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Post by mystokebadge on Nov 1, 2019 16:52:57 GMT
Lets face it he was one of the worst managers in our history, but the decisions he has made with the players he has bought into the club is going to effect us and the next manager for the next couple of years at least.I cannot imagine clubs will be after many of his players who will be decent money with a fair bit of time left on their contracts.For me if the next guy in can keep us up and stop us being the laughing stock we have become that would be a fantastic start.
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 1, 2019 17:23:43 GMT
Lets face it he was one of the worst managers in our history, but the decisions he has made with the players he has bought into the club is going to effect us and the next manager for the next couple of years at least.I cannot imagine clubs will be after many of his players who will be decent money with a fair bit of time left on their contracts.For me if the next guy in can keep us up and stop us being the laughing stock we have become that would be a fantastic start. He has simply piled more shit onto the huge pile of shit left by Hughes and Rowett, the man has been an unmitigated disaster for us an absolute fraud yet we still had some posters on here backing him up even tis morning, with supporters that thick it is no surprise we are in a mess. |
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Post by staffordpotter78 on Nov 1, 2019 17:27:35 GMT
To be fair as bad as some of these players may have looked under Jones's leadership, under a new manager and fresh tactics they may flourish again and show us why they were being considered in the first place. There's some quality players already at the club and if whoever the new manager is can get a tune out of the likes of Tommy Smith then you'd think with the probable exception of Stephen Ward and Jordan Cousisn the rest of Jones's signings do have the ability to prosper still
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Post by zerps on Nov 1, 2019 17:30:03 GMT
Shit bin
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Post by PolPotter on Nov 1, 2019 17:31:45 GMT
Lets face it he was one of the worst managers in our history, but the decisions he has made with the players he has bought into the club is going to effect us and the next manager for the next couple of years at least.I cannot imagine clubs will be after many of his players who will be decent money with a fair bit of time left on their contracts.For me if the next guy in can keep us up and stop us being the laughing stock we have become that would be a fantastic start. He has simply piled more shit onto the huge pile of shit left by Hughes and Rowett, the man has been an unmitigated disaster for us an absolute fraud yet we still had some posters on here backing him up even tis morning, with supporters that thick it is no surprise we are in a mess. Calling him a fraud is harsh. We know where he came from and what managerial experience he had. He showed potential at Luton Town and the club took the chance in signing him. He also had to deal with legacy of Hughes and Rowett. Out of his depth and should have gone a while ago but he's not a fraudster. |
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 1, 2019 17:33:19 GMT
Whoever gets the job, it will be interesting to see if they can get a tune out of some of Jones players.....from what I’ve seen Ward,Lindsey and Smith aren’t going to be up to much. Throw in Rowetts picks of Ince, Mclean and Woods and that’s nearly half a team already who can’t cut it. The player recruitment has been atrocious. You are bound to get some transfers wrong but how have we got so many, so wrong in such a short amount of time?
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Post by franklin66 on Nov 1, 2019 17:33:53 GMT
He's not left one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 17:34:04 GMT
The biggest worry for us and any manager coming in is that no matter what he tried nothing seemed to worked.
Different systems, different formations, different players all failed. Sometimes he gave the fans what they wanted and that failed too.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 1, 2019 17:36:10 GMT
I liked Jones and really wanted it to work but fuck me he's left us with even more shit to try and shift.
I can't see too many takers for Jason Cousins, Liam Lindsay, Sam Vokes or Stephen Ward.
At least we've only borrowed Scott Hogan and that Duffy bloke.
Young, fast and athletic they certainly aren't!!
