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Post by lordb on Jul 15, 2020 8:51:05 GMT
I like Woods, a very good footballer. You'd like to hope that we could actually keep him and use him. He is a good footballer at this level... for a couple of games and then he goes to shit. He's done that a few times. He's another one that doesn't want to be here
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Jul 15, 2020 8:56:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 8:56:01 GMT
Some moan when we sell players cheap then we get this just F$ck him off attitude. We're not a charity for Millwall and have FFP to think of and our own funding. If Ryan Woods is performing well for them then great, hopefully a club with the actual fee needed may be alerted. Can't think of one To be fair we have no idea who may or not want him. My guess , like Neddy above is another loan or he stays. Bet scenario, Dean Smith wants him at Villa as going to have to make big cut backs
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Post by werrington on Jul 15, 2020 9:11:35 GMT
What is it with Stoke fans wanting to just give players away who have value and age on their side Fucking idiots No one wants to It's just obvious that either we give them away at cut price deals or we keep them because no one is going to pay big money (for the Championship) & their big wages See Afobe,clubs might be interested (because of his record at this level before coming to Stoke) but not at £8m and £35k a week. So after we’ve given somebody away or sold them for a ridiculously low fees then the money then comes from where for new players?
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Post by biglad180 on Jul 15, 2020 9:16:45 GMT
I don't think Millwall have ever spent £1 million on a player, never mind 3 or 4 have they so the prospect of selling him to them is very low. We can't just cut our losses as mentioned above well mate you maybe right about millwalls spending on players. but for me if they cannot come up with at least £4 million we should have him back we are not a charity shop,fuck giving our players away cheaply
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Jul 15, 2020 9:27:44 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 9:27:44 GMT
I don't think Millwall have ever spent £1 million on a player, never mind 3 or 4 have they so the prospect of selling him to them is very low. We can't just cut our losses as mentioned above well mate you maybe right about millwalls spending on players. but for me if they cannot come up with at least £4 million we should have him back we are not a charity shop,fuck giving our players away cheaply No I totally agree. We could bring in a couple of players with that money and Millwall should be made to go elsewhere unless willing to pay a very hefty loan sum and a good chunk of his salary. Why should we finance them ? Bristol City also
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 15, 2020 9:45:54 GMT
I like Woods, a very good footballer. You'd like to hope that we could actually keep him and use him. When he made that debut at West Brom I thought he was way too good for us and thoroughly expected he wouldn't be with us for too long because a bigger club would inevitably pinch him off us, he looked that good. He was Brentford's player of the season and there were other clubs trying to sign him at the time, us signing him was a bit of a coup. So what happened, where did it go wrong?
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Jul 15, 2020 10:07:13 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 15, 2020 10:07:13 GMT
I like Woods, a very good footballer. You'd like to hope that we could actually keep him and use him. When he made that debut at West Brom I thought he was way too good for us and thoroughly expected he wouldn't be with us for too long because a bigger club would inevitably pinch him off us, he looked that good. He was Brentford's player of the season and there were other clubs trying to sign him at the time, us signing him was a bit of a coup. So what happened, where did it go wrong? Where did it go wrong? I'd be inclined to ask where it went right for him to get any kind of reputation because the player we've seen is rubbish. No physicality, can't tackle, doesn't cover the ground and a ridiculously limited range of passing. Sounds like he had a good game last night so people go nuts over him. Guess what, he had a couple of good games for us as well but generally he was crap. Hell, scott hogan had a couple of good tap ins for Birmingham and he's wank as well.
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Jul 15, 2020 10:10:57 GMT
Post by spiderpuss on Jul 15, 2020 10:10:57 GMT
well mate you maybe right about millwalls spending on players. but for me if they cannot come up with at least £4 million we should have him back we are not a charity shop,fuck giving our players away cheaply No I totally agree. We could bring in a couple of players with that money and Millwall should be made to go elsewhere unless willing to pay a very hefty loan sum and a good chunk of his salary. Why should we finance them ? Bristol City also Possibly a few reasons. It's good PR to treat players well, to start demanding loony sums we were paying isn't going to work. To try and help them with their career means we are good club to come to, even if it doesn't work out. I agree we should find homes for some of our waifs or strays. Who in this league, when no crowds are coming to stadium, are going to fork out large sums for these sort of players? Ideally get them off the wage build, it frees up a space as well and tidies the squad.
