sec62
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Post by sec62 on Dec 7, 2019 17:39:04 GMT
Overpaid players on 5 year contracts that no one wants.(Hughes). 30 million on players with big egos.( Rowett ) 4 million on a team that would struggle at Sunday league.( jones ). How the fuck does o'Neil deal with that with ffp and a club rotten to the core.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 7, 2019 17:40:14 GMT
No, but its pretty clear the players have.
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Post by rorystowel on Dec 7, 2019 17:43:57 GMT
We have half a team of entitled, overpaid shit mercenaries who believe to a man that they should be back in the premier league, so why be arsed with this championship bollocks which is clearly beneath them. The other half are just shit.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 7, 2019 17:44:58 GMT
We have half a team of entitled, overpaid mercenaries who believe to a man that they should be back in the premier league, so why be arsed with this championship bollocks which is clearly beneath them. The other half are just shit. I'd say at least half of those Prem lot are shit too  |
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Post by rorystowel on Dec 7, 2019 17:47:22 GMT
We have half a team of entitled, overpaid mercenaries who believe to a man that they should be back in the premier league, so why be arsed with this championship bollocks which is clearly beneath them. The other half are just shit. I'd say at least half of those Prem lot are shit too You’re right, edited my OP accordingly |
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Post by retired1 on Dec 7, 2019 17:52:04 GMT
Its not done until we manage to only hit 20 points for the season.
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Post by madelinesmithmmmh on Dec 7, 2019 18:15:48 GMT
I must say the change from 2 years ago is shocking, even by the standards of SCFC. With our record of transfers I'm not looking forward to January, although on the plus side no doubt it will mean my credit card bill isn't the worst day
How Badou doesn't get a game is outside the realm of understanding. Game management is dreadful, get Ryan in on one leg if necessary, he couldn't do worse. What is Abduolaye up to these days?
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Post by wuzza on Dec 7, 2019 18:22:28 GMT
I’m starting to worry about next season.
What is there to suggest that anything will improve?
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Post by BuzzB on Dec 7, 2019 18:24:36 GMT
Route one rubbish.
The ball is like a hot potatoe, not one of them has any sort of composure, panic panic panic whenever the ball comes into our box.
Its shit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 18:24:40 GMT
I’m starting to worry about next season. What is there to suggest that anything will improve? We will run League Two very close at this rate. There is absolutely nothing in this club. Nothing. |
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Post by karl on Dec 7, 2019 18:29:08 GMT
The problem we have got is we cannot use any players from the under 23's as we have too many senior players. The younger players have that hunger and desire to do well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 18:31:49 GMT
Hands up who wishes the impatient fans hadn't hounded Gary Rowett out?
My hands are up.
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 7, 2019 18:33:01 GMT
As a stoke fan of more than half a century I would actually have more interest at present in our battle for financial recovery than what is produced by players on the pitch. The current and inherited squad players have consistently shown that they have far less talent than their former reputations might suggest, and they have little interest and enthusiasm for the job in hand. The result is a string of dire performances and illusory comebacks, but never substantial or effective. We continue to follow a downward spiral as a club and whatever happens over Christmas and January I believe that our problems are too deep seated for a recovery and we are destined to fall into League 1 come the end of the season.
However I will be fascinated by the clubs efforts to retore sanity and rationale to the Stoke City squad and finances. I can't wait to see how we attempt to unload the wasters from the payroll and trim the huge staff numbers. I sincerely hope that if we accept our fate and go further down the league ladder we have an effective moratorium on expensive new signings as we stabilise our finances. The interest will come from how we go about managing our resources and getting the best out of our playing squad.
Tony Pulis was working for Radio 5 live at the Bournemouth match today and at lunch time he gave a long and candid insight into the role of a Manager, whether Eddie Howe's job is under threat, how he himself coped with pressure etc. He said and emphasised several times that far and above tactics, motivation, fitness regimes etc, the key essential factor in running a football club at any level is the recruitment. Signing the right players to fit your system, and their character and attitude, is far far more critical than anything else. So as we now know, thats where things started to go wrong after he left and Mark Hughes and others then followed on.
