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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2021 12:27:06 GMT
I suspect most Labour voters, like myself, genuinely fail to see what Diane Abbott brings to the table anymore. Her whole schtick is attempting to represent a (previously) marginalized view in society and has been for going on 40+ years. Nowadays, in a world where is basically obsolete, she comes across increasingly deluded. Make no mistake though, Diane Abbott isn't thick by any stretch and a cynic might open up to the possibility this is a game she's playing. She is a marginal figure these days. There is nothing to suggest that this incident has anything to do with Sasha Johnson's race and even those shit pickers at the BBC didn't go near it yesterday, merely reporting that she had been shot on 5Live. For Abbott to wrongly connect this to race, without a shred of evidence, is pretty piss poor behaviour... But could be seen as a calculated risk. And the police are now reporting a group of 4 black youths shot her. This BLM stuff from the start has failed to address that for all the wrongs of the white man, black people need to be sorting their own lives out. People like Abbot can cry racism for everything but it runs deeper than race. They don’t want to confront their own problems Gangs of lads shooting people is wrong what ever their colour. Well quite- look at the scenes in cinemas when Blue Story was out a couple of years ago. I've never heard of cinemas being forced to close due to gang violence before, even when they're showing something like Football Factory, Green Street or one of Guy Ritchie's Cockney gangster specials.
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2021 12:53:07 GMT
And the police are now reporting a group of 4 black youths shot her. This BLM stuff from the start has failed to address that for all the wrongs of the white man, black people need to be sorting their own lives out. People like Abbot can cry racism for everything but it runs deeper than race. They don’t want to confront their own problems Gangs of lads shooting people is wrong what ever their colour. It’s much easier to protest against a statue who in their eyes represents past misdeeds And whinge about perceived oppression Than actually face up to the real problem that it is there very own who are oppressing and murdering them Black Lives Matter well apparently not by black youths it doesn’t not if it gets in the way of a reputation or the next drug sale It's almost as though black people being killed only seems an issue to some when whitey's to blame...
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 25, 2021 13:01:23 GMT
It’s much easier to protest against a statue who in their eyes represents past misdeeds And whinge about perceived oppression Than actually face up to the real problem that it is there very own who are oppressing and murdering them Black Lives Matter well apparently not by black youths it doesn’t not if it gets in the way of a reputation or the next drug sale It's almost as though black people being killed only seems an issue to some when whitey's to blame... Sadly this appears truer and truer as days go by. But you will be labelled racist by some, as will I for liking your post and replying to it. But whatever I am past caring. I prefer cold hard facts to feelings.
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Post by partickpotter on May 25, 2021 13:03:22 GMT
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Post by franklin on May 25, 2021 13:14:40 GMT
It's almost as though black people being killed only seems an issue to some when whitey's to blame... Sadly this appears truer and truer as days go by. But you will be labelled racist by some, as will I for liking your post and replying to it. But whatever I am past caring. I prefer cold hard facts to feelings. Its sad but true its all bizarre to me that there is literally no outrage when something like this happens.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 25, 2021 13:29:47 GMT
Sadly this appears truer and truer as days go by. But you will be labelled racist by some, as will I for liking your post and replying to it. But whatever I am past caring. I prefer cold hard facts to feelings. Its sad but true its all bizarre to me that there is literally no outrage when something like this happens. BLM the organisation and plenty of the protagonists involving themselves in it are simply taking part in a money making exercise. Grifters raising their profiles with the sole intention of profiting. The big money opportunity only arrives when white people are involved. However when the likes of David Dorn are killed at the hands of BLM and their thugs there is a palpable silence. And a large section of the media helps with the silence. Meanwhile black on black murder carries on unabated with barely a word being said about it. Their lives clearly don't matter as much as Mr Floyd. It's an uncomfortable truth backed up with facts and evidence for which I will probably be considered a racist or at the very least a racist sympathiser bizarrely. Some people don't like facts it seems. Fortunately I pay myself so at least I can cope if I am ever "cancelled."
