely, for me, was that it was a one-time-only swap(red to blue) to get the Brexit deal through. We shall see, I just think that people should broaden their horizon, as stated there are other options than either red or blue, particularly when the blue option is as horrendous as the red. This is a party that were pro-fossil fuels and fracking, want to bring blood sports back to the table and potentially want to sell off the NHS, amongst a million other off-shore scandals and bribes - all ran by somebody who is bordering on running a dictatorship and NOT a democracy. And I might be overstepping the mark here but let's be honest a party mainly voted in by xenophobic right-wing Britain, by the tax-dodgers, by those who think their savings and 4x4 will be taken from them if they vote for any other party than blue, by working-class people who's only concern is their tax-code and those that think we should no longer try to support the weaker in society - all done without even a sideways glance about what type of planet they may be leaving behind for their children - all a bit shallow and dare I say selling your soul for me - still, so long as we kick them, foreigners, out then Britain will be great once more Not sure why you bothered with the virtue signalling when the 1st line of your second paragraph and the last line of your post summed up everything you wanted to say i.e you don't agree with me so you are thick and racist.
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Post by blackpoolred on Dec 15, 2019 1:11:15 GMT
You may be correct - only time will tell as to whether it was a vote against socialism too - more likely, for me, was that it was a one-time-only swap(red to blue) to get the Brexit deal through. We shall see, I just think that people should broaden their horizon, as stated there are other options than either red or blue, particularly when the blue option is as horrendous as the red. This is a party that were pro-fossil fuels and fracking, want to bring blood sports back to the table and potentially want to sell off the NHS, amongst a million other off-shore scandals and bribes - all ran by somebody who is bordering on running a dictatorship and NOT a democracy. And I might be overstepping the mark here but let's be honest a party mainly voted in by xenophobic right-wing Britain, by the tax-dodgers, by those who think their savings and 4x4 will be taken from them if they vote for any other party than blue, by working-class people who's only concern is their tax-code and those that think we should no longer try to support the weaker in society - all done without even a sideways glance about what type of planet they may be leaving behind for their children - all a bit shallow and dare I say selling your soul for me - still, so long as we kick them, foreigners, out then Britain will be great once more Not sure why you bothered with the virtue signalling when the 1st line of your second paragraph and the last line of your post summed up everything you wanted to say i.e you don't agree with me so you are thick and racist. Thick and Racist are not words I used in that post, nor does the post imply that anybody is thick or racist - I was going more for Ignorant if I am honest
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Post by starkiller on Dec 15, 2019 1:37:34 GMT
Those who claim it's the voters' fault, are missing the point.
You are not 'more intelligent' than them, they haven't been 'taken in'. The ideas of folk who arrogantly claim to sit above the rest of the plebs.
This has been the attitude of the new left towards the working class for too long. Much of the mocking, hate and derision has been directed at those ordinary working class people. Constantly made fun of on cosy, BBC establishment, circle-jerk 'comedy' programmes by vrtue-signalling leftie supporters.
Then they expected the butt of these gags to vote for the leftie luvvie party.
The public have called it right and Labour have been sacked from this area. Labour are the problem. And they need to sort it out. But I'm not sure they will ever get those voters back.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 15, 2019 1:42:55 GMT
It will feel fucking brilliant. Boris has united the wealthy and the working class and its a great thing. Meanwhile Labour are rotting in the gutter having become a minority champagne socialist, anti semetic party for London's Liberal elite, students and dour anoraks with a chip on their shoulder. Hamas are gutted.
Its going to be an exciting few years ahead which will undoubtedly see more cash injected into the Midlands and the North than anything we've seen in years. Strong trade deals across Europe on our terms, complete control over our borders and waters, more funding for police and the NHS, tougher prison sentences and a stunning deal with the US. Combine this with a strong focus on fucking hs2 off, protecting green belts and leading the way on climate change, its going to be a hugely successful decade ahead. The pound will only get stronger.