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Post by crapslinger on Dec 7, 2019 18:36:46 GMT
Hands up who wishes the impatient fans hadn't hounded Gary Rowett out? My hands are up. He didn't help himself though Vince, in hindsight he was much better than nutty Nathan and MON isn't exactly inspiring confidence that he will be able to sort this mess out, in hindsight we would have been better keeping Lambert. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 18:42:47 GMT
Hands up who wishes the impatient fans hadn't hounded Gary Rowett out? My hands are up. He didn't help himself though Vince, in hindsight he was much better than nutty Nathan and MON isn't exactly inspiring confidence that he will be able to sort this mess out, in hindsight we would have been better keeping Lambert. He definitely didn't help himself, he couldnt cope with the pressure of demented expectation and in the end that did for him. One thing is for sure, we wouldn't be anywhere near the mess that we are in if he was still our manager. I'm not for one minute suggesting he was the messiah, but fuck me, the clown they replaced him with and now followed on by seemingly another clown just beggars belief. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 7, 2019 18:43:15 GMT
As a stoke fan of more than half a century I would actually have more interest at present in our battle for financial recovery than what is produced by players on the pitch. The current and inherited squad players have consistently shown that they have far less talent than their former reputations might suggest, and they have little interest and enthusiasm for the job in hand. The result is a string of dire performances and illusory comebacks, but never substantial or effective. We continue to follow a downward spiral as a club and whatever happens over Christmas and January I believe that our problems are too deep seated for a recovery and we are destined to fall into League 1 come the end of the season. However I will be fascinated by the clubs efforts to retore sanity and rationale to the Stoke City squad and finances. I can't wait to see how we attempt to unload the wasters from the payroll and trim the huge staff numbers. I sincerely hope that if we accept our fate and go further down the league ladder we have an effective moratorium on expensive new signings as we stabilise our finances. The interest will come from how we go about managing our resources and getting the best out of our playing squad. Tony Pulis was working for Radio 5 live at the Bournemouth match today and at lunch time he gave a long and candid insight into the role of a Manager, whether Eddie Howe's job is under threat, how he himself coped with pressure etc. He said and emphasised several times that far and above tactics, motivation, fitness regimes etc, the key essential factor in running a football club at any level is the recruitment. Signing the right players to fit your system, and their character and attitude, is far far more critical than anything else. So as we now know, thats where things started to go wrong after he left and Mark Hughes and others then followed on. What a load of twaddle regarding Pulis. I am a big fan of him but he lost it and his recruitment in the last 2 years. Hughes took us to a different level, building on TP's defense with attacking players and still the best I have seen us since Waddo Hughes then lost the plot After that at best it becomes murky re who the hell is buying players and who the hell thinks that long list of a bunch of very expensive wasters would be a good idea |
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Post by smallthorner on Dec 7, 2019 18:45:38 GMT
We have half a team of entitled, overpaid shit mercenaries who believe to a man that they should be back in the premier league, so why be arsed with this championship bollocks which is clearly beneath them. The other half are just shit. Think only three of that team were in the Premiership with us. Stand to be corrected though. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 7, 2019 18:45:56 GMT
After today's game I've really lost faith in this bunch of players, I really can't see us survive now. Time to get the big earners out and rebuild! Allen, Clucas, Vokes, Butland, Indi all need to be sold in January in my opinion!  |
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Post by questionable on Dec 7, 2019 18:50:42 GMT
Yes the season is done without doubt but, but, but don’t forget Rat face has sanctioned 3,4,5 year deals so 2020-2023 we’re also fukced.
