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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 30, 2019 21:10:39 GMT
We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. If you were manager, would you pick the best player if his attitude in training and around the place was “fuck you lot”, I only put in full effort on game day because I’m looking to get a move”? Again, I don’t know what is happening but clearly there is something going on that we don’t know about. At the end of the day, we either trust that MON will get these decisions right or we don’t. If he doesn’t, we are buggered I would if we were 23rd in the league and staring a trip to Gillingham in the face, yeah. So we have hired the wrong guy then?
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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 30, 2019 21:14:54 GMT
Lol, I’m just putting a discussion point forward. That’s the point. Endlessly saying it’s crazy that badou and Etebo aren’t playing without discussing potential reasons why makes little sense either. MON has his reasons. What are they? That’s more interesting. Fuck me, the amount of folks looking to get into a full blown argument over nothing on this forum gets tedious. The point is that pretty much any and all of the possible reasons are stupid given our position. Given the facts we have at our disposal, I would agree and play them both. Only MON knows why he isn’t playing them. If we are suggesting that his judgment is already this bad after 4 games it doesn’t bode well then?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 30, 2019 21:15:05 GMT
I really can’t be bothered to read all the posts in relation to the OP.
Supporters choice......How many players (and names) from the present squad have the physical and mental strength/
qualities give you the confidence that we’ll get out of our present predicament.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 21:15:25 GMT
I would if we were 23rd in the league and staring a trip to Gillingham in the face, yeah. So we have hired the wrong guy then? It’s impossible to know after four games isn’t it?
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Post by kustokie on Nov 30, 2019 21:15:56 GMT
Who's not letting O'Neill manage? We'll support the team and the manager. Doesn't mean that in a discussion forum we can't be critical of, for instance, a dubious team selection. Lol, I’m just putting a discussion point forward. That’s the point. Endlessly saying it’s crazy that badou and Etebo aren’t playing without discussing potential reasons why makes little sense either. MON has his reasons. What are they? That’s more interesting. Fuck me, the amount of folks looking to get into a full blown argument over nothing on this forum gets tedious. For some reason he prefers Allen and Woods, who probably they work their balls off in training while Etebo and N’daye go through the motions because they know they’re leaving? But you would expect MON to at least put them in the shop window and pick up points at the same time.
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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 30, 2019 21:17:50 GMT
So we have hired the wrong guy then? It’s impossible to know after four games isn’t it? Agreed, but if we are saying it’s incomprehensible to not start badou and etebo no matter what the reason given our current position then that is the inevitable conclusion.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 30, 2019 21:19:35 GMT
That’s four managers in a row that consistently pick the wrong team. There must be some players that grab the coaches’ attention between games and play shit “on the day”, and vice versa. That is what Hudson says in The Waddington Years, he admits they he was not good at training, and there were players who look great in training but nothing on match day.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 21:20:41 GMT
It’s impossible to know after four games isn’t it? Agreed, but if we are saying it’s incomprehensible to not start badou and etebo no matter what the reason given our current position then that is the inevitable conclusion. What? No it isn’t? Pulis did a million and one things I didn’t agree with and took the club to heights it hadn’t seen for decades. He made a less than auspicious start too. Twice. I’m reserving definitive judgement on MON for a while yet but there shouldn’t be a moratorium on questioning him just because he’s new. We don’t have time for a honeymoon period.
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Post by brotherleelove on Nov 30, 2019 21:21:06 GMT
Is there a manager anywhere that could get this shower of shit playing like they give a damn? March,please don't say fucking Pulis.
Boro have become a shower of shit since he left.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 21:21:57 GMT
Is there a manager anywhere that could get this shower of shit playing like they give a damn? March,please don't say fucking Pulis.
Boro have become a shower of shit since he left.
Surely not, he always leaves such strong foundations for managers to build on that he apparently deserves the credit for any success achieved after he’s left?