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Post by 3putts on Dec 15, 2019 4:01:27 GMT
It will feel fucking brilliant. Boris has united the wealthy and the working class and its a great thing. Meanwhile Labour are rotting in the gutter having become a minority champagne socialist, anti semetic party for London's Liberal elite, students and dour anoraks with a chip on their shoulder. Hamas are gutted. Its going to be an exciting few years ahead which will undoubtedly see more cash injected into the Midlands and the North than anything we've seen in years. Strong trade deals across Europe on our terms, complete control over our borders and waters, more funding for police and the NHS, tougher prison sentences and a stunning deal with the US. Combine this with a strong focus on fucking hs2 off, protecting green belts and leading the way on climate change, its going to be a hugely successful decade ahead. The pound will only get stronger. What planet do you live on?
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 15, 2019 7:32:36 GMT
It will feel fucking brilliant. Boris has united the wealthy and the working class and its a great thing. Meanwhile Labour are rotting in the gutter having become a minority champagne socialist, anti semetic party for London's Liberal elite, students and dour anoraks with a chip on their shoulder. Hamas are gutted. Its going to be an exciting few years ahead which will undoubtedly see more cash injected into the Midlands and the North than anything we've seen in years. Strong trade deals across Europe on our terms, complete control over our borders and waters, more funding for police and the NHS, tougher prison sentences and a stunning deal with the US. Combine this with a strong focus on fucking hs2 off, protecting green belts and leading the way on climate change, its going to be a hugely successful decade ahead. The pound will only get stronger. What planet do you live on? According to sir David Attenborough a blue one 😉
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Dec 15, 2019 11:21:20 GMT
It will feel fucking brilliant. Boris has united the wealthy and the working class and its a great thing. Meanwhile Labour are rotting in the gutter having become a minority champagne socialist, anti semetic party for London's Liberal elite, students and dour anoraks with a chip on their shoulder. Hamas are gutted. Its going to be an exciting few years ahead which will undoubtedly see more cash injected into the Midlands and the North than anything we've seen in years. Strong trade deals across Europe on our terms, complete control over our borders and waters, more funding for police and the NHS, tougher prison sentences and a stunning deal with the US. Combine this with a strong focus on fucking hs2 off, protecting green belts and leading the way on climate change, its going to be a hugely successful decade ahead. The pound will only get stronger. What planet do you live on? The planet that saw the people give Boris a monumental victory over socialism 😉
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 15, 2019 21:00:46 GMT
What planet do you live on? The planet that saw the people give Boris a monumental victory over socialism 😉 Rofl. Don’t bother mate. Some people are so blinded by their own worldview they cannot tolerate anyone or anything that is even slightly different. It has been absolutely eye opening in the USA. On national television, they have changed their charges of high crimes against trump from bribery and corruption to abuse of power and obstruction of Congress! And then 10 minutes later commented that they have been working on this impeachment for 2 and a half years, even though the “crime” only took place 6 months ago! The elitists must think we are absolute fools!
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Post by bathstoke on Dec 15, 2019 21:29:16 GMT
The planet that saw the people give Boris a monumental victory over socialism 😉 Rofl. Don’t bother mate. Some people are so blinded by their own worldview they cannot tolerate anyone or anything that is even slightly different. Isn’t that a contradiction in terms...
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Post by GoBoks on Dec 16, 2019 10:13:37 GMT
Rofl. Don’t bother mate. Some people are so blinded by their own worldview they cannot tolerate anyone or anything that is even slightly different. Isn’t that a contradiction in terms... How so?
