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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 9:45:40 GMT
Tell that Toytoa when they build a Toyota Prius…..the carbon footprint left behind by t hat in the production process far far outwieghs anything non-hybrid…. And they say its good for the environment !!!!!!!!!! When I worked for Toyota manufacturing in Derby in 2008, they said a car’s carbon footprint was largely in its manufacture not its use. That's partly true. The problem is partly that people get new cars so often, but if we'd stuck with old cars that pollute more we'd be in a worse situation so it's a catch 22. That said, electric car manufacture is currently pretty damn awful for the environment, and the materials used in their batteries will run out quicker than coal or oil.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 9:46:20 GMT
Hi Genuine question, and this is not a defence of Greta Thunberg. Although I do think I must be really fucking tough being 17 and reading what grown adults say about you when she’s doing (rightly or wrongly) what she thinks is right. How would you go about solving the climate emergency? Assuming you think there is one I don't think there is an "emergency". But if you want a greener planet you have to talk to China and India etc. They plan about 300-400 airports over the next few decades. Western consumerism fuels China's industrial waste. Hydrogen power. What makes you say there isn't an 'emergency'?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 2, 2020 11:29:44 GMT
Did she arrive at Temple Meads on a diesel train? Did 20,000 of her mates fuck up college green? For what? Oh Dear Roger... Why oh dear? She herself said the 'movement' was very strong in Bristol. Why go? She needs to win hearts and minds in China maybe. She went all the way to the US (on a carbon fibre yacht) and didn't want to speak with Trump. How is this changing the debate. They're anti-capitalists dressed up as planet savers.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 2, 2020 11:44:33 GMT
I don't think there is an "emergency". But if you want a greener planet you have to talk to China and India etc. They plan about 300-400 airports over the next few decades. Western consumerism fuels China's industrial waste. Hydrogen power. What makes you say there isn't an 'emergency'? I don't see an emergency. For every link you can give me I can give you one to counter. "Just as the Medieval Warm Period was an obstacle to those trying to suggest that today's temperature is exceptional, and the UN and its supporters tried to abolish it with the “hockey-stick” graph, the warmer temperatures in the 1930 and 1940s were another inconvenient fact that needed to be “fixed.”
In each of the databases, the land temperatures from that period were simply adjusted downward, making it look as though the rate of warming in the 20th century was higher than it was, and making it look as though today's temperatures were unprecedented in at least 150 years"Medieval Warm Period
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 12:00:15 GMT
What makes you say there isn't an 'emergency'? I don't see an emergency. For every link you can give me I can give you one to counter. "Just as the Medieval Warm Period was an obstacle to those trying to suggest that today's temperature is exceptional, and the UN and its supporters tried to abolish it with the “hockey-stick” graph, the warmer temperatures in the 1930 and 1940s were another inconvenient fact that needed to be “fixed.”
In each of the databases, the land temperatures from that period were simply adjusted downward, making it look as though the rate of warming in the 20th century was higher than it was, and making it look as though today's temperatures were unprecedented in at least 150 years"Medieval Warm PeriodRoger's right not be worried. He thinks we'll be taken over by aliens before the climate change emergency kicks in anyway.....
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Post by foster on Mar 2, 2020 12:12:25 GMT
What makes you say there isn't an 'emergency'? I don't see an emergency. For every link you can give me I can give you one to counter. "Just as the Medieval Warm Period was an obstacle to those trying to suggest that today's temperature is exceptional, and the UN and its supporters tried to abolish it with the “hockey-stick” graph, the warmer temperatures in the 1930 and 1940s were another inconvenient fact that needed to be “fixed.”
In each of the databases, the land temperatures from that period were simply adjusted downward, making it look as though the rate of warming in the 20th century was higher than it was, and making it look as though today's temperatures were unprecedented in at least 150 years"Medieval Warm Periodand? There's a difference between natural cycles and a man made catastrophe that's permanent. What we're dealing with now isn't just a warm period and isn't solely related to temperature. I would imagine in medieval times the quality of the air was much better and they had significantly more vegetation to help balance any brief rise in temperatures. Probably had significantly less waste, less people and more ozone layer as well.