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Post by PolPotter on Nov 1, 2019 17:37:05 GMT
The biggest worry for us and any manager coming in is that no matter what he tried nothing seemed to worked. Different systems, different formations, different players all failed. Sometimes he gave the fans what they wanted and that failed too. It's deep rooted and it's with the owners. There isn't a manager who can help us unfortunately. |
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Post by Goonie on Nov 1, 2019 17:48:27 GMT
He has simply piled more shit onto the huge pile of shit left by Hughes and Rowett, the man has been an unmitigated disaster for us an absolute fraud yet we still had some posters on here backing him up even tis morning, with supporters that thick it is no surprise we are in a mess. Calling him a fraud is harsh. We know where he came from and what managerial experience he had. He showed potential at Luton Town and the club took the chance in signing him. He also had to deal with legacy of Hughes and Rowett. Out of his depth and should have gone a while ago but he's not a fraudster. True - very out of his depth The only person he defrauded was Nathan Jones and his belief he was good enough at this level |
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Post by davejohnno1 on Nov 1, 2019 17:50:16 GMT
To be fair as bad as some of these players may have looked under Jones's leadership, under a new manager and fresh tactics they may flourish again and show us why they were being considered in the first place. There's some quality players already at the club and if whoever the new manager is can get a tune out of the likes of Tommy Smith then you'd think with the probable exception of Stephen Ward and Jordan Cousisn the rest of Jones's signings do have the ability to prosper still Liam Lindsey has no ability at all let alone an ability to prosper |
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Nov 1, 2019 17:51:50 GMT
I liked Jones and really wanted it to work but fuck me he's left us with even more shit to try and shift. I can't see too many takers for Jason Cousins, Liam Lindsay, Sam Vokes or Stephen Ward. At least we've only borrowed Scott Hogan and that Duffy bloke. Young, fast and athletic they certainly aren't!! On the plus side..... We've still got McClean contracted for another two seasons!!! Good god.... I've just realised what I said, Oooooo!!! 😩 |
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Nov 1, 2019 17:53:09 GMT
The only long term legacy that matters at Stoke is the lunacy that the Coates’ and Scholes. have presided over in the last 3 years. Anything else is superficial. Changing the name on the door means fuck all if the building is on fire.
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Post by numpty40 on Nov 1, 2019 17:57:54 GMT
Lets face it he was one of the worst managers in our history, but the decisions he has made with the players he has bought into the club is going to effect us and the next manager for the next couple of years at least.I cannot imagine clubs will be after many of his players who will be decent money with a fair bit of time left on their contracts.For me if the next guy in can keep us up and stop us being the laughing stock we have become that would be a fantastic start. He has simply piled more shit onto the huge pile of shit left by Hughes and Rowett, the man has been an unmitigated disaster for us an absolute fraud yet we still had some posters on here backing him up even tis morning, with supporters that thick it is no surprise we are in a mess. He's not a fraud by any stretch of the imagination. He certainly wasn't good enough or experienced enough for the job but I don't doubt he he gave his all. I hope he learns from this and does well in the future, I really can't dislike the bloke. |
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Post by jarvinski on Nov 1, 2019 17:58:35 GMT
If McClean played on the wing it may help help, but to be honest George Formby wouldn’t have got a tune out of this lot, the worst manage and team in our history
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Post by dreamtheater on Nov 1, 2019 18:04:11 GMT
An appalling set of signings is what I will remember him by and an innate ability to hang himself by his own media drivellings
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Post by zerps on Nov 1, 2019 18:14:07 GMT
An appalling set of signings is what I will remember him by and an innate ability to hang himself by his own media drivellings At least you can berate the next manager soon |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 18:26:59 GMT
Definitely the worst manager within my lifetime, he took a disaster of a squad and made it even worse.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Nov 1, 2019 18:30:15 GMT
Legacy? Did he do enough of anything to achieve any kind of legacy? Strange terminology
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Nov 1, 2019 18:50:10 GMT
Lets face it he was one of the worst managers in our history, but the decisions he has made with the players he has bought into the club is going to effect us and the next manager for the next couple of years at least.I cannot imagine clubs will be after many of his players who will be decent money with a fair bit of time left on their contracts.For me if the next guy in can keep us up and stop us being the laughing stock we have become that would be a fantastic start. He has simply piled more shit onto the huge pile of shit left by Hughes and Rowett, the man has been an unmitigated disaster for us an absolute fraud yet we still had some posters on here backing him up even tis morning, with supporters that thick it is no surprise we are in a mess. Don't get your logic, I've met plenty of Liverpool fans and their team isn't shit. Don't see the correlation chief. |
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Post by sheds1862 on Nov 1, 2019 18:51:07 GMT
Cousins
Lindsay
Davies
Enough said
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 1, 2019 19:02:06 GMT
He has simply piled more shit onto the huge pile of shit left by Hughes and Rowett, the man has been an unmitigated disaster for us an absolute fraud yet we still had some posters on here backing him up even tis morning, with supporters that thick it is no surprise we are in a mess. Calling him a fraud is harsh. We know where he came from and what managerial experience he had. He showed potential at Luton Town and the club took the chance in signing him. He also had to deal with legacy of Hughes and Rowett. Out of his depth and should have gone a while ago but he's not a fraudster. He promised young, hungry, athletic players who would run through a brick wall to play for us a team to be proud of !, he gave us a team joint bottom of the league, old, slow, injury prone players who don't look interested in playing football how is he not a fraud ? |
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 1, 2019 19:05:47 GMT
The biggest worry for us and any manager coming in is that no matter what he tried nothing seemed to worked. Different systems, different formations, different players all failed. Sometimes he gave the fans what they wanted and that failed too. He gave us two fucking wins FFS, this was his team he signed 12 players 10 of them are useless, a team to be proud of really. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 19:09:04 GMT
The biggest worry for us and any manager coming in is that no matter what he tried nothing seemed to worked. Different systems, different formations, different players all failed. Sometimes he gave the fans what they wanted and that failed too. He gave us two fucking wins FFS, this was his team he signed 12 players 10 of them are useless, a team to be proud of really. Errrrr.....okay |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2019 19:09:08 GMT
I think he'll learn massively from this and come back stronger, sadly not with us. I take a very different view of Gary Rowett - who I found exceptionally arrogant way beyond his ability. Jones proved he could build a complete machine at Luton and whilst it didn't work out here, going into jobs with that mentality will see you succeed more times than not.
