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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 20:54:44 GMT
You thought everything was hunky dory last season then with players not wanting to play for the club or even turning up when they're meant to. Huh? Come again? I believe I was talking about Jones. Just because last season and the season before that sucked, is no reason to feel sorry for the current idiot. So you must be one of the “Aw, diddums, poor little Nate. We shouldn’t hurt his feelings...” Fuck me! You mentioned about behind the scenes stuff I misread what you meant , fuck me you are a touchy little flower aint you, yeh it's crap on Jones but no not poor little Nate its football, hurt his feelings all you like he's a grown man I'm sure he can take it.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 20:56:15 GMT
Bego is done at a decent level imo, Bournemouth were desperate to see him gone. I'd wager he is still a better keeper than JB by a country mile, our keeper has been conceding 'a lot' of goals for nearly 4 years now and has always escaped criticisim. Every now & again he makes a decent save but so does every other gk in the country. We have never replaced Butland soley because he has an England international tag. He's had 1 good season as a stoke player for me and lived off of it ever since. I'd love to know the stats on shots at Butland to goals conceded. Every time any team shoots you think they are going to score Like everyone else I'd be happy if Butland was replaced, as you say he's been poor for some time but we need a replacement not a player thats been doing the same thing as him, both have been shocking for a while.
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Post by Sfance on Sept 29, 2019 20:58:53 GMT
Poor ickle Natie. It’s true, we shouldn’t beat up on the afflicted. Even when they keep coming out saying “Look at me, I’m an idiot. And do you know how much they’re paying me for this? Correction, how much you’re paying for this?” Give me a fucking break.
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Post by chamberlain on Sept 29, 2019 20:59:15 GMT
I've been thinking about it for a few days and I know I'll get shit for it and most if not all will disagree with me but I'm really not sure what a new manager will do, we're creating chances and actually looking like a good team for decent chunks of a game, whats been letting us down for the most part is individual errors and they aren't easy to eradicate, it's been every game, we start well we mess up goal, a done, how does a new man get Butland making a simple save a none league player would make or an experienced defender from stopping the ball bouncing when he can easily clear it away, I don't think a new manager solves it. Simple,he drops him, that's what a good manager would do. He did drop him and then bought him back straight away ,why I'll never know .
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 29, 2019 20:59:18 GMT
What a deluded arse he really thinks he is the Messiah well you are not you are a fucking mess Nathan.
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Post by BuzzB on Sept 29, 2019 20:59:48 GMT
Out of boredom last night I watched the first half back again, as, on Friday at full time at the game I was so pissed off I forgot how decent we were. And we were, Butlands error apart though we didn't do anything wrong, our two top Africans were the dogs in midfield. What the hell happens to this bunch when they concede, its like a switch goes off and self capitulation auto kicks in! Its a massive sign of weakness, no fight,passing the buck, Edwards looked like a frightened rabbit, Ince missing, Lindsay being Lindsay, I could go on. We need some like a Moyes or (cough splutter) Pulis TYPE manager who can put the football fear of god up this lot, command some respect because they sure as hell have none for NJ. Jones has not helped himself too, speaks Welsh twaddle and bigs himself up far too much instead of concentrating on what matters, crazy selections crazy substitutions. I have said this before, this current lot, manager included remind me so much of Brian Littles misfits. He has to go, we go down again and we will stay in the lower leagues for a good while if Coates keeps him, the fans, the hardcore 15000 who we are now back down to deserve better, Jones has had no grief whatsoever on matchdays, whether thats apathy boredom resignation of the inevitable who knows. After 50 years as a supporter I have never seen a run like this, I can't remeber the last time we walked back up penguin hill after a win. Moyes in please asap!!!
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Post by ChesterStokie on Sept 29, 2019 21:01:16 GMT
Fighting talk there from Nathan. Good on him.
All he needs now is:
(1) a resounding win on Tuesday
(2) a decent performance at Swansea
(3) Hughton and Moyes to say no
And then the job is his until at least November.
Stranger things have happened.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 29, 2019 21:01:53 GMT
Proof or hearsay again ? surely no one could fall out with nice guy Nathan, maybe he fell out with Pieters and Bojan as well and replaced them with an OAP and sick note Nick. Hearsay buy the seems of things but you've never been one to be bothered by that ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) So your talking bullshit again ![(thumbsup)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/q4Mqf5MqRwT9PY8UitYa.gif) defending the indefensible never works he has been found out for what he is a shit manager, fraud and a liar.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 29, 2019 21:07:25 GMT
Changing people lives? I'll tell you what Nath, have a look up the road at a bloke called Lou Macari. He's changing peoples lives by taking them off the street for a night and giving them something to eat. He's forgotten more about successfully managing a football team than you will ever know.