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Post by Gods on Jul 15, 2020 10:17:41 GMT
He's a very neat and tidy player.
His lack of raw physicality does concern me though.
If you don't bring some brawn to the table in the Championship you'd better be bloody good or you just get blown away in the maelstrom !
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Jul 15, 2020 10:22:59 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 10:22:59 GMT
When he made that debut at West Brom I thought he was way too good for us and thoroughly expected he wouldn't be with us for too long because a bigger club would inevitably pinch him off us, he looked that good. He was Brentford's player of the season and there were other clubs trying to sign him at the time, us signing him was a bit of a coup. So what happened, where did it go wrong? Where did it go wrong? I'd be inclined to ask where it went right for him to get any kind of reputation because the player we've seen is rubbish. No physicality, can't tackle, doesn't cover the ground and a ridiculously limited range of passing. Sounds like he had a good game last night so people go nuts over him. Guess what, he had a couple of good games for us as well but generally he was crap. Hell, scott hogan had a couple of good tap ins for Birmingham and he's wank as well. Woods is incredibly neat and tidy in his own half but I don't think I've ever seen a player go to pieces so much when he crosses the half way line. Was a moment in a recent Millwall game when he actually ventured forward late on as 0-0 and his passing when to bits, he even tried a shot on goal and the commentator mentioned him not scoring in 3 years, rather sarcastically as was a pretty awful attempt .
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 15, 2020 10:23:28 GMT
When he made that debut at West Brom I thought he was way too good for us and thoroughly expected he wouldn't be with us for too long because a bigger club would inevitably pinch him off us, he looked that good. He was Brentford's player of the season and there were other clubs trying to sign him at the time, us signing him was a bit of a coup. So what happened, where did it go wrong? Where did it go wrong? I'd be inclined to ask where it went right for him to get any kind of reputation because the player we've seen is rubbish. No physicality, can't tackle, doesn't cover the ground and a ridiculously limited range of passing. Sounds like he had a good game last night so people go nuts over him. Guess what, he had a couple of good games for us as well but generally he was crap. Hell, scott hogan had a couple of good tap ins for Birmingham and he's wank as well. I think that's harsh Dave, it wasn't like that at the beginning. Although admittedly, it did seem to go wrong somewhere down the line. He wouldn't have won a poll of fans on who should be captain by a landslide, if he hadn't been impressing at the start. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-ryan-woods-captain-2044979A clear majority of Stoke City fans want Ryan Woods to captain the Potters if Ryan Shawcross is rested for tonight’s League Cup clash at Nottingham Forest. A poll of nearly 1,200 Stoke fans by StokeonTrentLive shows that summer recruit Woods is the man they want to lead the Potters if Shawcross’s absence is confirmed.
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Jul 15, 2020 10:24:55 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jul 15, 2020 10:24:55 GMT
No one wants to It's just obvious that either we give them away at cut price deals or we keep them because no one is going to pay big money (for the Championship) & their big wages See Afobe,clubs might be interested (because of his record at this level before coming to Stoke) but not at £8m and £35k a week. So after we’ve given somebody away or sold them for a ridiculously low fees then the money then comes from where for new players? Just because that's a problem doesn't mean anyone is going to pay big money and big wages for our failures.
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Jul 15, 2020 10:25:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 10:25:49 GMT
Can't wait for him to leave frankly, absolute luxury player if ever there was one, incredibly limited game he has.