Many successful managers have had early and even late failures on their CV's.
The owners and supporters (to a lesser degree) need to realise just how tough this job is and it is getting tougher each season and with each managerial departure. The dressing room will be more fractured with each sacking and residual problems, regardless of size, get watered down or even forgotten about as the chameleons in the dressing room change colour once more.
He couldn't survive his record and I personally find it a great shame. To say i'm disappointed is an understatement.
I won't go over the issues at boardroom level because from the outside-in there seems to be quite a few - mostly surrounding the recruitment side of things which incredibly has gone wrong despite tens of millions of pounds worth of investment. A crying shame? An absolute disgrace if you ask me.
I'll be a very interested 'onlooker' when the next man in plays a more generic system that Jones often tried, and failed with. It will certainly tell us a lot.
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Post by loosestools on Nov 1, 2019 19:37:46 GMT
Calling him a fraud is harsh. We know where he came from and what managerial experience he had. He showed potential at Luton Town and the club took the chance in signing him. He also had to deal with legacy of Hughes and Rowett. Out of his depth and should have gone a while ago but he's not a fraudster. He promised young, hungry, athletic players who would run through a brick wall to play for us a team to be proud of !, he gave us a team joint bottom of the league, old, slow, injury prone players who don't look interested in playing football how is he not a fraud ? That is ineptitude. The bloke is a conman and he conned the gullible Coates family. |
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Post by PolPotter on Nov 1, 2019 19:38:13 GMT
Calling him a fraud is harsh. We know where he came from and what managerial experience he had. He showed potential at Luton Town and the club took the chance in signing him. He also had to deal with legacy of Hughes and Rowett. Out of his depth and should have gone a while ago but he's not a fraudster. He promised young, hungry, athletic players who would run through a brick wall to play for us a team to be proud of !, he gave us a team joint bottom of the league, old, slow, injury prone players who don't look interested in playing football how is he not a fraud ? The meaning of the word 'fraud' is to intentionally deceive. He didn't send his CV in with a load of bullshit listed on it, the club approached him based on what he had achieved and the potential he showed. He had a plan at the beginning but unfortunately it didn't workout for him. He is going to say things that are very positive - what manager doesn't on their first day? He was crap, he had to go but he's not a fraud. |
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Post by PolPotter on Nov 1, 2019 19:38:56 GMT
He promised young, hungry, athletic players who would run through a brick wall to play for us a team to be proud of !, he gave us a team joint bottom of the league, old, slow, injury prone players who don't look interested in playing football how is he not a fraud ? That is ineptitude. The bloke is a conman and he conned the gullible Coates family. How did he con them? They went after him! |
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Post by sergeifaye on Nov 1, 2019 20:35:57 GMT
People bang on about the signings and yes they have been rubbish. But they were mostly frees. Were alarm bells not ringing with people when we were getting frees? They certainly were with me.
You get what you pay for and if you shop in the bargain basement you won't get quality. People will say yes but we spent a fortune and still bought rubbish. Yes and I could go out tomorrow spend a fortune on a car and get ripped off.
My point being I don't think the thing to focus on is his signings. The thing to focus on is the horrific win/ loss ratio. It says everything.
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