Now fuck off.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 29, 2019 21:07:42 GMT
Right Man. Wrong left back. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/4tzqvp1fxEemag_TAXLJ.gif)
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 29, 2019 21:09:38 GMT
Tbf he did and got slated for making too many changes. If he dropped everyone that's made a mistake this season we wouldn't be able to field a team. Nobody was slating Jones for dropping Butland.....he does make too many changes, that's irrefutable Indeed. Not one single person was slating Jones for dropping Butland, not one but people are (rightly) slating Jones for only dropping him for one game, it was a token gesture, nothing more. Jones can't hide behind the excuse of players making mistakes, when he picks (and then makes captain) the biggest contributor to individual errors in the team. It's never Nathan's fault is it?
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 29, 2019 21:09:40 GMT
Changing people lives? I'll tell you what Nath, have a look up the road at a bloke called Lou Macari. He's changing peoples lives by taking them off the street for a night and giving them something to eat. He's forgotten more about successfully managing a football team than you will ever know. Now fuck off. Excellent point 👍
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Post by silsdenstokie on Sept 29, 2019 21:09:50 GMT
He does seem to talk a lot of shit from where I'm sitting.
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Post by Sfance on Sept 29, 2019 21:13:20 GMT
Maybe that stuff he’s doing behind the scenes, maybe it has nothing to do with football. Maybe he’s been converting them all, dragging their asses down to the Trent and baptizing them in the pristine waters. Yeah, that’s probably it. Maybe I was wrong about having them paint the dressing rooms.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 21:14:30 GMT
Maybe that stuff he’s doing behind the scenes, maybe it has nothing to do with football. Maybe he’s been converting them all, dragging their asses down to the Trent and baptizing them in the pristine waters. Yeah, that’s probably it. Maybe I was wrong about having them paint the dressing rooms. Getting them to write down all the quotes for the walls 🙈
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Post by Davef on Sept 29, 2019 21:17:11 GMT
This is narcissism off the scale. If he's talking up his "achievements" after 4 wins in 33 games, can you imagine what he'd be like if he'd only lost 4 in 33?!
Not that we'd be bothered mind.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 21:22:15 GMT
Hearsay buy the seems of things but you've never been one to be bothered by that ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) So your talking bullshit again ![(thumbsup)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/q4Mqf5MqRwT9PY8UitYa.gif) defending the indefensible never works he has been found out for what he is a shit manager, fraud and a liar. No not really, but its been alluded too by Jones, it was one reply in one interview and it would make sense. Can you please tell me when I talked bullshit before please, thank you.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 21:23:12 GMT
Nobody was slating Jones for dropping Butland.....he does make too many changes, that's irrefutable Indeed. Not one single person was slating Jones for dropping Butland, not one but people are (rightly) slating Jones for only dropping him for one game, it was a token gesture, nothing more. Jones can't hide behind the excuse of players making mistakes, when he picks (and then makes captain) the biggest contributor to individual errors in the team. It's never Nathan's fault is it? Is it not, even when he himself admitted he dropped a bollock?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 21:29:16 GMT
Indeed. Not one single person was slating Jones for dropping Butland, not one but people are (rightly) slating Jones for only dropping him for one game, it was a token gesture, nothing more. Jones can't hide behind the excuse of players making mistakes, when he picks (and then makes captain) the biggest contributor to individual errors in the team. It's never Nathan's fault is it? Is it not, even when he himself admitted he dropped a bollock? When? There was on time when he took Woods off. Has there been any other times he’s said it’s his own fault? Did he even explain the formation he used at Crawley? Did he explain why he brought Butland back and Allen when they are making the mistakes? Has he explained why he bought all the players he bought that aren’t playing when he’s not sure if the ones that are are playing for him? Has he explain why he can’t play two up top even though he apparently wants to? Has he has explained what all this amazing work he’s done off the pitch is at all? No. I didn’t think so. I can’t believe people are still buying this absolute waffle he comes out with.
