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Post by gingerninja on Sept 29, 2019 19:59:35 GMT
I have to say he is starting to spout a the same stuff Pulis did just he left with mutual consent, all he could have said in addition was the Coates family are great, supportive blah blah.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Sept 29, 2019 20:02:18 GMT
Jesus Hates Christ. He comes across as an utterly un-likeable egomaniac.
He really needs to go.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Sept 29, 2019 20:02:31 GMT
😁😁 I must be. If Moyes or Hughton want/would take the job I would make the change, as I feel both would be a clear upgrade on Jones. However, I do like the guy. He has been badly let down by a group of players. 5 goal conceding mistakes from Butland alone after 9 games is just mental. I know he has continued to pick him, I get that. I just think it's really easy for us all to sit here and say we would drop Jack for a month, 3 months whatever. It would be totally different if any of us were in role. (EX)England international, U21 Captain, how many PL games. It just wouldnt happen. I'm annoyed with Jones in that he has not recruited well - but we dont get the full picture - and more annoyed for this 5 at the back bollocks. He clearly believes in his diamond and attacking football so go and bloody do it and go out doing your thing. He doesn't believe in his diamond at all, he's already ditched it in numerous games. A good manager doesn't pick players on reputation. The bloke thinks he's a combination of Pep and Mourinho when in reality he's a poor man's Ian Holloway That would be my annoyance is that he's strayed away from it probably in fear of his job. I would rather he stayed bold and stuck to what he does believe in. I dont think he has been anywhere near as bad as some are making out, but I would be ruthless in that if an upgrade was to become available I would make the change. Everyone who is baying for their pound of flesh would go apoplectic if he was sacked and replaced with a Coleman/Adkins/Holloway.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 29, 2019 20:08:05 GMT
I agree with him, although it is probably time he went because the atmosphere will be toxic and that isn't good for anyone, but how is a new manager suddenly going to stop Butland from dropping the ball and get Edwards making better decisions, most of whats happening isn't down to coaching. It would certainly help the keeper though if week in week out he could develop confidence in those players in front of him, jones constant changing of defensive line up does not allow for any kind of partnerships to develop. We have to have consistency and then the confidence will come, jack has no confidence of those in front him, hence the reason he made a ridiculous decision to rush goalie out against QPR. He has no confidence in McLean as he must know he doesnt think like a defender, same as Edward's. If edwards thought like a defender he would have put that ball for forest 3rd into row z, instead he was thinking he had the ability to turn the man, retain possession and start a move from that position, completely naive.The team do not have a collective understanding of what each one of them is going to do and that's where the mistakes are coming from. This has to be down to the manager and again his roulette team selections and constant changes of formation often mid game and certainly following substitutions. Stability will get us out of trouble and reduce errors, we need to create the partnerships all across the park.
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 29, 2019 20:09:34 GMT
All those lives he's transformed - he's like a walking Pride of Britain award? And the way he talks about 'his work' like he's fucking Rembrandt - he could make people's piss boil? One more thing..... to me a manager clearly can't be made accountable for player errors - but when they start to occur every fucking game then you have to start to wonder surely?
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 29, 2019 20:10:00 GMT
He sounds more and more like a deluded fool to me!
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Post by harrysburrow on Sept 29, 2019 20:14:31 GMT
I agree with him, although it is probably time he went because the atmosphere will be toxic and that isn't good for anyone, but how is a new manager suddenly going to stop Butland from dropping the ball and get Edwards making better decisions, most of whats happening isn't down to coaching. It would certainly help the keeper though if week in week out he could develop confidence in those players in front of him, jones constant changing of defensive line up does not allow for any kind of partnerships to develop. We have to have consistency and then the confidence will come, jack has no confidence of those in front him, hence the reason he made a ridiculous decision to rush goalie out against QPR. He has no confidence in McLean as he must know he doesnt think like a defender, same as Edward's. If edwards thought like a defender he would have put that ball for forest 3rd into row z, instead he was thinking he had the ability to turn the man, retain possession and start a move from that position, completely naive.The team do not have a collective understanding of what each one of them is going to do and that's where the mistakes are coming from. This has to be down to the manager and again his roulette team selections and constant changes of formation often mid game and certainly following substitutions. Stability will get us out of trouble and reduce errors, we need to create the partnerships all across the park. This is what I was trying to say in the following post mate - you've just put it miles better than me 👍 Managers can't be held accountable for individual keeper errors ( like the Spurs and Sheffield Utd games yesterday). But when mistakes happen literally every game then it usually can?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 20:15:19 GMT
Arrogant, boring, repetitive, deluded, but above all a failure.
