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Post by StaffordPotter on Dec 6, 2019 12:36:17 GMT
What a clown. Sums up the state of modern day society when folks can seem this as racist. I, for one, don’t think it does at all. He’s got it wrong and made a fool of himself - something he can do without any reference to race at all but to say this “sums up the state of modern society “ is just wrong. It’s a mistaken act by an individual and , yes there are other examples , but we have a far healthier attitude to racial issues in general today than we have in the past and seizing on incidents like this should not detract from the overall progress that has been made. Agree to disagree on this one fella. We live in a society where people can't wait to jump on and ridicule people. This is just another act that proves that.
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Post by nantwichstokie on Dec 6, 2019 12:42:16 GMT
I know I'm going to find this really difficult to explain on a messageboard but I'll give it a go and hope it comes across as I intend. My grandad came over to the UK after the war from Burma. As a skin colour, you'd describe him as being black for sure. At that time, he came to Stoke on Trent and married a local white woman, my gran. In the early years he suffered all kinds of racism, had to take 3 menial jobs to provide for his family when back home he'd been a medic in the army. He was very intelligent man and he battled through the adversity and went on, prior to retirement, to be the Chief Education Officer for Staffordshire. His kids, though not black in the way my Grandad was, are certainly not white which means my dad is certainly not white. We were bought up to be aware of the various things associated with racism and I believe that as a family we are welcoming to all races, creeds, religions and colours. I am. My cousin, who is also one of my best mates, certainly is. Our children are. When I was around 11 years old, I got into a fight with one of my older cousins. It was quite a bad fight and we kicked 7 bells of shit out of each other. We obviously got into trouble. I took the punishment on the chin and apologised even though I hadn't started the fight. My cousin didn't and said I'd called him the "N" word. I came worse off in the fight and he was trying to get himself out of trouble. I most certainly hadn't. My dad took his side and we had an almighty row. He simply wouldn't believe that I would never, ever utter such a word and our relationship, being brutally honest on an open forum, has never been the same since to the extent that I had very little to do with him between the ages of 11 and 15 and haven't seen him at all for the best part of 4 years. The fact that we are what we are as a family means that I could never really forgive him for not believing me over something so serious and it has impacted on my own life ever since. When I looked at that image, all jokes aside (about being offended by them picking two crap players) I can honestly say that I didn't see a person of colour. I saw a Stoke City player celebrating a rare win in a Stoke City coat that was included in the club shop sale. No more, no less. My youngest boy has just come back from Lithuania having been away with Man City and he spent most of his time off the pitch with his 2 mates in the team, both of whom are black boys. He doesn't see colour of skin. He sees his teammates and his friends. When I meet people through my extensive work travels, I don't see blacks or whites, European or Chinese. I see people and I treat those people exactly the same whether it happens to be the cleaner in the factory or the MD of the business. If you look at that advert for Black Friday from Stoke and many other clubs (I've highlighted similar campaigns from Everton, Middlesborough, Crewe Alex and others) and see racism I actually think it says more about the person seeing it than it does the people that created the ad in the first place. Stoke are guilty of not seeing creed or colour in promoting their commercial activities and Kevin Campbell is nothing short of an absolute disgrace. He saw a snapshot of something, reacted badly, continued to dig a bigger hole for himself and his ego is too big to allow him to apologise. If the whole world didn't see colour of skin when looking at a person, as Stoke have done, as I do, as my kids do, as Bayern seemingly does, the world would be a far better place for it. Spot on, an excellent post. Articulated my thoughts far better than I could have done Exactly this. Great post!
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 6, 2019 13:32:22 GMT
Soooooo if they'd done the advert with no black players on it there would have been uproar for lack of diversity. They put a black player in and that's racist. Can't win either way ever because the one thing that will never change is that there is always someone willing to find offence even if its on behalf of someone else who actually doesn't see the offence. It will always be this way so I say just crack on and ignore it.
Kevin obviously has that victim mentality combined with over protective father syndrome. It's really not a very good mix and will likely ruin any SLIM chance his son has of actually making it as a decent pro. Its not looking good for him currently seeing as he has failed in one of his most basic requirements in terms of being able to last a 90 minute game of football.
