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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 27, 2021 7:02:03 GMT
If it was all about the protests then why hasn't David Dorn's name been given huge amounts of air time? Because the protests (and riots by this point) weren’t about David Dorn? Because sadly people get shot practically every minute of every day defending property in America? Because his death hasn’t come to represent a trend that a huge mass of people were campaigning to stop? This rationale may be morally wrong in your view but I think it’s probably why all of the media - social and conventional - was prioritising the George Floyd “news item”. So David Dorn didn't fit the narrative they wanted to push. Glad to see you agree.
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 27, 2021 7:29:29 GMT
I was probably too black and white about the conventional media. Sure they play their part 👍 IMO social media is far more influential than the “MSM” in things like social movements, unrest, protests and so on these days though. I think media is the common denominator. Sadly I have no idea how it is ever going to get sorted out. I think more people on both the perceived left and right need to be a bit more honest with themselves and accept they are not always correct no matter how loud they shout. Excellent post. Until that happens things will never improve for the better. It’s obvious from my posts that my views are judged as being far right by some (which i’m not) but if you can get rid of the likes of Lammy, Abbot and Robinson the country would be in with a far better chance of progress. Extremist views are the biggest issue.
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Post by vokeswagen on May 27, 2021 7:37:12 GMT
Because the protests (and riots by this point) weren’t about David Dorn? Because sadly people get shot practically every minute of every day defending property in America? Because his death hasn’t come to represent a trend that a huge mass of people were campaigning to stop? This rationale may be morally wrong in your view but I think it’s probably why all of the media - social and conventional - was prioritising the George Floyd “news item”. So David Dorn didn't fit the narrative they wanted to push. Glad to see you agree. That’s a somewhat loaded statement The concept of choosing which news stories to tell people, in which order, goes back to the Stone Age because people can only hear/read one news story at a time. I believe that by and large news organisations serve the news they think their audience want to hear. They’re not a pressure group, they’re a business sector. It’s not in their interests to serve people news they don’t want. So they try to guess what their audience will be most interested in. Of course there will be biases at play but generally speaking, when you get a global event like a natural disaster, a plane crash, a war, or civil unrest spreading across the globe (eg George Floyd, XE) then that comes top of the bill. That’s just how it is and always has been. I suppose my point is that I believe news organisations are largely guided by giving people what they think those people want. Whereas I get the impression you believe they’re guided by feeding people a particular preconceived “agenda” or “narrative”. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that
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Post by salopstick on May 27, 2021 8:38:00 GMT
Have you ever heard Diane Abbot speak out about black on black crime and violence and appeal to them to try and live right so she can tackle the issues that would make a difference? Or is it always lazy, woe is me, moaning about white on black racism?
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Post by followyoudown on May 27, 2021 9:11:27 GMT
Have you ever heard Diane Abbot speak out about black on black crime and violence and appeal to them to try and live right so she can tackle the issues that would make a difference? Or is it always lazy, woe is me, moaning about white on black racism? Diane Abbot gets horrendous racist abuse which she shouls not have to put with, she also talks alot of bollocks like below which she absolutely should be criticised for.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 9:16:54 GMT
Have you ever heard Diane Abbot speak out about black on black crime and violence and appeal to them to try and live right so she can tackle the issues that would make a difference? Or is it always lazy, woe is me, moaning about white on black racism? Diane Abbot gets horrendous racist abuse which she shouls not have to put with, she also talks alot of bollocks like below which she absolutely should be criticised for. Dos she or does she just get abuse and turns it into a colour thing? Seems any time she gets abuse for her latest nonsense she turns it into a racist issue to me. Not onto politics in any way but she's the best thing that ever happened to the Conservative party
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 27, 2021 9:19:39 GMT
Have you ever heard Diane Abbot speak out about black on black crime and violence and appeal to them to try and live right so she can tackle the issues that would make a difference? Or is it always lazy, woe is me, moaning about white on black racism? Diane Abbot gets horrendous racist abuse which she shouls not have to put with, she also talks alot of bollocks like below which she absolutely should be criticised for. I don’t know why this thick racist still gets the opportunity to talk such rubbish.
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Post by followyoudown on May 27, 2021 9:21:27 GMT
Diane Abbot gets horrendous racist abuse which she shouls not have to put with, she also talks alot of bollocks like below which she absolutely should be criticised for. Dos she or does she just get abuse and turns it into a colour thing? Seems any time she gets abuse for her latest nonsense she turns it into a racist issue to me. Not onto politics in any way but she's the best thing that ever happened to the Conservative party She gets vile racist abuse all the time on social media thats without question.