Close the door on your way out Nath.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 20:16:38 GMT
I agree with him, although it is probably time he went because the atmosphere will be toxic and that isn't good for anyone, but how is a new manager suddenly going to stop Butland from dropping the ball and get Edwards making better decisions, most of whats happening isn't down to coaching. It would certainly help the keeper though if week in week out he could develop confidence in those players in front of him, jones constant changing of defensive line up does not allow for any kind of partnerships to develop. We have to have consistency and then the confidence will come, jack has no confidence of those in front him, hence the reason he made a ridiculous decision to rush goalie out against QPR. He has no confidence in McLean as he must know he doesnt think like a defender, same as Edward's. If edwards thought like a defender he would have put that ball for forest 3rd into row z, instead he was thinking he had the ability to turn the man, retain possession and start a move from that position, completely naive.The team do not have a collective understanding of what each one of them is going to do and that's where the mistakes are coming from. This has to be down to the manager and again his roulette team selections and constant changes of formation often mid game and certainly following substitutions. Stability will get us out of trouble and reduce errors, we need to create the partnerships all across the park. Butland is crap because he doesn't trust the defence. The defence are crap because they don't trust Butland. Works both ways.....or it could be they're all crap just like the manager
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 20:25:45 GMT
I agree with him, although it is probably time he went because the atmosphere will be toxic and that isn't good for anyone, but how is a new manager suddenly going to stop Butland from dropping the ball and get Edwards making better decisions, most of whats happening isn't down to coaching. It would certainly help the keeper though if week in week out he could develop confidence in those players in front of him, jones constant changing of defensive line up does not allow for any kind of partnerships to develop. We have to have consistency and then the confidence will come, jack has no confidence of those in front him, hence the reason he made a ridiculous decision to rush goalie out against QPR. He has no confidence in McLean as he must know he doesnt think like a defender, same as Edward's. If edwards thought like a defender he would have put that ball for forest 3rd into row z, instead he was thinking he had the ability to turn the man, retain possession and start a move from that position, completely naive.The team do not have a collective understanding of what each one of them is going to do and that's where the mistakes are coming from. This has to be down to the manager and again his roulette team selections and constant changes of formation often mid game and certainly following substitutions. Stability will get us out of trouble and reduce errors, we need to create the partnerships all across the park. None of that explains why he chose to catch rather than punch, something he did quite well later on in the game, and why Edwards doesn't tap the ball out of play when he's under pressure, none of those mistakes are down to not having confidence or understanding in other players, they're down to poor decision making in the moment, the same as losing your man and giving him a free header, if you don't think the rest of the defence are going to do their job you at least make sure you do yours.
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Post by mamasgloves on Sept 29, 2019 20:30:54 GMT
Am I reading that right, we weren't trying to win games last year but did and we are trying to win games this year..and not
People used to call Rowett arrogant, this guy is next level.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 29, 2019 20:32:23 GMT
It would certainly help the keeper though if week in week out he could develop confidence in those players in front of him, jones constant changing of defensive line up does not allow for any kind of partnerships to develop. We have to have consistency and then the confidence will come, jack has no confidence of those in front him, hence the reason he made a ridiculous decision to rush goalie out against QPR. He has no confidence in McLean as he must know he doesnt think like a defender, same as Edward's. If edwards thought like a defender he would have put that ball for forest 3rd into row z, instead he was thinking he had the ability to turn the man, retain possession and start a move from that position, completely naive.The team do not have a collective understanding of what each one of them is going to do and that's where the mistakes are coming from. This has to be down to the manager and again his roulette team selections and constant changes of formation often mid game and certainly following substitutions. Stability will get us out of trouble and reduce errors, we need to create the partnerships all across the park. Butland is crap because he doesn't trust the defence. The defence are crap because they don't trust Butland. Works both ways.....or it could be they're all crap just like the manager Butland is a half decent shot stopper 'at times' that's all. he doesn't command his area, he doesn't organise or Marshall his defence, his kicking is poor. He's a hype job. We dropped a massive bollock not swapping him for begovic. The defence have no confidence in him
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 29, 2019 20:36:15 GMT
Vampire fc, not one of ours can cope with crosses. Piss poor, god i miss huth and abdoulaye
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 20:36:37 GMT
I've been thinking about it for a few days and I know I'll get shit for it and most if not all will disagree with me but I'm really not sure what a new manager will do, we're creating chances and actually looking like a good team for decent chunks of a game, whats been letting us down for the most part is individual errors and they aren't easy to eradicate, it's been every game, we start well we mess up goal, done, how does a new man get Butland making a simple save a none league player would make or an experienced defender from stopping the ball bouncing when he can easily clear it away, I don't think a new manager solves it.