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Post by canadianmoose on Nov 30, 2019 21:22:59 GMT
Agreed, but if we are saying it’s incomprehensible to not start badou and etebo no matter what the reason given our current position then that is the inevitable conclusion. What? No it isn’t? Pulis did a million and one things I didn’t agree with and took the club to heights it hadn’t seen for decades. He made a less than auspicious start too. Twice. I’m reserving definitive judgement on MON for a while yet but there shouldn’t be a moratorium on questioning him just because he’s new. We don’t have time for a honeymoon period. Ok, so we are back to trusting his decision making process and accepting he has his reason for his choices. At least short term
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 30, 2019 21:24:44 GMT
It’s impossible to know after four games isn’t it? Agreed, but if we are saying it’s incomprehensible to not start badou and etebo no matter what the reason given our current position then that is the inevitable conclusion. Well. It's one of three isn't it. 1. He (michael) doesn't know what he's doing. 2. He (michael) is under instruction from above. 3. We (the messageboard) haven't got a clue about football management. It's 1 or 3 from me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 21:25:40 GMT
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Post by brotherleelove on Nov 30, 2019 21:28:38 GMT
Boro have become a shower of shit since he left.
Surely not, he always leaves such strong foundations for managers to build on that he apparently deserves the credit for any success achieved after he’s left?
I wanted TP back here simple as that, i'll give O'Neil a transfer window to see if he's any good.
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 30, 2019 21:29:21 GMT
A point of information:
Chris Wilder achieved 1 point in his first 4 matches after taking over at Sheffield United in League 1. That was after a pre-season and transfer window.
WHERE ARE SHEFFIELD UNITED NOW?
Patience is required to turn around our 3 year decline.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 21:30:09 GMT
What? No it isn’t? Pulis did a million and one things I didn’t agree with and took the club to heights it hadn’t seen for decades. He made a less than auspicious start too. Twice. I’m reserving definitive judgement on MON for a while yet but there shouldn’t be a moratorium on questioning him just because he’s new. We don’t have time for a honeymoon period. Ok, so we are back to trusting his decision making process and accepting he has his reason for his choices. At least short term No. We don’t have to deal in absolutes. I’m entirely on the fence. The good stuff will warrant praise, the bad stuff will warrant criticism. I don’t accept his reasons if they’re stupid.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 21:30:50 GMT
Surely not, he always leaves such strong foundations for managers to build on that he apparently deserves the credit for any success achieved after he’s left?
I wanted TP back here simple as that, i'll give O'Neil a transfer window to see if he's any good.
I’m delighted he didn’t come back here, simple as that.
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Post by tejstokie on Nov 30, 2019 21:30:59 GMT
When James McClean is the creative outlet in your squad on the wing and you bring on Vokes as a lone striker you got fuckin problems. Deep problems.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 21:31:26 GMT
So did he ignore that instruction on Tuesday night?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 21:31:57 GMT
Who's not letting O'Neill manage? We'll support the team and the manager. Doesn't mean that in a discussion forum we can't be critical of, for instance, a dubious team selection. Lol, I’m just putting a discussion point forward. That’s the point. Endlessly saying it’s crazy that badou and Etebo aren’t playing without discussing potential reasons why makes little sense either. MON has his reasons. What are they? That’s more interesting. Fuck me, the amount of folks looking to get into a full blown argument over nothing on this forum gets tedious. You need to pick up on your reading the oatcake. There's PLENTY of discussing potential reasons. Yet none of us know the facts, and O'Neill is not being honest in his answers, when he said that he wanted to play Badou. Clearly he doesn't.