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 16, 2019 10:20:09 GMT
At the end of the day for some reason the northern towns and cities who voted for the tories think that Brexit is going to be their saviour. The point of general elections is for the poor/working class to improve their lives.Well they must think that Brexit is the answer. Im afraid the people of Stoke and the likes are in for a shock.Non of the issues with society will be solved by Brexit.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 16, 2019 12:07:36 GMT
At the end of the day for some reason the northern towns and cities who voted for the tories think that Brexit is going to be their saviour. The point of general elections is for the poor/working class to improve their lives.Well they must think that Brexit is the answer. Im afraid the people of Stoke and the likes are in for a shock.Non of the issues with society will be solved by Brexit. Wrong again. We voted Brexit to take control of our country back from a bureaucracy in Brussels. We want to trade freely with the rest of the world and not be bound by EU rules, something I'm not certain we will get with Boris. We want to take control back of our fishing waters, have controlled immigration, have our own currency, our own defence and foreign policy and not be merged into an ever closer union with the rest of the EU. I fully expect there will be a downside and the economy will be hurt by the EU preferring not to buy our products, so we will need to do what Britain has always done and turn outward to the rest of the world. Hopefully we will get an excellent trade deal with the USA our biggest export market, closely followed by Canada, the 10th biggest economy in the world. There will be a rough time for some, but let's face it, there is little industry left we can give away and our growing service sector can grow with the rest of the world before the Germans and French grab that. I worked in the steel industry for 40 years and have seen what has happened during that period while we were in the EEC/EU. Our steel industry collapsed, under Labour as much as Tory governments, while the German and French steel industries have reduced marginally. Conversely Spanish, Dutch, Swedish, Belgian, and Austrian steel industries have grown. It is perfectly understandable why traditional Labour voters in Stoke, Redcar, Scunthorpe, Durham constituencies around Consett, etc. have voted against an ambivalent position Labour adopted on Brexit. But you would not understand that in London.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2019 12:15:30 GMT
At the end of the day for some reason the northern towns and cities who voted for the tories think that Brexit is going to be their saviour. The point of general elections is for the poor/working class to improve their lives.Well they must think that Brexit is the answer. Im afraid the people of Stoke and the likes are in for a shock.Non of the issues with society will be solved by Brexit. Wrong again. We voted Brexit to take control of our country back from a bureaucracy in Brussels. We want to trade freely with the rest of the world and not be bound by EU rules, something I'm not certain we will get with Boris. We want to take control back of our fishing waters, have controlled immigration, have our own currency, our own defence and foreign policy and not be merged into an ever closer union with the rest of the EU. I fully expect there will be a downside and the economy will be hurt by the EU preferring not to buy our products, so we will need to do what Britain has always done and turn outward to the rest of the world. Hopefully we will get an excellent trade deal with the USA our biggest export market, closely followed by Canada, the 10th biggest economy in the world. There will be a rough time for some, but let's face it, there is little industry left we can give away and our growing service sector can grow with the rest of the world before the Germans and French grab that. I worked in the steel industry for 40 years and have seen what has happened during that period while we were in the EEC/EU. Our steel industry collapsed, under Labour as much as Tory governments, while the German and French steel industries have reduced marginally. Conversely Spanish, Dutch, Swedish, Belgian, and Austrian steel industries have grown. It is perfectly understandable why traditional Labour voters in Stoke, Redcar, Scunthorpe, Durham constituencies around Consett, etc. have voted against an ambivalent position Labour adopted on Brexit. But you would not understand that in London. Eggybread is working class and far from elitist. Otherwise his username would be French Toast......
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 16, 2019 12:16:30 GMT
At the end of the day for some reason the northern towns and cities who voted for the tories think that Brexit is going to be their saviour. The point of general elections is for the poor/working class to improve their lives.Well they must think that Brexit is the answer. Im afraid the people of Stoke and the likes are in for a shock.Non of the issues with society will be solved by Brexit. Wrong again. We voted Brexit to take control of our country back from a bureaucracy in Brussels. We want to trade freely with the rest of the world and not be bound by EU rules, something I'm not certain we will get with Boris. We want to take control back of our fishing waters, have controlled immigration, have our own currency, our own defence and foreign policy and not be merged into an ever closer union with the rest of the EU. I fully expect there will be a downside and the economy will be hurt by the EU preferring not to buy our products, so we will need to do what Britain has always done and turn outward to the rest of the world. Hopefully we will get an excellent trade deal with the USA our biggest export market, closely followed by Canada, the 10th biggest economy in the world. There will be a rough time for some, but let's face it, there is little industry left we can give away and our growing service sector can grow with the rest of the world before the Germans and French grab that. I worked in the steel industry for 40 years and have seen what has happened during that period while we were in the EEC/EU. Our steel industry collapsed, under Labour as much as Tory governments, while the German and French steel industries have reduced marginally. Conversely Spanish, Dutch, Swedish, Belgian, and Austrian steel industries have grown. It is perfectly understandable why traditional Labour voters in Stoke, Redcar, Scunthorpe, Durham constituencies around Consett, etc. have voted against an ambivalent position Labour adopted on Brexit. But you would not understand that in London. But you would not understand that in London.?? Errmm ok "I fully expect there will be a downside and the economy will be hurt by the EU preferring not to buy our products " So people have voted to make themselves poorer is that what you are saying for brexit?