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Post by followyoudown on May 27, 2021 9:24:14 GMT
Diane Abbot gets horrendous racist abuse which she shouls not have to put with, she also talks alot of bollocks like below which she absolutely should be criticised for. I don’t know why this thick racist still gets the opportunity to talk such rubbish. I don't think she is racist she just talks bollocks like here and doesnt seem to be just able to say yeah I was wrong, same with her prior IRA support just explained away with I had a different hairstyle then guff.
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 27, 2021 9:34:13 GMT
I don’t know why this thick racist still gets the opportunity to talk such rubbish. I don't think she is racist she just talks bollocks like here and doesnt seem to be just able to say yeah I was wrong, same with her prior IRA support just explained away with I had a different hairstyle then guff. “White people love to play divide and rule” as well as the assumption, despite the amount of black on black crime over the country, that because a black person was shot at it must have been a white person responsible (even though she hasn’t said that exactly it’s obvious what she was getting at) suggests she is racist. Would a white politician get away with such a statement about black people? We know the answer. She’s a thick racist.
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Post by vokeswagen on May 27, 2021 9:37:04 GMT
Have you ever heard Diane Abbot speak out about black on black crime and violence and appeal to them to try and live right so she can tackle the issues that would make a difference? Or is it always lazy, woe is me, moaning about white on black racism? Diane Abbot gets horrendous racist abuse which she shouls not have to put with, she also talks alot of bollocks like below which she absolutely should be criticised for. Agree with this in principle yes but again mate, your choice of social media feeds undermines the credibility your point. Make no mistake that Diane Abbot talks a lot of bollocks and wasn’t ever a good choice for (Shadow) Home Secretary. But you’re posting a heavily edited version of the interview - that’s been heavily edited by a Twitter warrior who openly admits to being a member of the Conservative Party. Whatever the truth about Diane Abbott - and surprisingly my interpretation of this largely coincides with yours above - you will NOT find it from Twitter accounts like this. Just post the full interview ffs.
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Post by vokeswagen on May 27, 2021 9:40:09 GMT
I don't think she is racist she just talks bollocks like here and doesnt seem to be just able to say yeah I was wrong, same with her prior IRA support just explained away with I had a different hairstyle then guff. “White people love to play divide and rule” as well as the assumption, despite the amount of black on black crime over the country, that because a black person was shot at it must have been a white person responsible (even though she hasn’t said that exactly it’s obvious what she was getting at) suggests she is racist. Would a white politician get away with such a statement about black people? We know the answer. She’s a thick racist. ”Even though she hasn’t said that...” - classic Oatcake
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Post by followyoudown on May 27, 2021 10:12:23 GMT
I don't think she is racist she just talks bollocks like here and doesnt seem to be just able to say yeah I was wrong, same with her prior IRA support just explained away with I had a different hairstyle then guff. “White people love to play divide and rule” as well as the assumption, despite the amount of black on black crime over the country, that because a black person was shot at it must have been a white person responsible (even though she hasn’t said that exactly it’s obvious what she was getting at) suggests she is racist. Would a white politician get away with such a statement about black people? We know the answer. She’s a thick racist. I can't believe I am dragged into defending Diane Abbot but no she is not racist, she may have said some things that leave herself open to this accusation but in reality she is a bit dim and seems to have an overexggerated sense of her own importance not much different from 600 odd other people she works with.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 27, 2021 10:17:21 GMT
So David Dorn didn't fit the narrative they wanted to push. Glad to see you agree. That’s a somewhat loaded statement The concept of choosing which news stories to tell people, in which order, goes back to the Stone Age because people can only hear/read one news story at a time. I believe that by and large news organisations serve the news they think their audience want to hear. They’re not a pressure group, they’re a business sector. It’s not in their interests to serve people news they don’t want. So they try to guess what their audience will be most interested in. Of course there will be biases at play but generally speaking, when you get a global event like a natural disaster, a plane crash, a war, or civil unrest spreading across the globe (eg George Floyd, XE) then that comes top of the bill. That’s just how it is and always has been. I suppose my point is that I believe news organisations are largely guided by giving people what they think those people want. Whereas I get the impression you believe they’re guided by feeding people a particular preconceived “agenda” or “narrative”. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that So why are the "left" of politics convinced Murdoch brainwashed the "unwashed" of the UK into voting for Brexit and committing many other ills yet don't possibly believe that their left orientated media are doing similar things to them. CNN, The Guardian and all the dozens of others are up to the exact same thing. And remember Murdoch isn't exclusively right wing, he's just a devious trouble making twat. He got Blair to number 10 after all. Although I expect you'll tell me Blair was never really a proper labour leader. We all need to be more honest with ourselves.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 27, 2021 10:27:26 GMT
Dos she or does she just get abuse and turns it into a colour thing? Seems any time she gets abuse for her latest nonsense she turns it into a racist issue to me. Not onto politics in any way but she's the best thing that ever happened to the Conservative party She gets vile racist abuse all the time on social media thats without question. And it's got a whole load worse since this huge push of BLM down everyone's throat. Same with all the footballers. It's called the race baiting BIG money game. Slowly the race baiters were being put out of work because racism over the last 40 years in the UK was dying a slow death (too slow? maybe but it was dying most definitely) so they ramp it all up to justify their existence. All that has happened now is the real racists have turned up the volume. Music to the race baiters ears, here comes the money. We are being played for fools. All of us.