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 25, 2021 13:30:15 GMT
someone on twitter claiming they were hired by the police as hitmen. This is the lunacy that’s been created when people don’t recognise there’s good and bad in all regardless of colour. Of course racism exists but that doesn’t mean that anyone who’s black can do no wrong. Having that attitude will stop any progression re equality. The black guy on tv this morning that saved the white guy during the protests got it bang on when he said you can’t just shut down difficult conversations they have to be had for people to learn.
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2021 14:09:10 GMT
It's almost as though black people being killed only seems an issue to some when whitey's to blame... Sadly this appears truer and truer as days go by. But you will be labelled racist by some, as will I for liking your post and replying to it. But whatever I am past caring. I prefer cold hard facts to feelings. I'd say the real racists are the ones who hold more store in a terrible crime being commited by one race than another. Murder is murder.
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2021 14:24:34 GMT
someone on twitter claiming they were hired by the police as hitmen. This is the lunacy that’s been created when people don’t recognise there’s good and bad in all regardless of colour. Of course racism exists but that doesn’t mean that anyone who’s black can do no wrong. Having that attitude will stop any progression re equality. The black guy on tv this morning that saved the white guy during the protests got it bang on when he said you can’t just shut down difficult conversations they have to be had for people to learn. Someone's clearly seen last night's Inside Number 9 😀 I didn't realise Sasha's such an important figure that the police- risking their already fragile reputation- would hire four assassins to take her out at a party! Whatever next, Owen Jones being stabbed with a poisoned umbrella outside G.A.Y.?
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2021 18:36:56 GMT
Its sad but true its all bizarre to me that there is literally no outrage when something like this happens. BLM the organisation and plenty of the protagonists involving themselves in it are simply taking part in a money making exercise. Grifters raising their profiles with the sole intention of profiting. The big money opportunity only arrives when white people are involved. However when the likes of David Dorn are killed at the hands of BLM and their thugs there is a palpable silence. And a large section of the media helps with the silence. Meanwhile black on black murder carries on unabated with barely a word being said about it. Their lives clearly don't matter as much as Mr Floyd. It's an uncomfortable truth backed up with facts and evidence for which I will probably be considered a racist or at the very least a racist sympathiser bizarrely. Some people don't like facts it seems. Fortunately I pay myself so at least I can cope if I am ever "cancelled." I had to laugh the other day. I can't remember what programme it was but there was a graffiti mural of Floyd with angel wings. Now, he didn't deserve to die in the manner he did, but he was most certainly no angel. Interestingly, you mentioned David Dorn. Now that was a tragic loss but there doesn't seem to be as much gravitas regarding his death, or as many murals to him, does there? In fact if you hadn't mentioned him, I'd have had to Google his name. 'Man who died in BLM riots' doesn't really carry the same weight as some street art does it?
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Post by cobhamstokey on May 25, 2021 19:12:19 GMT
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Post by wagsastokie on May 25, 2021 20:07:17 GMT
Norwich politically has become one of those metropolitan socialist jokes the student vote has taken over the asylum One of its two MPs is a Tory only because Norwich north takes in some of the rural villages and is very marginal
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on May 25, 2021 20:26:48 GMT
She really is useless isn't she. What a total plonker. How on earth did this country get to such a point that these mentalists nearly seized downing street in 2017? 😱
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 25, 2021 20:36:10 GMT
Interestingly, you mentioned David Dorn. Now that was a tragic loss but there doesn't seem to be as much gravitas regarding his death, or as many murals to him, does there? In fact if you hadn't mentioned him, I'd have had to Google his name. You ever heard of Tony Timpa? No, of course you haven't. Go on Youtube right now & search for "Tony Timpa Dallas Police", top link, 6m7s long worth of footage from the police bodycam. Some lives matter more than others.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 26, 2021 7:09:49 GMT