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Post by wagsastokie on Mar 2, 2020 12:14:45 GMT
What makes you say there isn't an 'emergency'? I don't see an emergency. For every link you can give me I can give you one to counter. "Just as the Medieval Warm Period was an obstacle to those trying to suggest that today's temperature is exceptional, and the UN and its supporters tried to abolish it with the “hockey-stick” graph, the warmer temperatures in the 1930 and 1940s were another inconvenient fact that needed to be “fixed.”
In each of the databases, the land temperatures from that period were simply adjusted downward, making it look as though the rate of warming in the 20th century was higher than it was, and making it look as though today's temperatures were unprecedented in at least 150 years"Medieval Warm PeriodMedieval warming I blame it on those pesky charcoal burners
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 2, 2020 12:29:23 GMT
I don't see an emergency. For every link you can give me I can give you one to counter. "Just as the Medieval Warm Period was an obstacle to those trying to suggest that today's temperature is exceptional, and the UN and its supporters tried to abolish it with the “hockey-stick” graph, the warmer temperatures in the 1930 and 1940s were another inconvenient fact that needed to be “fixed.”
In each of the databases, the land temperatures from that period were simply adjusted downward, making it look as though the rate of warming in the 20th century was higher than it was, and making it look as though today's temperatures were unprecedented in at least 150 years"Medieval Warm Periodand? There's a difference between natural cycles and a man made catastrophe that's permanent. What we're dealing with now isn't just a warm period and isn't solely related to temperature. I would imagine in medieval times the quality of the air was much better and they had significantly more vegetation to help balance any brief rise in temperatures. Probably had significantly less waste, less people and more ozone layer as well. I don't see a "catastrophe". I see a lot of unnecessary pollution and the big industries like China, India and the US need to do much, much more. But I don't think EV's are the way forward for vehicles. Don't get me wrong, I recycle like I've got ADHD. Every scrap of plastic. I'm proud that the UK's carbon emissions peaked in 1973. I'm proud that the UK's reduction in CO2 output is the best in the G20. More needs to be done but I don't believe in an a "permanent catastrophe". I don't agree with the Monibot's of the world who insists we should dismantle airports never mind build a new runway. Greta telling us change is coming whether we like it or not is not debate and turns off many people.
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Post by felonious on Mar 2, 2020 14:10:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 15:12:41 GMT
What makes you say there isn't an 'emergency'? I don't see an emergency. For every link you can give me I can give you one to counter. "Just as the Medieval Warm Period was an obstacle to those trying to suggest that today's temperature is exceptional, and the UN and its supporters tried to abolish it with the “hockey-stick” graph, the warmer temperatures in the 1930 and 1940s were another inconvenient fact that needed to be “fixed.”
In each of the databases, the land temperatures from that period were simply adjusted downward, making it look as though the rate of warming in the 20th century was higher than it was, and making it look as though today's temperatures were unprecedented in at least 150 years"Medieval Warm PeriodI know about the medieval warm period. I've worked in climate science and renewables. It existed in isolated parts of the world, and was never a global phenomenon like climate change today. You've made your mind up though, so fine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 15:13:57 GMT
and? There's a difference between natural cycles and a man made catastrophe that's permanent. What we're dealing with now isn't just a warm period and isn't solely related to temperature. I would imagine in medieval times the quality of the air was much better and they had significantly more vegetation to help balance any brief rise in temperatures. Probably had significantly less waste, less people and more ozone layer as well. I don't see a "catastrophe". I see a lot of unnecessary pollution and the big industries like China, India and the US need to do much, much more. But I don't think EV's are the way forward for vehicles. Don't get me wrong, I recycle like I've got ADHD. Every scrap of plastic. I'm proud that the UK's carbon emissions peaked in 1973. I'm proud that the UK's reduction in CO2 output is the best in the G20. More needs to be done but I don't believe in an a "permanent catastrophe". I don't agree with the Monibot's of the world who insists we should dismantle airports never mind build a new runway. Greta telling us change is coming whether we like it or not is not debate and turns off many people. There is no debate to be had. It is coming. We're sodded unless we make a significant change, and our 'well we're better than other countries' is not good enough.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 2, 2020 15:37:16 GMT