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Jul 15, 2020 10:29:57 GMT
Post by Gods on Jul 15, 2020 10:29:57 GMT
Where did it go wrong? I'd be inclined to ask where it went right for him to get any kind of reputation because the player we've seen is rubbish. No physicality, can't tackle, doesn't cover the ground and a ridiculously limited range of passing. Sounds like he had a good game last night so people go nuts over him. Guess what, he had a couple of good games for us as well but generally he was crap. Hell, scott hogan had a couple of good tap ins for Birmingham and he's wank as well. I think that's harsh Dave, it wasn't like that at the beginning. Although admittedly, it did seem to go wrong somewhere down the line. He wouldn't have won a poll of fans on who should be captain by a landslide, if he hadn't been impressing at the start. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-ryan-woods-captain-2044979A clear majority of Stoke City fans want Ryan Woods to captain the Potters if Ryan Shawcross is rested for tonight’s League Cup clash at Nottingham Forest. A poll of nearly 1,200 Stoke fans by StokeonTrentLive shows that summer recruit Woods is the man they want to lead the Potters if Shawcross’s absence is confirmed. That's just the GARTNER HYPE CYCLE which you can apply to all new Stoke City signings. We were at the 'Peak of Inflated Expectations' at that point in time, about to move in to the 'Trough of disillusionment' !
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Jul 15, 2020 10:30:01 GMT
Post by spiderpuss on Jul 15, 2020 10:30:01 GMT
Where did it go wrong? I'd be inclined to ask where it went right for him to get any kind of reputation because the player we've seen is rubbish. No physicality, can't tackle, doesn't cover the ground and a ridiculously limited range of passing. Sounds like he had a good game last night so people go nuts over him. Guess what, he had a couple of good games for us as well but generally he was crap. Hell, scott hogan had a couple of good tap ins for Birmingham and he's wank as well. I think that's harsh Dave, it wasn't like that at the beginning. Although admittedly, it did seem to go wrong somewhere down the line. He wouldn't have won a poll of fans on who should be captain by a landslide, if he hadn't been impressing at the start. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-ryan-woods-captain-2044979A clear majority of Stoke City fans want Ryan Woods to captain the Potters if Ryan Shawcross is rested for tonight’s League Cup clash at Nottingham Forest. A poll of nearly 1,200 Stoke fans by StokeonTrentLive shows that summer recruit Woods is the man they want to lead the Potters if Shawcross’s absence is confirmed. Nice find and you can't imagine that many fans would want that right now. My last memories of Ryan were like a dreamy school-child, easily distracted and easily drifting out of games. It's difficult when you have the mighty Zonz to compare him with, however I'm not sure what Brentford saw in him. I've never thought wow that's a decent play-maker. He's probably found his level as a jobbing Millwall midfielder.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 15, 2020 10:59:10 GMT
He's a very 'meh' sort of player and not at all what we want or need. I doubt very much whether Millwall can afford him, but they might do some business on Jed Wallace if we play ball!!!! Do a player plus cash, just like the old days.
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Post by werrington on Jul 15, 2020 11:03:13 GMT
Footballers eh.....They fucking hate them on the oatcake
They always only ever get the “luxury type we can do without” tag on here
It’s why in general Stoke-on-Trent is held back and why the football club is regarded in similar type ...Nothing like being a gritty city with no forward thinking
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Jul 15, 2020 11:07:39 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 15, 2020 11:07:39 GMT
I don't think Millwall have ever spent £1 million on a player, never mind 3 or 4 have they so the prospect of selling him to them is very low. We can't just cut our losses as mentioned above well mate you maybe right about millwalls spending on players. but for me if they cannot come up with at least £4 million we should have him back we are not a charity shop,fuck giving our players away cheaply And then you're stuck with a player you don't want to use on decent wages that could be better spent, its not great that we look like players will have to go cheap to get rid but unfortunatly thats the position we're in thanks to Rowett going nuts with the cheque book.
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Post by telfordstokie on Jul 15, 2020 11:15:27 GMT
Shows what a nonsense the current FFP rules are when both a player and their club want them to leave but they can’t for accounting reasons.