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Post by leicspotter on Dec 6, 2019 13:34:13 GMT
Why is it stupid? It’s how life should be, it’s not a consideration, a thought etc. To see racism in that advert or to even think the team selection is racist is well to me, a bit racist. I don’t get it. I know I'm going to find this really difficult to explain on a messageboard but I'll give it a go and hope it comes across as I intend. My grandad came over to the UK after the war from Burma. As a skin colour, you'd describe him as being black for sure. At that time, he came to Stoke on Trent and married a local white woman, my gran. In the early years he suffered all kinds of racism, had to take 3 menial jobs to provide for his family when back home he'd been a medic in the army. He was very intelligent man and he battled through the adversity and went on, prior to retirement, to be the Chief Education Officer for Staffordshire. His kids, though not black in the way my Grandad was, are certainly not white which means my dad is certainly not white. We were bought up to be aware of the various things associated with racism and I believe that as a family we are welcoming to all races, creeds, religions and colours. I am. My cousin, who is also one of my best mates, certainly is. Our children are. When I was around 11 years old, I got into a fight with one of my older cousins. It was quite a bad fight and we kicked 7 bells of shit out of each other. We obviously got into trouble. I took the punishment on the chin and apologised even though I hadn't started the fight. My cousin didn't and said I'd called him the "N" word. I came worse off in the fight and he was trying to get himself out of trouble. I most certainly hadn't. My dad took his side and we had an almighty row. He simply wouldn't believe that I would never, ever utter such a word and our relationship, being brutally honest on an open forum, has never been the same since to the extent that I had very little to do with him between the ages of 11 and 15 and haven't seen him at all for the best part of 4 years. The fact that we are what we are as a family means that I could never really forgive him for not believing me over something so serious and it has impacted on my own life ever since. When I looked at that image, all jokes aside (about being offended by them picking two crap players) I can honestly say that I didn't see a person of colour. I saw a Stoke City player celebrating a rare win in a Stoke City coat that was included in the club shop sale. No more, no less. My youngest boy has just come back from Lithuania having been away with Man City and he spent most of his time off the pitch with his 2 mates in the team, both of whom are black boys. He doesn't see colour of skin. He sees his teammates and his friends. When I meet people through my extensive work travels, I don't see blacks or whites, European or Chinese. I see people and I treat those people exactly the same whether it happens to be the cleaner in the factory or the MD of the business. If you look at that advert for Black Friday from Stoke and many other clubs (I've highlighted similar campaigns from Everton, Middlesborough, Crewe Alex and others) and see racism I actually think it says more about the person seeing it than it does the people that created the ad in the first place. Stoke are guilty of not seeing creed or colour in promoting their commercial activities and Kevin Campbell is nothing short of an absolute disgrace. He saw a snapshot of something, reacted badly, continued to dig a bigger hole for himself and his ego is too big to allow him to apologise. If the whole world didn't see colour of skin when looking at a person, as Stoke have done, as I do, as my kids do, as Bayern seemingly does, the world would be a far better place for it. Exceptionally well put. I hope you and your Dad can be reconciled one day
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 6, 2019 13:38:18 GMT
At an away game once, Kev jumped in our black cab when we opened the door for him, to let him in out of the rain. He didn’t contribute a penny to the fare. Says all you need to know about him. His presence was payment enough. He used to play for Arsenal, don't you know.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Dec 6, 2019 13:38:35 GMT
I, for one, don’t think it does at all. He’s got it wrong and made a fool of himself - something he can do without any reference to race at all but to say this “sums up the state of modern society “ is just wrong. It’s a mistaken act by an individual and , yes there are other examples , but we have a far healthier attitude to racial issues in general today than we have in the past and seizing on incidents like this should not detract from the overall progress that has been made. Agree to disagree on this one fella. We live in a society where people can't wait to jump on and ridicule people. This is just another act that proves that. Selected high-profile examples of people getting it wrong doesn’t discredit the the generality of the thousands of examples in day to day life where race relations in this country have improved. It isn’t perfect for sure but I prefer to focus on the positives.