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 27, 2021 10:56:48 GMT
“White people love to play divide and rule” as well as the assumption, despite the amount of black on black crime over the country, that because a black person was shot at it must have been a white person responsible (even though she hasn’t said that exactly it’s obvious what she was getting at) suggests she is racist. Would a white politician get away with such a statement about black people? We know the answer. She’s a thick racist. I can't believe I am dragged into defending Diane Abbot but no she is not racist, she may have said some things that leave herself open to this accusation but in reality she is a bit dim and seems to have an overexggerated sense of her own importance not much different from 600 odd other people she works with. We’ll just have to disagree on the racism point but at least we can agree that she’s not the brightest of people. I’ll never like her for what she and Corbyn turned the Labour Party into, a laughing stock. We need a strong opposition to keep the government on its toes but it’ll be able to plod along unchallenged for many years to come now.
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Post by dutchstokie on May 27, 2021 11:27:44 GMT
“White people love to play divide and rule” as well as the assumption, despite the amount of black on black crime over the country, that because a black person was shot at it must have been a white person responsible (even though she hasn’t said that exactly it’s obvious what she was getting at) suggests she is racist. Would a white politician get away with such a statement about black people? We know the answer. She’s a thick racist. I can't believe I am dragged into defending Diane Abbot but no she is not racist, she may have said some things that leave herself open to this accusation but in reality she is a bit dim and seems to have an overexggerated sense of her own importance not much different from 600 odd other people she works with. I indicated earlier in this thread, I had the misfortune of being in the same shop as her years ago in Hackney and the stuff that came out of her mouth would make a docker wince. I can confirm that she came out with a foul mouthed tirade of racist abuse against two old dears that would make momo blow a gasket !! Where is momo by the way Put on the naughty step?
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Post by vokeswagen on May 27, 2021 11:28:29 GMT
That’s a somewhat loaded statement The concept of choosing which news stories to tell people, in which order, goes back to the Stone Age because people can only hear/read one news story at a time. I believe that by and large news organisations serve the news they think their audience want to hear. They’re not a pressure group, they’re a business sector. It’s not in their interests to serve people news they don’t want. So they try to guess what their audience will be most interested in. Of course there will be biases at play but generally speaking, when you get a global event like a natural disaster, a plane crash, a war, or civil unrest spreading across the globe (eg George Floyd, XE) then that comes top of the bill. That’s just how it is and always has been. I suppose my point is that I believe news organisations are largely guided by giving people what they think those people want. Whereas I get the impression you believe they’re guided by feeding people a particular preconceived “agenda” or “narrative”. We’ll have to agree to disagree on that So why are the "left" of politics convinced Murdoch brainwashed the "unwashed" of the UK into voting for Brexit and committing many other ills yet don't possibly believe that their left orientated media are doing similar things to them. CNN, The Guardian and all the dozens of others are up to the exact same thing. And remember Murdoch isn't exclusively right wing, he's just a devious trouble making twat. He got Blair to number 10 after all. Although I expect you'll tell me Blair was never really a proper labour leader. We all need to be more honest with ourselves. Why are the “right” of politics convinced that the media is largely pulling together to further some kind of sinister leftist agenda - when all the data suggests that there are more right wing than left wing “MSM” outlets eg newspapers, and that a majority of the world’s population is governed by people enacting right wing policies? Because victimhood is powerful. You would probably classify me as “the left” but for what it’s worth I don’t believe people were brainwashed into Brexit by Rupert Murdoch. I believe he’s a very astute operator who simply provides the news and analysis that he thinks his audience wants - as I wrote previously. That’s why in England/Wales, The Sun campaigned for Leave, while in the much more pro-EU Scotland, the same newspaper campaigned to Remain. He gives people what he thinks they want, and he was astute enough to see the disillusionment and anger that many politicians failed to see in the Brexit heartlands. That was what largely motivated Brexit IMO
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Post by prestwichpotter on May 27, 2021 11:37:08 GMT
I can forgive Dianne Abbott for a lot of things, but when she drank an M&S Gin and Tonic on the London Underground that was me done.......