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Jul 15, 2020 11:30:04 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 15, 2020 11:30:04 GMT
Footballers eh.....They fucking hate them on the oatcake They always only ever get the “luxury type we can do without” tag on here It’s why in general Stoke-on-Trent is held back and why the football club is regarded in similar type ...Nothing like being a gritty city with no forward thinking Go on then, Werrers, make out a case for him. He may have to come back, and with Allen out, we may have to use him, so all is not lost! With Badou and Etebo also missing in action, we're very light in midfield, so it'll need refreshing soon enough. He's not the sort of DM we need (and Cousins is nowhere near good enough for us to move forward), so we'll need a starter in that position and then Woods could play a role alongside Clucas perhaps, but he wouldn't be my first choice.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 15, 2020 11:34:00 GMT
Footballers eh.....They fucking hate them on the oatcake They always only ever get the “luxury type we can do without” tag on here It’s why in general Stoke-on-Trent is held back and why the football club is regarded in similar type ...Nothing like being a gritty city with no forward thinking Go on then, Werrers, make out a case for him. He may have to come back, and with Allen out, we may have to use him, so all is not lost! With Badou and Etebo also missing in action, we're very light in midfield, so it'll need refreshing soon enough. He's not the sort of DM we need (and Cousins is nowhere near good enough for us to move forward), so we'll need a starter in that position and then Woods could play a role alongside Clucas perhaps, but he wouldn't be my first choice. We play a 3 man midfield at the moment and Clucas and Powell are far better footballers and cause teams far more problems than this chancer ever will, and most people recognise them as two of our better players. The argument that Stoke fans don't like footballers is utter nonsense. As you say, we need a better DM, and Woods isn't it.
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Jul 15, 2020 11:34:33 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jul 15, 2020 11:34:33 GMT
Footballers eh.....They fucking hate them on the oatcake They always only ever get the “luxury type we can do without” tag on here It’s why in general Stoke-on-Trent is held back and why the football club is regarded in similar type ...Nothing like being a gritty city with no forward thinking Go on then, Werrers, make out a case for him. He may have to come back, and with Allen out, we may have to use him, so all is not lost! With Badou and Etebo also missing in action, we're very light in midfield, so it'll need refreshing soon enough. He's not the sort of DM we need (and Cousins is nowhere near good enough for us to move forward), so we'll need a starter in that position and then Woods could play a role alongside Clucas perhaps, but he wouldn't be my first choice. I wasn’t talking about Ryan woods per se mate
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Post by markby on Jul 15, 2020 11:40:11 GMT
He is a good footballer at this level... for a couple of games and then he goes to shit. He's done that a few times. "[Woods] finished the 2015–16 season [his first at Brentford] with 42 appearances and two goals.
After beginning the 2016–17 season as an ever-present in central midfield, Woods signed a new four-year contract on 31 August 2016. He made 45 appearances during the season and won the club's Players' Player of the Year award. Aside from a short period out of the team due to a personal issue, Woods continued as an ever-present during the early months of the 2017–18 season... ... Woods finished the 2017–18 season with 40 appearances, one goal and was voted the club's Supporters' Player of the Year." [/div]
During 122 Championship appearances in four seasons for a decent Brentford side, Woods was an absolute model of consistency.
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Jul 15, 2020 11:42:52 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 15, 2020 11:42:52 GMT
Where did it go wrong? I'd be inclined to ask where it went right for him to get any kind of reputation because the player we've seen is rubbish. No physicality, can't tackle, doesn't cover the ground and a ridiculously limited range of passing. Sounds like he had a good game last night so people go nuts over him. Guess what, he had a couple of good games for us as well but generally he was crap. Hell, scott hogan had a couple of good tap ins for Birmingham and he's wank as well. I think that's harsh Dave, it wasn't like that at the beginning. Although admittedly, it did seem to go wrong somewhere down the line. He wouldn't have won a poll of fans on who should be captain by a landslide, if he hadn't been impressing at the start. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-ryan-woods-captain-2044979A clear majority of Stoke City fans want Ryan Woods to captain the Potters if Ryan Shawcross is rested for tonight’s League Cup clash at Nottingham Forest. A poll of nearly 1,200 Stoke fans by StokeonTrentLive shows that summer recruit Woods is the man they want to lead the Potters if Shawcross’s absence is confirmed. I just don't get it I'm afraid. He was excellent on debut v Sheff Wed and had another decent game after that but he was quickly found wanting. I compare him to Geoff Cameron who'd always come into the side, do great for a few games, then the opposition would work him out or prepare for our team with him in it and he'd turn to shit before being dropped and going through the whole process again. He came here because it was closest to home and WBA didn't want him, a move he'd got his heart set on. Ultimately he didn't want to be here and it shows in the majority of his performances. Ultimately he's just a very limited footballer. I hope he continues to do well at Millwall and that it helps us to sell him for something resembling a decent fee. I won't be sorry to see him go. He's rubbish.