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Post by Sfance on Sept 29, 2019 20:38:05 GMT
What I can't fathom is why so many keep saying "I like the man, I feel sorry for him, but . . . ". What's to like? What's to feel sorry for? I don't see it, he's a raving idiot out of touch with reality. And what's all this stuff he's keep on about "behind the scenes"????? Has he had the team painting the dressing room? Cleaning the toilets so they sparkle? WTF!??????
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 20:39:17 GMT
Am I reading that right, we weren't trying to win games last year but did and we are trying to win games this year..and not People used to call Rowett arrogant, this guy is next level. I don't think that's what he means, his main focus was behind the scenes trying to get people pulling in the right direction and this season is more about getting them doing it on the pitch in a way he's happy with, go at teams and playing attacking football I guess.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 20:40:13 GMT
Butland is crap because he doesn't trust the defence. The defence are crap because they don't trust Butland. Works both ways.....or it could be they're all crap just like the manager Butland is a half decent shot stopper 'at times' that's all. he doesn't command his area, he doesn't organise or Marshall his defence, his kicking is poor. He's a hype job. We dropped a massive bollock not swapping him for begovic. The defence have no confidence in him Bego is done at a decent level imo, Bournemouth were desperate to see him gone.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 20:41:21 GMT
What I can't fathom is why so many keep saying "I like the man, I feel sorry for him, but . . . ". What's to like? What's to feel sorry for? I don't see it, he's a raving idiot out of touch with reality. And what's all this stuff he's keep on about "behind the scenes"????? Has he had the team painting the dressing room? Cleaning the toilets so they sparkle? WTF!?????? You thought everything was hunky dory last season then with players not wanting to play for the club or even turning up when they're meant to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 20:41:42 GMT
I've been thinking about it for a few days and I know I'll get shit for it and most if not all will disagree with me but I'm really not sure what a new manager will do, we're creating chances and actually looking like a good team for decent chunks of a game, whats been letting us down for the most part is individual errors and they aren't easy to eradicate, it's been every game, we start well we mess up goal, a done, how does a new man get Butland making a simple save a none league player would make or an experienced defender from stopping the ball bouncing when he can easily clear it away, I don't think a new manager solves it. Simple,he drops him, that's what a good manager would do.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 29, 2019 20:43:07 GMT
Butland is crap because he doesn't trust the defence. The defence are crap because they don't trust Butland. Works both ways.....or it could be they're all crap just like the manager Butland is a half decent shot stopper 'at times' that's all. he doesn't command his area, he doesn't organise or Marshall his defence, his kicking is poor. He's a hype job. We dropped a massive bollock not swapping him for begovic. The defence have no confidence in him So why is he not playing the GK he brought here ? is he really that crap he can not get a game despite Butland turning into Gordon fucking Marshall since Jones took over, selling Grant and signing fat Fed is looking like another huge bollock dropped.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 20:43:33 GMT
I've been thinking about it for a few days and I know I'll get shit for it and most if not all will disagree with me but I'm really not sure what a new manager will do, we're creating chances and actually looking like a good team for decent chunks of a game, whats been letting us down for the most part is individual errors and they aren't easy to eradicate, it's been every game, we start well we mess up goal, a done, how does a new man get Butland making a simple save a none league player would make or an experienced defender from stopping the ball bouncing when he can easily clear it away, I don't think a new manager solves it. Simple,he drops him, that's what a good manager would do. Tbf he did and got slated for making too many changes. If he dropped everyone that's made a mistake this season we wouldn't be able to field a team.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 20:43:57 GMT
Butland is a half decent shot stopper 'at times' that's all. he doesn't command his area, he doesn't organise or Marshall his defence, his kicking is poor. He's a hype job. We dropped a massive bollock not swapping him for begovic. The defence have no confidence in him So why is he not playing the GK he brought here ? is he really that crap he can not get a game despite Butland turning into Gordon fucking Marshall since Jones took over, selling Grant and signing fat Fed is looking like another huge bollock dropped. They had a fall out.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 29, 2019 20:44:47 GMT