Interestingly, you mentioned David Dorn. Now that was a tragic loss but there doesn't seem to be as much gravitas regarding his death, or as many murals to him, does there? In fact if you hadn't mentioned him, I'd have had to Google his name. You ever heard of Tony Timpa? No, of course you haven't. Go on Youtube right now & search for "Tony Timpa Dallas Police", top link, 6m7s long worth of footage from the police bodycam. Some lives matter more than others. Seems pertinent to drop this in here: www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/im-not-racist-but-and-other-gammon-phrases-explained-20201009201275?format=amp
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Post by werrington on May 26, 2021 7:15:07 GMT
Interestingly, you mentioned David Dorn. Now that was a tragic loss but there doesn't seem to be as much gravitas regarding his death, or as many murals to him, does there? In fact if you hadn't mentioned him, I'd have had to Google his name. You ever heard of Tony Timpa? No, of course you haven't. Go on Youtube right now & search for "Tony Timpa Dallas Police", top link, 6m7s long worth of footage from the police bodycam. Some lives matter more than others. That gets a mention on here mate
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Post by vokeswagen on May 26, 2021 7:28:45 GMT
Interestingly, you mentioned David Dorn. Now that was a tragic loss but there doesn't seem to be as much gravitas regarding his death, or as many murals to him, does there? In fact if you hadn't mentioned him, I'd have had to Google his name. You ever heard of Tony Timpa? No, of course you haven't. Go on Youtube right now & search for "Tony Timpa Dallas Police", top link, 6m7s long worth of footage from the police bodycam. Some lives matter more than others. Your video surely demonstrates the opposite though - that all too many lives, black OR white, don’t matter to certain police officers... You should also be aware that this endless search for examples to show how white people are victims too (in the face of overwhelming statistical evidence showing black people generally fare worse) is a classic far right propaganda trope. Don’t get sucked in because you’re far better than that.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 26, 2021 7:52:16 GMT
You ever heard of Tony Timpa? No, of course you haven't. Go on Youtube right now & search for "Tony Timpa Dallas Police", top link, 6m7s long worth of footage from the police bodycam. Some lives matter more than others. Your video surely demonstrates the opposite though - that all too many lives, black OR white, don’t matter to certain police officers... You should also be aware that this endless search for examples to show how white people are victims too (in the face of overwhelming statistical evidence showing black people generally fare worse) is a classic far right propaganda trope. Don’t get sucked in because you’re far better than that. The point was that the MSM only care when it can be used to further the narrative they're pushing. George Floyd, David Dorn & Tony Timpa's deaths had plenty in common, unyet only one of those names has been given wall-to-wall coverage for months on end. Why? Because only one of those deaths can help to push the narrative.
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Post by thevoid on May 26, 2021 7:53:20 GMT
It's time for the regular Daily Mash link. Beats tweets about apron contracts I guess.
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Post by vokeswagen on May 26, 2021 8:15:16 GMT
Your video surely demonstrates the opposite though - that all too many lives, black OR white, don’t matter to certain police officers... You should also be aware that this endless search for examples to show how white people are victims too (in the face of overwhelming statistical evidence showing black people generally fare worse) is a classic far right propaganda trope. Don’t get sucked in because you’re far better than that. The point was that the MSM only care when it can be used to further the narrative they're pushing. George Floyd, David Dorn & Tony Timpa's deaths had plenty in common, unyet only one of those names has been given wall-to-wall coverage for months on end. Why? Because only one of those deaths can help to push the narrative. It was simply a bigger story at the time. Protests were massive, cities were burning (as a result of social media, not “MSM”) and it was more recent than the Timpa killing. The story of the protests became a bigger story than the story of Floyd’s killing itself. It’s not some sort of madcap conspiracy.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on May 26, 2021 8:18:00 GMT
The point was that the MSM only care when it can be used to further the narrative they're pushing. George Floyd, David Dorn & Tony Timpa's deaths had plenty in common, unyet only one of those names has been given wall-to-wall coverage for months on end. Why? Because only one of those deaths can help to push the narrative. It was simply a bigger story at the time. Protests were massive, cities were burning (as a result of social media, not “MSM”) and it was more recent than the Timpa killing. The story of the protests became a bigger story than the story of Floyd’s killing itself. It’s not some sort of madcap conspiracy. If it was all about the protests then why hasn't David Dorn's name been given huge amounts of air time?