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Post by milky on Sept 29, 2019 21:34:30 GMT
This is his David Brent moment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 21:36:29 GMT
Good. Wouldn't want him to think anything else.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 29, 2019 21:38:01 GMT
I have to say he is starting to spout a the same stuff Pulis did just he left with mutual consent, all he could have said in addition was the Coates family are great, supportive blah blah. Tony Pulis was sacked by Stoke City.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 21:42:43 GMT
I'm glad he's turned some lives around because I feel like for the lions share of a year of my life he's given me nothing but anger and disappointment.
Genuinely worried about the future of our club thanks to a year of rowett and jones
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 29, 2019 21:45:07 GMT
I'm glad he's turned some lives around because I feel like for the lions share of a year of my life he's given me nothing but anger and disappointment. Genuinely worried about the future of our club thanks to a year of rowett and jones
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Post by ceejays on Sept 29, 2019 21:46:20 GMT
He blames mistakes but doesn’t correct them. He’s created a squad of 27 plus 9 on loan then plays Russian roulette with the team selection. Any one knows you must have a settled back four !!! ffs yes he’s had some bad luck (shawcross injury) but how many different central defence combinations has he had ? India and ccv ? Yeah right. Try learning SHAPE training rather than Allen and clucas constantly wandering around like lost sheep. We all know he’s inherited shite but he’s created more shite. My system depends on athletes as full backs and we have McClean and Ward !!!! Jesus he really has some front and I’ve supported him but time to go Nathan you talk shite
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 21:46:32 GMT
Is it not, even when he himself admitted he dropped a bollock? When? There was on time when he took Woods off. Has there been any other times he’s said it’s his own fault? Did he even explain the formation he used at Crawley? Did he explain why he brought Butland back and Allen when they are making the mistakes? Has he explained why he bought all the players he bought that aren’t playing when he’s not sure if the ones that are are playing for him? Has he explain why he can’t play two up top even though he apparently wants to? Has he has explained what all this amazing work he’s done off the pitch is at all? No. I didn’t think so. I can’t believe people are still buying this absolute waffle he comes out with. He's said plenty of times its on him, and he's right he's made plenty of mistakes and its to be expected when you have a manager thats relatively inexperienced. Allen is clearly a favorite not just of Jones but of every bloody manager since we signed him, I'm at a loss with that one tbh, and Butland who knows, he was/is a massive financial asset to club and we need him playing well, maybe the hope he turns it around comes from that but he isn't going to come out with that is he no manager would or maybe he thinks its a blip and he will find some form. I'd say its pretty obvious why he can't play two up top, the defenders can't be trusted and need as much help as possible. Just because I think our biggest problems have been down to individual errors doesn't mean I don't think he's fucked up, take Birmingham for example he went for a point and completely fucked it when it needed changing. Personally I'm not going off his waffle I'm going of whats happening on the pitch, how does another manager get this team creating the chances they are and suddenly be able to eradicate the constant individual mistakes, somebody said drop them but you can't drop everyone, you can go more defensive but no one seemed happy with that last season, I'm at a loss what a new manager does thats suddenly going to change things.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 29, 2019 21:47:17 GMT
I'm glad he's turned some lives around because I feel like for the lions share of a year of my life he's given me nothing but anger and disappointment. Genuinely worried about the future of our club thanks to a year of rowett and jones Dont forget the relegation season being battered 3,4 5 nil, that hurt but this is torture I don't think there is one team that have endured as much as us stokies over the last 3-4 years
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 21:47:59 GMT
Arrogant, boring, repetitive, deluded, but above all a flailure. That's what my dad writes in my birthday card
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 21:49:18 GMT
He blames mistakes but doesn’t correct them. He’s created a squad of 27 plus 9 on loan then plays Russian roulette with the team selection. Any one knows you must have a settled back four !!! ffs yes he’s had some bad luck (shawcross injury) but how many different central defence combinations has he had ? India and ccv ? Yeah right. Try learning SHAPE training rather than Allen and clucas constantly wandering around like lost sheep. We all know he’s inherited shite but he’s created more shite. My system depends on athletes as full backs and we have McClean and Ward !!!! Jesus he really has some front and I’ve supported him but time to go Nathan you talk shite Yeh, players he's brought in who we didn't need Vokes, Cousins, Smith, Carter-Vickers, Lindsay, Duffy, ward. This lot have reduced our overall quality. I was behind him until that disgrace of a summer transfer window
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Post by firfuxache on Sept 29, 2019 21:49:36 GMT
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