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Post by Gods on Dec 6, 2019 13:40:46 GMT
I think we do a nice job with these promos for the most part, feature a good range of young players and bigger names and occasionally mix in the men's and womens teams.
I have to take Campbell Senior at his word and assume he had never hitherto heard of black Friday and took it to be something invented by the Stoke City commercial department whereby we try to flog some kit by parading a black fella and a Siekh in tandem with a couple of token white guys under the umbrella 'Black Friday' and hope folks part with their cash.
Extraordinary stuff but there it is.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 6, 2019 14:22:03 GMT
And now they're taking the piss by using a pic of Allen too!! Where will it end??
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Post by Davef on Dec 6, 2019 15:28:45 GMT
I think we do a nice job with these promos for the most part, feature a good range of young players and bigger names and occasionally mix in the men's and womens teams. I have to take Campbell Senior at his word and assume he had never hitherto heard of black Friday and took it to be something invented by the Stoke City commercial department whereby we try to flog some kit by parading a black fella and a Siekh in tandem with a couple of token white guys under the umbrella 'Black Friday' and hope folks part with their cash. Extraordinary stuff but there it is. He must live in the world's biggest bubble he's never heard of Black Friday. Then again, this is a bloke who wishes everybody a great "Dicky Bow Thursday" every week.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Dec 6, 2019 15:48:08 GMT
I think we do a nice job with these promos for the most part, feature a good range of young players and bigger names and occasionally mix in the men's and womens teams. I have to take Campbell Senior at his word and assume he had never hitherto heard of black Friday and took it to be something invented by the Stoke City commercial department whereby we try to flog some kit by parading a black fella and a Siekh in tandem with a couple of token white guys under the umbrella 'Black Friday' and hope folks part with their cash. Extraordinary stuff but there it is. He must live in the world's biggest bubble he's never heard of Black Friday. Then again, this is a bloke who wishes everybody a great "Dicky Bow Thursday" every week. Good job it's not a "Black Tie Thursday" every week.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Dec 6, 2019 16:09:05 GMT
What an absolute twat he looks here.
Like said by someone else, if that’s racist then it says a lot more than the person who deems it racist rather than the creator.
This is absolutely shocking from Campbell.
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Post by davelistersdad on Dec 6, 2019 16:20:38 GMT
The fact that the cunt hasn't deleted the tweet says everything we need to know about him.
Grade A prick.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Dec 6, 2019 16:35:59 GMT
The fact that the cunt hasn't deleted the tweet says everything we need to know about him. Grade A prick.
I'm quite glad that he hasn't deleted it...if you read the comments, about 99% of them are telling him what a prize bellend he's been (and it isn't just Stoke fans telling him that).
Making a public spectacle of himself this way, is far better than him just deleting it and then no-one being aware of what an utter prick he really is.
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Post by bolders on Dec 6, 2019 16:57:09 GMT
The fact that the cunt hasn't deleted the tweet says everything we need to know about him. Grade A prick. I'm quite glad that he hasn't deleted it...if you read the comments, about 99% of them are telling him what a prize bellend he's been (and it isn't just Stoke fans telling him that).
Making a public spectacle of himself this way, is far better than him just deleting it and then no-one being aware of what an utter prick he really is.
the 1% being ARSEnal fans?
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Dec 6, 2019 17:01:34 GMT
I wonder how kevin would react if Tyrese signed for Blackburn or Blackpool.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 6, 2019 17:02:18 GMT
I'm quite glad that he hasn't deleted it...if you read the comments, about 99% of them are telling him what a prize bellend he's been (and it isn't just Stoke fans telling him that).
Making a public spectacle of himself this way, is far better than him just deleting it and then no-one being aware of what an utter prick he really is.
the 1% being ARSEnal fans?
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Post by lordherefordsknob on Dec 6, 2019 18:00:39 GMT
I'm quite glad that he hasn't deleted it...if you read the comments, about 99% of them are telling him what a prize bellend he's been (and it isn't just Stoke fans telling him that).