There’s only one thing pretty much inevitable, Administration at this rate, there’s no way that we can carry on with Rat face pulling the strings, he’s a disaster alongside Junior
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Post by DentySCFC on Dec 7, 2019 21:40:12 GMT
As a stoke fan of more than half a century I would actually have more interest at present in our battle for financial recovery than what is produced by players on the pitch. The current and inherited squad players have consistently shown that they have far less talent than their former reputations might suggest, and they have little interest and enthusiasm for the job in hand. The result is a string of dire performances and illusory comebacks, but never substantial or effective. We continue to follow a downward spiral as a club and whatever happens over Christmas and January I believe that our problems are too deep seated for a recovery and we are destined to fall into League 1 come the end of the season. However I will be fascinated by the clubs efforts to retore sanity and rationale to the Stoke City squad and finances. I can't wait to see how we attempt to unload the wasters from the payroll and trim the huge staff numbers. I sincerely hope that if we accept our fate and go further down the league ladder we have an effective moratorium on expensive new signings as we stabilise our finances. The interest will come from how we go about managing our resources and getting the best out of our playing squad. Tony Pulis was working for Radio 5 live at the Bournemouth match today and at lunch time he gave a long and candid insight into the role of a Manager, whether Eddie Howe's job is under threat, how he himself coped with pressure etc. He said and emphasised several times that far and above tactics, motivation, fitness regimes etc, the key essential factor in running a football club at any level is the recruitment. Signing the right players to fit your system, and their character and attitude, is far far more critical than anything else. So as we now know, thats where things started to go wrong after he left and Mark Hughes and others then followed on. What a load of twaddle regarding Pulis. I am a big fan of him but he lost it and his recruitment in the last 2 years. Hughes took us to a different level, building on TP's defense with attacking players and still the best I have seen us since Waddo Hughes then lost the plot After that at best it becomes murky re who the hell is buying players and who the hell thinks that long list of a bunch of very expensive wasters would be a good idea In his last season, he signed: Steven Nzonzi Geoff Cameron Charlie Adam All mainstays for the next 4 years. |
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Post by chad on Dec 7, 2019 21:44:32 GMT
Hands up who wishes the impatient fans hadn't hounded Gary Rowett out? My hands are up. Yep. Sadly have to agree. Not sure he’d ever get us up but I think we’d have been mid table with ease |
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Post by shipshape on Dec 7, 2019 21:49:06 GMT
I'll accept it. But when are the fans who blame Hughes, Lambert, Rowett, Jones and maybe O'Neill gonna aim their ire at those who've recruited em? Coates has loads of money, that's a fact. He's a shit chairman is also one. Back to where we were twenty five years ago. The lack of blame directed towards him at Hull was astounding.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 7, 2019 22:48:50 GMT
Not just this season,we have to find a way of getting rid of most of this squad,they will take us down and if they are still here next season they could well take us to Div 2 also.
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Post by dingdongbell on Dec 8, 2019 7:16:29 GMT
Not just this season,we have to find a way of getting rid of most of this squad,they will take us down and if they are still here next season they could well take us to Div 2 also. It will be very difficult to get rid of most of these players, they are probably being paid better than most Championship players and are on lengthy contracts, I really wish the club could get rid as in my opinion the playing squad is rotten to the core and I also think that the fitness coaches need sacking , every opposing team looks fitter and sharper than we do and have done for a long time . After 50 plus seasons I feel that this is the worst squad of players we have ever had . Yes we have been lower , but there was no money about in those days, whoever ( and no one admits to it ) is responsible for recruitment has a lot to answer for . |
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 8, 2019 13:34:04 GMT
Not just this season,we have to find a way of getting rid of most of this squad,they will take us down and if they are still here next season they could well take us to Div 2 also. It will be very difficult to get rid of most of these players, they are probably being paid better than most Championship players and are on lengthy contracts, I really wish the club could get rid as in my opinion the playing squad is rotten to the core and I also think that the fitness coaches need sacking , every opposing team looks fitter and sharper than we do and have done for a long time . After 50 plus seasons I feel that this is the worst squad of players we have ever had . Yes we have been lower , but there was no money about in those days, whoever ( and no one admits to it ) is responsible for recruitment has a lot to answer for . Yesterday the Hull players looked 10 years younger than ours. They were so much fitter, hungrier and sharper. |
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 8, 2019 14:54:29 GMT
Its the next 5 seasons I am worried about. I genuinely think the very future of the club is now on the line.
No statements from the club whatsoever which given the obvious unrest is astonishingly poor PR.
The only time Scholes pops his head up is when there has been a couple of positive results. Cowardly yes men all over the show and owners who don't know what they are doing. they carry on like they have for 4 years and we are going bust big time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 15:44:34 GMT
The problem we have got is we cannot use any players from the under 23's as we have too many senior players. The younger players have that hunger and desire to do well. Younger players like Campbell ? I don't see much desire when he plays |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 16:17:57 GMT
An average of 47.2points is required to stay up. We'd better get cracking 👀
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