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Post by tommycarlsberg on May 27, 2021 11:42:45 GMT
I’ve defended her in the past and no matter what you think of her, she’s suffered a lifetime of vile racist abuse. We can’t even begin to imagine what that feels like. That being said, she really doesn’t help herself.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 12:20:36 GMT
I can't believe I am dragged into defending Diane Abbot but no she is not racist, she may have said some things that leave herself open to this accusation but in reality she is a bit dim and seems to have an overexggerated sense of her own importance not much different from 600 odd other people she works with. I indicated earlier in this thread, I had the misfortune of being in the same shop as her years ago in Hackney and the stuff that came out of her mouth would make a docker wince. I can confirm that she came out with a foul mouthed tirade of racist abuse against two old dears that would make momo blow a gasket !! Where is momo by the way Put on the naughty step? Free MoMo.....actually maybe not. he's probably a nice chap just gets excited re politics. i don't actually think he's an actual Sheikh though and pulled the wool over our eyes.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 27, 2021 14:40:42 GMT
I indicated earlier in this thread, I had the misfortune of being in the same shop as her years ago in Hackney and the stuff that came out of her mouth would make a docker wince. I can confirm that she came out with a foul mouthed tirade of racist abuse against two old dears that would make momo blow a gasket !! Where is momo by the way Put on the naughty step? Free MoMo.....actually maybe not. he's probably a nice chap just gets excited re politics. i don't actually think he's an actual Sheikh though and pulled the wool over our eyes. Yeah, free Momo. He has a right to be heard
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Post by iancransonsknees on May 27, 2021 15:48:28 GMT
I indicated earlier in this thread, I had the misfortune of being in the same shop as her years ago in Hackney and the stuff that came out of her mouth would make a docker wince. I can confirm that she came out with a foul mouthed tirade of racist abuse against two old dears that would make momo blow a gasket !! Where is momo by the way Put on the naughty step? Free MoMo.....actually maybe not. he's probably a nice chap just gets excited re politics. i don't actually think he's an actual Sheikh though and pulled the wool over our eyes. Racist
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 15:53:05 GMT
Free MoMo.....actually maybe not. he's probably a nice chap just gets excited re politics. i don't actually think he's an actual Sheikh though and pulled the wool over our eyes. Racist i actually blocked him as couldn't care less re the political arguing. A few on her could turn a thread about your fave choc bar into a political debate. Was only the politics to be fair. Nutty and Picnic are the best btw
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Post by cheadlepotter on May 27, 2021 15:57:45 GMT
i actually blocked him as couldn't care less re the political arguing. A few on her could turn a thread about your fave choc bar into a political debate. Was only the politics to be fair. Nutty and Picnic are the best btw God forbid anyone said they preferred white chocolate!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 16:00:03 GMT
i actually blocked him as couldn't care less re the political arguing. A few on her could turn a thread about your fave choc bar into a political debate. Was only the politics to be fair. Nutty and Picnic are the best btw God forbid anyone said they preferred white chocolate! Bet they're Labour voters who do.....feck it !!!
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Post by Kpsje on May 27, 2021 16:00:59 GMT
on a lighter note, here’s the former shadow home secretary interrupting a parliamentary zoom call.
strange hairdo? - not often you see the matador hat look in domestic homes (smiley face)
that noise, by the way, is actually what’s going on inside diane’s head most of the time.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 16:13:49 GMT
on a lighter note, here’s the former shadow home secretary interrupting a parliamentary zoom call. strange hairdo? - not often you see the matador hat look in domestic homes (smiley face) that noise, by the way, is actually what’s going on inside diane’s head most of the time. If that was her making the quacking noise iIdeclare it the smartest thing she's ever said
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Post by somersetstokie on May 27, 2021 18:42:07 GMT
I indicated earlier in this thread, I had the misfortune of being in the same shop as her years ago in Hackney and the stuff that came out of her mouth would make a docker wince. I can confirm that she came out with a foul mouthed tirade of racist abuse against two old dears that would make momo blow a gasket !! Where is momo by the way Put on the naughty step? Free MoMo.....actually maybe not. he's probably a nice chap just gets excited re politics. i don't actually think he's an actual Sheikh though and pulled the wool over our eyes. What. Like one of these "fake Sheikhs"?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 18:52:44 GMT
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