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Post by partickpotter on May 26, 2021 8:18:55 GMT
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Post by salopstick on May 26, 2021 8:54:55 GMT
It’s coming
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 26, 2021 10:23:36 GMT
The point was that the MSM only care when it can be used to further the narrative they're pushing. George Floyd, David Dorn & Tony Timpa's deaths had plenty in common, unyet only one of those names has been given wall-to-wall coverage for months on end. Why? Because only one of those deaths can help to push the narrative. It was simply a bigger story at the time. Protests were massive, cities were burning ( as a result of social media, not “MSM”) and it was more recent than the Timpa killing. The story of the protests became a bigger story than the story of Floyd’s killing itself. It’s not some sort of madcap conspiracy. Guess you weren't following CNN, ABC, CNS, CNBC, NY Times, Washington Post etc etc etc, I could go on. The MSM to a massive degree stoked the flames on this and they have blood on their hands. To think the MSM had nothing to do with it is quite staggering actually.
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Post by vokeswagen on May 26, 2021 10:25:38 GMT
It was simply a bigger story at the time. Protests were massive, cities were burning ( as a result of social media, not “MSM”) and it was more recent than the Timpa killing. The story of the protests became a bigger story than the story of Floyd’s killing itself. It’s not some sort of madcap conspiracy. Guess you weren't following CNN, ABC, CNS, CNBC, NY Times, Washington Post etc etc etc, I could go on. The MSM to a massive degree stoked the flames on this and they have blood on their hands. To think the MSM had nothing to do with it is quite staggering actually. Social media far more so
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 26, 2021 10:37:42 GMT
Guess you weren't following CNN, ABC, CNS, CNBC, NY Times, Washington Post etc etc etc, I could go on. The MSM to a massive degree stoked the flames on this and they have blood on their hands. To think the MSM had nothing to do with it is quite staggering actually. Social media far more so Well I will join you on the many ills of social media, but we will have to disagree about MSM being just a little innocent bit part player, in not just the George Floyd tragedy but many other contemporary issues. Right and left are spoon fed gallons of tripe day in and day out. In my experience you only have a chance of making sense of it all by watching both sets of tripe and then working it out for yourself. It can be a time consuming affair!!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 26, 2021 10:57:17 GMT
Works both ways, of course... Michael Gove said: “Cummings? That one who we all defended as an honest man and good father last year? He’s full of it. Don’t believe anything he says.”
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Post by vokeswagen on May 26, 2021 12:48:43 GMT
Social media far more so Well I will join you on the many ills of social media, but we will have to disagree about MSM being just a little innocent bit part player, in not just the George Floyd tragedy but many other contemporary issues. Right and left are spoon fed gallons of tripe day in and day out. In my experience you only have a chance of making sense of it all by watching both sets of tripe and then working it out for yourself. It can be a time consuming affair!! I was probably too black and white about the conventional media. Sure they play their part 👍 IMO social media is far more influential than the “MSM” in things like social movements, unrest, protests and so on these days though.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on May 26, 2021 13:05:09 GMT
Well I will join you on the many ills of social media, but we will have to disagree about MSM being just a little innocent bit part player, in not just the George Floyd tragedy but many other contemporary issues. Right and left are spoon fed gallons of tripe day in and day out. In my experience you only have a chance of making sense of it all by watching both sets of tripe and then working it out for yourself. It can be a time consuming affair!! I was probably too black and white about the conventional media. Sure they play their part 👍 IMO social media is far more influential than the “MSM” in things like social movements, unrest, protests and so on these days though. I think media is the common denominator. Sadly I have no idea how it is ever going to get sorted out. I think more people on both the perceived left and right need to be a bit more honest with themselves and accept they are not always correct no matter how loud they shout.
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Post by vokeswagen on May 27, 2021 6:49:15 GMT
It was simply a bigger story at the time. Protests were massive, cities were burning (as a result of social media, not “MSM”) and it was more recent than the Timpa killing. The story of the protests became a bigger story than the story of Floyd’s killing itself. It’s not some sort of madcap conspiracy. If it was all about the protests then why hasn't David Dorn's name been given huge amounts of air time? Because the protests (and riots by this point) weren’t about David Dorn? Because sadly people get shot practically every minute of every day defending property in America? Because his death hasn’t come to represent a trend that a huge mass of people were campaigning to stop? This rationale may be morally wrong in your view but I think it’s probably why all of the media - social and conventional - was prioritising the George Floyd “news item”.
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