Making a public spectacle of himself this way, is far better than him just deleting it and then no-one being aware of what an utter prick he really is.
the 1% being ARSEnal fans? To be fair theres also loads of Arsenal fans on Twitter saying Campbell is a dick.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Dec 6, 2019 18:08:03 GMT
the 1% being ARSEnal fans? To be fair theres also loads of Arsenal fans on Twitter saying Campbell is a dick. Pot kettle and black. And no that isn't meant to be racist before I get accused
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Post by thevoid on Dec 6, 2019 18:26:52 GMT
I used to think Kev was okay but this is a definite black mark against him.
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Post by madnellie on Dec 6, 2019 18:31:41 GMT
And now they're taking the piss by using a pic of Allen too!! Where will it end?? As a gay woman I'm offended by this, even though it has absolutely nothing to do with gays whatsoever.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Dec 6, 2019 18:41:08 GMT
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Post by somersetstokie on Dec 6, 2019 18:46:56 GMT
As a regular contributor to the Oatcake fanzine I feel that I should complain very strongly. . . and as often as possible.
yours sincerely. . . .
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Post by Stoke711 on Dec 6, 2019 18:51:34 GMT
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Post by chumley on Dec 6, 2019 19:07:17 GMT
His days of watching his son play football are probably as i can imagine some stick going his way. Question is a) why did Tyrese agree to the it and if it's old pic then why hasn't he raised an issue and had it removed. B) Is Tyrese going to kick off and ask for a move now , if so then maybe its all part of a masterplan. Dad needs to realise Tyrese may need top striker Genes to be world class and he wasn;t given them so he needs to develop like every other player. KC is complete tool, that's not a question just an opinion. If Tyrese isn't apart or aware he was going to say it then i bet he Loves his dad ATM.
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Post by sensiblestokie on Dec 6, 2019 19:11:06 GMT
I wonder how kevin would react if Tyrese signed for Blackburn or Blackpool. I wouldn’t say that would be unlikely. Certainly not seen anything to suggest that Tyrese can make it here to be honest. Don’t get the early hype around him. Looks below average to me.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 6, 2019 19:17:42 GMT
I wonder how kevin would react if Tyrese signed for Blackburn or Blackpool. Do those clubs have a black black Friday sale then?
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Post by nigerianstokie on Dec 6, 2019 23:22:01 GMT
I wonder how kevin would react if Tyrese signed for Blackburn or Blackpool. He’d hate Blackburn.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 6, 2019 23:32:36 GMT
Kevin is an has been, Tyreene is a never will be at any high level. Time will be the judge.
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Post by Billy the kid on Dec 6, 2019 23:37:08 GMT
Kevin is an has been, Tyreene is a never will be at any high level. Time will be the judge. Stacking shells in Tesco 2023 nailed on telling anyone that listens how he could have been a footballer
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 0:52:29 GMT
Soooooo if they'd done the advert with no black players on it there would have been uproar for lack of diversity. They put a black player in and that's racist. Can't win either way ever because the one thing that will never change is that there is always someone willing to find offence even if its on behalf of someone else who actually doesn't see the offence. It will always be this way so I say just crack on and ignore it. Kevin obviously has that victim mentality combined with over protective father syndrome. It's really not a very good mix and will likely ruin any SLIM chance his son has of actually making it as a decent pro. Its not looking good for him currently seeing as he has failed in one of his most basic requirements in terms of being able to last a 90 minute game of football. It's off topic but I don't see Ty as a basic failure. It's not his fault that our previous manager, not a man whose judgment was otherwise heralded, took him off as a tactical measure on habit. Lots of class players are habitually pulled off whenever a game winds down, to give just one example: Eden Hazard very rarely makes it to 90 minutes (no other comparison). Ty is a kid in a poor team, with barely a good pro to rely on. He sometimes plays poorly, sometimes not, that's what happens with young players. When we played Leeds in the Caraboa he was outstanding, didn't score but had a hand in both goals. When he went off, we started falling apart as Leeds defenders were now free to push forward. Ahead by two when Ty left, it ended two all at the end. He has every chance of making it in the game, although his prospects will look better when he leaves our shitshow at the end of the season on a bosman...
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