Am I reading that right, we weren't trying to win games last year but did and we are trying to win games this year..and not People used to call Rowett arrogant, this guy is next level. I don't think that's what he means, his main focus was behind the scenes trying to get people pulling in the right direction and this season is more about getting them doing it on the pitch in a way he's happy with, go at teams and playing attacking football I guess. Attacking football did you watch the Brentford bore draw ?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Sept 29, 2019 20:46:16 GMT
Butland is a half decent shot stopper 'at times' that's all. he doesn't command his area, he doesn't organise or Marshall his defence, his kicking is poor. He's a hype job. We dropped a massive bollock not swapping him for begovic. The defence have no confidence in him Bego is done at a decent level imo, Bournemouth were desperate to see him gone. I'd wager he is still a better keeper than JB by a country mile, our keeper has been conceding 'a lot' of goals for nearly 4 years now and has always escaped criticisim. Every now & again he makes a decent save but so does every other gk in the country. We have never replaced Butland soley because he has an England international tag. He's had 1 good season as a stoke player for me and lived off of it ever since. I'd love to know the stats on shots at Butland to goals conceded. Every time any team shoots you think they are going to score
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Post by Sfance on Sept 29, 2019 20:47:43 GMT
What I can't fathom is why so many keep saying "I like the man, I feel sorry for him, but . . . ". What's to like? What's to feel sorry for? I don't see it, he's a raving idiot out of touch with reality. And what's all this stuff he's keep on about "behind the scenes"????? Has he had the team painting the dressing room? Cleaning the toilets so they sparkle? WTF!?????? You thought everything was hunky dory last season then with players not wanting to play for the club or even turning up when they're meant to. Huh? Come again? I believe I was talking about Jones. Just because last season and the season before that sucked, is no reason to feel sorry for the current idiot. So you must be one of the “Aw, diddums, poor little Nate. We shouldn’t hurt his feelings...” Fuck me!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 20:47:58 GMT
Simple,he drops him, that's what a good manager would do. Tbf he did and got slated for making too many changes. If he dropped everyone that's made a mistake this season we wouldn't be able to field a team. Nobody was slating Jones for dropping Butland.....he does make too many changes, that's irrefutable
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 29, 2019 20:49:12 GMT
So why is he not playing the GK he brought here ? is he really that crap he can not get a game despite Butland turning into Gordon fucking Marshall since Jones took over, selling Grant and signing fat Fed is looking like another huge bollock dropped. They had a fall out. Proof or hearsay again ? surely no one could fall out with nice guy Nathan, maybe he fell out with Pieters and Bojan as well and replaced them with an OAP and sick note Nick.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 29, 2019 20:51:42 GMT
Proof or hearsay again ? surely no one could fall out with nice guy Nathan, maybe he fell out with Pieters and Bojan as well and replaced them with an OAP and sick note Nick. Hearsay buy the seems of things but you've never been one to be bothered by that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 20:53:56 GMT
Proof or hearsay again ? surely no one could fall out with nice guy Nathan, maybe he fell out with Pieters and Bojan as well and replaced them with an OAP and sick note Nick. I’d put good money on him telling Pieters he wasn’t first choice left back when there was no other left back and Pieters turning round and telling him to go fuck himself. Something must have gone on there. I imagine we’ll find out one day. Bojan also said he basically lied to him as well. After one of the London games January time where he said he’d been made promises that hadn’t been kept.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 29, 2019 20:54:35 GMT
All those lives he's transformed - he's like a walking Pride of Britain award? And the way he talks about 'his work' like he's fucking Rembrandt - he could make people's piss boil? One more thing..... to me a manager clearly can't be made accountable for player errors - but when they start to occur every fucking game then you have to start to wonder surely? Rembrandt? More like Rolf Harris 😮
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