I don't see a "catastrophe". I see a lot of unnecessary pollution and the big industries like China, India and the US need to do much, much more. But I don't think EV's are the way forward for vehicles. Don't get me wrong, I recycle like I've got ADHD. Every scrap of plastic. I'm proud that the UK's carbon emissions peaked in 1973. I'm proud that the UK's reduction in CO2 output is the best in the G20. More needs to be done but I don't believe in an a "permanent catastrophe". I don't agree with the Monibot's of the world who insists we should dismantle airports never mind build a new runway. Greta telling us change is coming whether we like it or not is not debate and turns off many people. There is no debate to be had. It is coming. We're sodded unless we make a significant change, and our 'well we're better than other countries' is not good enough. Doesn't the UK produce less than 1% of CO2 emissions globally? Where/how would start saving the planet?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 15:59:22 GMT
There is no debate to be had. It is coming. We're sodded unless we make a significant change, and our 'well we're better than other countries' is not good enough. Doesn't the UK produce less than 1% of CO2 emissions globally? Where/how would start saving the planet? By stopping that 1%, meaning 1% lower emissions globally. Would show other countries that Carbon neutrality is possible and would massively encourage China/India/USA/the rest of the world to follow suit.
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Post by Davef on Mar 2, 2020 16:11:21 GMT
I don't see a "catastrophe". I see a lot of unnecessary pollution and the big industries like China, India and the US need to do much, much more. But I don't think EV's are the way forward for vehicles. Don't get me wrong, I recycle like I've got ADHD. Every scrap of plastic. I'm proud that the UK's carbon emissions peaked in 1973. I'm proud that the UK's reduction in CO2 output is the best in the G20. More needs to be done but I don't believe in an a "permanent catastrophe". I don't agree with the Monibot's of the world who insists we should dismantle airports never mind build a new runway. Greta telling us change is coming whether we like it or not is not debate and turns off many people. There is no debate to be had. It is coming. We're sodded unless we make a significant change, and our 'well we're better than other countries' is not good enough. Predictions of climate catastrophe have been wrong for the last fifty or sixty years. Why should Greta's be any different?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 16:20:15 GMT
There is no debate to be had. It is coming. We're sodded unless we make a significant change, and our 'well we're better than other countries' is not good enough. Predictions of climate catastrophe have been wrong for the last fifty or sixty years. Why should Greta's be any different? Almost all peer-agreed predictions made by climate scientists in the last 50 years have either come true, are on track to come true, or are worse than first feared, so I'm not sure where you've got that from.
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Post by Davef on Mar 2, 2020 16:32:40 GMT
Predictions of climate catastrophe have been wrong for the last fifty or sixty years. Why should Greta's be any different? Almost all peer-agreed predictions made by climate scientists in the last 50 years have either come true, are on track to come true, or are worse than first feared, so I'm not sure where you've got that from. Okay. The predictions of Siberian-style winters in Britain, British kids never seeing snowfall, an ice-free Arctic or the Maldives being underwater must not have come from proper climate scientists then.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 17:19:00 GMT
Almost all peer-agreed predictions made by climate scientists in the last 50 years have either come true, are on track to come true, or are worse than first feared, so I'm not sure where you've got that from. Okay. The predictions of Siberian-style winters in Britain, British kids never seeing snowfall, an ice-free Arctic or the Maldives being underwater must not have come from proper climate scientists then. They came from the Daily Express..............
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 2, 2020 17:37:33 GMT
Almost all peer-agreed predictions made by climate scientists in the last 50 years have either come true, are on track to come true, or are worse than first feared, so I'm not sure where you've got that from. Okay. The predictions of Siberian-style winters in Britain, British kids never seeing snowfall, an ice-free Arctic or the Maldives being underwater must not have come from proper climate scientists then. Oh David
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Post by Davef on Mar 2, 2020 17:38:12 GMT
Okay. The predictions of Siberian-style winters in Britain, British kids never seeing snowfall, an ice-free Arctic or the Maldives being underwater must not have come from proper climate scientists then. They came from the Daily Express.............. No, NASA, the UN and the Pentagon. Obviously cranks though.