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Post by smallthorner on Nov 30, 2019 21:32:03 GMT
A point of information: Chris Wilder achieved 1 point in his first 4 matches after taking over at Sheffield United in League 1. That was after a pre-season and transfer window. WHERE ARE SHEFFIELD UNITED NOW? Patience is required to turn around our 3 year decline. You said that about Nathan mr coke
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Post by serpico on Nov 30, 2019 21:32:15 GMT
Maybe both Etebo and badou have both made it clear they want to leave in January ? Apart from injuries That’s the only way this makes any sense, he doesn’t want anyone in the side who doesn’t want to be at the club ?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Nov 30, 2019 21:32:41 GMT
I can’t believe how toxic this board has become. Only time will tell whether MON is on the right track/will be successful. He has inherited a bloated and unbalanced squad low on confidence and a lack of quality in certain areas.
EXAMPLE. I’ll challenge anyone to name me a worse back four in the last 20 years of CVC, Bahtt, Indi and Ward. All players that he has inherited.
I really can’t be arsed to discuss all aspects of the squad. The above is an example of the reality of where we are.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Nov 30, 2019 21:33:14 GMT
When James McClean is the creative outlet in your squad on the wing and you bring on Vokes as a lone striker you got fuckin problems. Deep problems. McClean has been our best player for the past month, weird that you've even mentioned him.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Nov 30, 2019 21:33:48 GMT
Maybe both Etebo and badou have both made it clear they want to leave in January ? Apart from injuries That’s the only way this makes any sense, he doesn’t want anyone in the side who doesn’t want to be at the club ? Who cares if they have? Get them in the team, it drives their price up and it gives us a chance of pulling clear of the trapdoor. Is there a player on the books we’d turn down a reasonable offer for?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 21:34:12 GMT
The point is that pretty much any and all of the possible reasons are stupid given our position. Given the facts we have at our disposal, I would agree and play them both. Only MON knows why he isn’t playing them. If we are suggesting that his judgment is already this bad after 4 games it doesn’t bode well then? If you can only beat the 23rd and 24th but not teams above, then it doesn't bode well at all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 21:37:09 GMT
When James McClean is the creative outlet in your squad on the wing and you bring on Vokes as a lone striker you got fuckin problems. Deep problems. McClean has been our best player for the past month, weird that you've even mentioned him. Yeah he was like that when Rowett (his buyer) and Jones (his admirer) first came in, he was the best of a poor bunch for the first month. Then things settled down and he became the Real McClean...
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Post by mrcoke on Nov 30, 2019 21:38:55 GMT
A point of information: Chris Wilder achieved 1 point in his first 4 matches after taking over at Sheffield United in League 1. That was after a pre-season and transfer window. WHERE ARE SHEFFIELD UNITED NOW? Patience is required to turn around our 3 year decline. You said that about Nathan mr coke Correct. And MON may need longer than Lambert, Rowett, and Jones. And like Lèeds, Wigan, Blackburn, and Sunderland we may go down to League 1 before any manager turns things round. But whatever happens the turn round will come sooner, if fans get behind the club rather than booing them off. See you at Hull
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 21:40:20 GMT
Surely not, he always leaves such strong foundations for managers to build on that he apparently deserves the credit for any success achieved after he’s left?
I wanted TP back here simple as that, i'll give O'Neil a transfer window to see if he's any good.
Well that's unfair. He won't have any money unless Scholes can move on the players we already have. Well we know how successful he's been in past windows, don't we (although the last was better than some previous ones).
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Post by tejstokie on Nov 30, 2019 21:42:08 GMT
When James McClean is the creative outlet in your squad on the wing and you bring on Vokes as a lone striker you got fuckin problems. Deep problems. McClean has been our best player for the past month, weird that you've even mentioned him. How is it weird? He's above average in this league, that shows how rubbish the rest of the squad really is if he is our best player by a huge margin. Diouf comes back and offers more than Ince, Vokes, Powell, Greggers and Hogan instantly. McClean is the only one along with diouf willing to give all to create a chance. Hate to tell you the reality. McClean can help but if we're relying on him outlook isn't good. January is going to be make or break for the club. Another above average winger(Ince is shit) a goal scoring striker and real fullback are definitely needed.
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