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2019 12:34:08 GMT
It will feel fucking brilliant. Boris has united the wealthy and the working class and its a great thing. Meanwhile Labour are rotting in the gutter having become a minority champagne socialist, anti semetic party for London's Liberal elite, students and dour anoraks with a chip on their shoulder. Hamas are gutted. Its going to be an exciting few years ahead which will undoubtedly see more cash injected into the Midlands and the North than anything we've seen in years. Strong trade deals across Europe on our terms, complete control over our borders and waters, more funding for police and the NHS, tougher prison sentences and a stunning deal with the US. Combine this with a strong focus on fucking hs2 off, protecting green belts and leading the way on climate change, its going to be a hugely successful decade ahead. The pound will only get stronger. What planet do you live on? Presumably the same one as you, though we don't all happen to be wealthy like you are hard working decent people have voted for change it looks likely at the 4th time of asking they are going to get it, maybe if Corbin had really been a man of principal and not a puppet for the far left we would have had a Labour(Marxist) government ! he didn't and thank God we haven't.
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 16, 2019 13:07:53 GMT
What planet do you live on? Presumably the same one as you, though we don't all happen to be wealthy like you are hard working decent people have voted for change it looks likely at the 4th time of asking they are going to get it, maybe if Corbin had really been a man of principal and not a puppet for the far left we would have had a Labour(Marxist) government ! he didn't and thank God we haven't. Voted for change?? The UK have voted overwhelmingly for the establishment and thats not going to change one bit.They have voted for more of the same as we have had for the last ten years.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2019 13:15:34 GMT
Presumably the same one as you, though we don't all happen to be wealthy like you are hard working decent people have voted for change it looks likely at the 4th time of asking they are going to get it, maybe if Corbin had really been a man of principal and not a puppet for the far left we would have had a Labour(Marxist) government ! he didn't and thank God we haven't. Voted for change?? The UK have voted overwhelmingly for the establishment and thats not going to change one bit.They have voted for more of the same as we have had for the last ten years. We have been in the Common Market, EEC, EU for forty plus years, yep change is what was voted for now we might eventually get what we voted for 3.5 years ago.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 16, 2019 13:15:52 GMT
What planet do you live on? Presumably the same one as you, though we don't all happen to be wealthy like you are hard working decent people have voted for change it looks likely at the 4th time of asking they are going to get it, maybe if Corbin had really been a man of principal and not a puppet for the far left we would have had a Labour(Marxist) government ! he didn't and thank God we haven't. It's the opposite of change 😂
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2019 13:17:46 GMT
Presumably the same one as you, though we don't all happen to be wealthy like you are hard working decent people have voted for change it looks likely at the 4th time of asking they are going to get it, maybe if Corbin had really been a man of principal and not a puppet for the far left we would have had a Labour(Marxist) government ! he didn't and thank God we haven't. It's the opposite of change 😂 So leaving the EU isn't change, you left wingers really have not learned anything have you
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 16, 2019 13:19:06 GMT
It's the opposite of change 😂 So leaving the EU isn't change, you left wingers really have not learned anything have you What is it going to change, regarding your daily routine/life? You have voted the ruling elitist tories into power yet again
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 16, 2019 13:28:48 GMT
So leaving the EU isn't change, you left wingers really have not learned anything have you What is it going to change, regarding your daily routine/life? You have voted the ruling elitist tories into power yet again Nothing I didn't vote
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 16, 2019 13:37:58 GMT
So leaving the EU isn't change, you left wingers really have not learned anything have you What is it going to change, regarding your daily routine/life? You have voted the ruling elitist tories into power yet again Well in about a year or so I can get a passport for the first time in decades A nice blue little number with no European Union written across the front
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 16, 2019 13:39:16 GMT
What is it going to change, regarding your daily routine/life? You have voted the ruling elitist tories into power yet again Well in about a year or so I can get a passport for the first time in decades A nice blue little number with no European Union written across the front So pleased for you.Pity its made in China Actually isn't it France
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 16, 2019 13:46:50 GMT
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