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Post by Miles Offside on Mar 2, 2020 17:53:09 GMT
I can understand the kids taking time off school to try to force the government to "do something", but I wonder how they'd react if the government "did something" like restricting travel and every household to one car, one TV, one tablet/laptop/desktop PC?
We need a proper national debate about the issue. And while we're at it, we need to recognise how we're fuelling climate change by buying cheap goods from countries like China and India as they're the (ever-increasing) big polluters.
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Post by franklin66 on Mar 2, 2020 18:16:01 GMT
Doesn't the UK produce less than 1% of CO2 emissions globally? Where/how would start saving the planet? By stopping that 1%, meaning 1% lower emissions globally. Would show other countries that Carbon neutrality is possible and would massively encourage China/India/USA/the rest of the world to follow suit. 🤦♂️ not a cat in hells chance of any of them give a flying about what we do or say.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 18:17:42 GMT
They came from the Daily Express.............. No, NASA, the UN and the Pentagon. Obviously cranks though. The rate of decline may not be as dramatic as forecast over the years, but the issues are clearly there. The Maldives is still in danger, if you use the Marshall Islands as an example instead parts are already suffering from king tide flooding....
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Post by Davef on Mar 2, 2020 19:07:11 GMT
No, NASA, the UN and the Pentagon. Obviously cranks though. The rate of decline may not be as dramatic as forecast over the years, but the issues are clearly there. The Maldives is still in danger, if you use the Marshall Islands as an example instead parts are already suffering from king tide flooding.... Seems a pretty odd decision by the Maldives to plan on building several new airports then?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 19:14:30 GMT
Almost all peer-agreed predictions made by climate scientists in the last 50 years have either come true, are on track to come true, or are worse than first feared, so I'm not sure where you've got that from. Okay. The predictions of Siberian-style winters in Britain, British kids never seeing snowfall, an ice-free Arctic or the Maldives being underwater must not have come from proper climate scientists then. Well, extreme weather events are already more commonplace, the arctic is losing ice at an astounding rate and sea levels are still rising.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 19:15:01 GMT
By stopping that 1%, meaning 1% lower emissions globally. Would show other countries that Carbon neutrality is possible and would massively encourage China/India/USA/the rest of the world to follow suit. 🤦♂️ not a cat in hells chance of any of them give a flying about what we do or say. So we may as well not bother then?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 19:36:30 GMT
The rate of decline may not be as dramatic as forecast over the years, but the issues are clearly there. The Maldives is still in danger, if you use the Marshall Islands as an example instead parts are already suffering from king tide flooding.... Seems a pretty odd decision by the Maldives to plan on building several new airports then? Lots of governments make odd decisions. It’s easier when the Saudis and China are contributing most of the money I guess. They still have 30+ years to cash in on tourism first, maybe that’s how they’re looking at it? Meanwhile the Marshall Islands one of the other 4 islands in danger have called a climate emergency......
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Mar 2, 2020 19:54:02 GMT
Did she arrive at Temple Meads on a diesel train? Did 20,000 of her mates fuck up college green? For what? View AttachmentTrain travel, diesel or otherwise, is still the most environmentally friendly way to travel. College green is just a bit of grass, it'll grow back no bother seeing as grass is one of the most robust plants on earth.
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Post by sharpy on Mar 2, 2020 20:30:47 GMT
There`s a complete ecosystem living below that grass, well there was.
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Post by sharpy on Mar 2, 2020 20:32:40 GMT
🤦♂️ not a cat in hells chance of any of them give a flying about what we do or say. So we may as well not bother then? We are bothering though are we not ?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Mar 2, 2020 20:33:37 GMT
Did she arrive at Temple Meads on a diesel train? Did 20,000 of her mates fuck up college green? For what? Train travel, diesel or otherwise, is still the most environmentally friendly way to travel. College green is just a bit of grass, it'll grow back no bother seeing as grass is one of the most robust plants on earth. She could have cycled or skyped.
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