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Jul 15, 2020 11:46:21 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 15, 2020 11:46:21 GMT
Footballers eh.....They fucking hate them on the oatcake They always only ever get the “luxury type we can do without” tag on here It’s why in general Stoke-on-Trent is held back and why the football club is regarded in similar type ...Nothing like being a gritty city with no forward thinking Where Ryan Woods is concerned it's more sideways thinking than forward to be fair! You like him. I get it. I don't. He's shite. I like footballers, just not extremely limited ones and Ryan Woods is extremely limited, if I was being polite.
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Jul 15, 2020 11:49:39 GMT
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Post by werrington on Jul 15, 2020 11:49:39 GMT
Footballers eh.....They fucking hate them on the oatcake They always only ever get the “luxury type we can do without” tag on here It’s why in general Stoke-on-Trent is held back and why the football club is regarded in similar type ...Nothing like being a gritty city with no forward thinking Where Ryan Woods is concerned it's more sideways thinking than forward to be fair! You like him. I get it. I don't. He's shite. I like footballers, just not extremely limited ones and Ryan Woods is extremely limited, if I was being polite. He is in a side not adapted to the likes of him Put him in side with like minded personnel and it’s a different scenario He won every award at Brentford over the like of Sawyers etc It’s basic stuff really
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Jul 15, 2020 11:51:02 GMT
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 15, 2020 11:51:02 GMT
Where Ryan Woods is concerned it's more sideways thinking than forward to be fair! You like him. I get it. I don't. He's shite. I like footballers, just not extremely limited ones and Ryan Woods is extremely limited, if I was being polite. He is in a side not adapted to the likes of him Put him in side with like minded personnel and it’s a different scenario He won every award at Brentford over the like of Sawyers etc It’s basic stuff really So he's one dimensional then.
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Jul 15, 2020 11:52:38 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 15, 2020 11:52:38 GMT
Where Ryan Woods is concerned it's more sideways thinking than forward to be fair! You like him. I get it. I don't. He's shite. I like footballers, just not extremely limited ones and Ryan Woods is extremely limited, if I was being polite. He is in a side not adapted to the likes of him Put him in side with like minded personnel and it’s a different scenario He won every award at Brentford over the like of Sawyers etc It’s basic stuff really Not really. Sometimes a player can look better than he because he has decent players around him. Ryan Shawcross has never been our player of the season for example despite being our player of the season in his first 8 seasons with the club. Others would get the plaudits because he's excellence was taken for granted. We paid 6m for an extremely limited player. Hopefully Rowett rates him so highly that he'll give us a fair proportion of that back. I absolutely won't be sorry to see him go. Can't stand him.
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Jul 15, 2020 12:03:49 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Jul 15, 2020 12:03:49 GMT
I would describe Woods as a one trick pony.
He can receive the ball in front of his own penalty area, control it, and move it well. He was excellent for us in his first match, commanding the game, and one the best first game's by a Stoke signing. A very useful player to start counter attacks.
But that is where it stops. He is lost further forward, and hopeless at defending.
These days players have to full-fill more than one role (unless they brilliant) or it seriously weakens the side.
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Jul 15, 2020 12:11:43 GMT
Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jul 15, 2020 12:11:43 GMT
Sawyers has had no trouble adapting though, has he? We bought the wring Brentford player. Rowett may well rate him, but to expect anything more than £2m for him is optimistic. Like I said, let's have a chat about Jed Wallace, a standout player for them who I'd like to see at Stoke.
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