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Post by crapslinger on Sept 28, 2019 21:59:57 GMT
QPR - poor Charlton - Dominated the game, should've won by 3 or 4. Derby - dominated the game, should've won by 3 or 4. Preston - drab, done in by 2 goalkeeping howlers, Leeds - they were the better side. Birmingham - drab, individual errors cost us again Bristol City - stoic and good performance with 10 men Brentford - defended very well and good value for draw, if a bit drab Forest - should've been 3 up at half time, good performance until their 3rd, gifted them 3 goals through individual errors. That gives me around 13 points we should be at from performances, in my opinion. Hence my view of mid-table based on performances. It isn't brainwashing if I watch the game and make my own decision on it. Note how many times you used the word "should've" in that post. We are now a fifth of the way through the season and we have two points, T-W-O points, seven points adrift of safety, our main striker only managed to score his first league goal last night and we've conceded two league goals in EIGHT of the nine games we've played. At one point does "should've" become just an excuse? Coming from the individual who backed Berahino until he hung himself ! this is his normal stance, he has history of backing total losers poor lad hopefully he will grow up soon I blame his dad
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 28, 2019 22:32:37 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 28, 2019 22:39:19 GMT
So what happens if we beat Huddersfield then lose to Swansea?. Looking at fixtures after Swansea of we stick with him would could be really adrift come Mid October.
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 28, 2019 22:43:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 22:54:00 GMT
Note how many times you used the word "should've" in that post. We are now a fifth of the way through the season and we have two points, T-W-O points, seven points adrift of safety, our main striker only managed to score his first league goal last night and we've conceded two league goals in EIGHT of the nine games we've played. ??? At one point does "should've" become just an excuse? Coming from the individual who backed Berahino until he hung himself ! this is his normal stance, he has history of backing total losers poor lad hopefully he will grow up soon I blame his dad I said I thought Berahino was a decent footballer. You disagreed. Not sure why you're still touting it around like it's a trophy for you ???
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 28, 2019 23:34:20 GMT
I'm assuming he means we still might take the chance to sack him mid week regardless of the result.
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Post by Davef on Sept 28, 2019 23:58:40 GMT
I think we need to face up to the possibility that the club may well have approached potential managers who've looked at the situation and said "thanks, but no thanks".
We are in deep shit and if we can only attract Paul Lambert when we weren't exactly cut adrift in the Premier League, what makes you think we're going to attract Hughton and the great and saintly Pulis now?
If we aren't going to sack Jones after last night's result, then what's the point? The club have made their bed and they now have to lie in it.
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Post by march4 on Sept 29, 2019 0:01:18 GMT
I think we need to face up to the possibility that the club may well have approached potential managers who've looked at the situation and said "thanks, but no thanks". We are in deep shit and if we can only attract Paul Lambert when we weren't exactly cut adrift in the Premier League, what makes you think we're going to attract Hughton and the great and saintly Pulis now? If we aren't going to sack Jones after last night's result, then what's the point? The club have made their bed and they now have to lie in it. Totally agree Dave. I fear Davesviews post last week was his way of telling us that TP has turned us down. If TP won’t come back, I can’t see Moyes or Hughton being interested.
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Post by chrispk on Sept 29, 2019 0:11:27 GMT
Hope a decent available manager watched the first half on Friday night v a team near top of the league and thought ‘I can take this on and win a couple of games here and there , I will look class’.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 0:16:15 GMT
I think we need to face up to the possibility that the club may well have approached potential managers who've looked at the situation and said "thanks, but no thanks". We are in deep shit and if we can only attract Paul Lambert when we weren't exactly cut adrift in the Premier League, what makes you think we're going to attract Hughton and the great and saintly Pulis now? If we aren't going to sack Jones after last night's result, then what's the point? The club have made their bed and they now have to lie in it. PFL wouldn't look at us now. We have to ride this out now with what we have.
A very sobering situation ....
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Post by march4 on Sept 29, 2019 0:19:36 GMT
I think we need to face up to the possibility that the club may well have approached potential managers who've looked at the situation and said "thanks, but no thanks". We are in deep shit and if we can only attract Paul Lambert when we weren't exactly cut adrift in the Premier League, what makes you think we're going to attract Hughton and the great and saintly Pulis now? If we aren't going to sack Jones after last night's result, then what's the point? The club have made their bed and they now have to lie in it. PFL wouldn't look at us now. We have to ride this out now with what we have. A very sobering situation ....
I would rather we put Huth and SJW in charge. They wouldn’t do any worse.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 0:33:25 GMT
PFL wouldn't look at us now. We have to ride this out now with what we have. A very sobering situation ....
I would rather we put Huth and SJW in charge. They wouldn’t do any worse. What makes you think that Huth and SJW would want the job? And more, could they do it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 0:56:19 GMT
The very deepest of shit is what we are in.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 29, 2019 2:01:02 GMT
If we offer enough money theyll come
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Post by callas12 on Sept 29, 2019 2:12:01 GMT
If we offer enough money theyll come Worked to prise Jones away from the ongoing project he had at Luton.. Although I'm not even convinced a big pay offer will convince suitable candidates right now unfortunately..
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Post by tony1234 on Sept 29, 2019 4:03:51 GMT
I struggle to think a 3m salary and 3m bonus for keeping us up wouldn’t tempt one of Hughton, Allardyce or Moyes. (Or Alex Neil or Warnock or Pearson or Michael Laudrup). It’s a challenging assignment that would enhance their reputation, at this point, by merely having us avoid relegation. Keep us up and you’ve a good job thereafter.
But if it doesn’t, Jones has to go regardless. He simply can’t manage: he can’t prepare a team tactically or mentally, hence we cede any impetus, get out-manoeuvred and make errors. That’s not going to change.
we’d need to go leftfield, but would still prefer to offer someone else a chance... Holloway, Maclaran, Grayson, Terry....
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 29, 2019 6:29:39 GMT
I wonder if the Board genuinely believe that Jones can turn things round and dig us out of this mess and avoid relegation when his record shows no indication that this is possible ? If they do then they are seriously deluded. If they don't then why the hell haven't they replaced him ? Exactly the same question I'm asking myself, can't they see what is staring them in the eyes!?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Sept 29, 2019 6:57:35 GMT
Why? Having watched the games, I don't think performances have been as bad as results. Why does that mean I'm brainwashed? Because my opinion on the football in front of me is different to yours? QPR dreadful Charlton not a lot better Derby played well but defensively poor Preston woeful Leeds never in it after they scored Birmingham lost to a very poor side imo Bristol City started well but sending obviously changed the game Brentford went for a draw and nothing else Forest played really well until they scored then collapsed like a pack of cards As I’ve said fans are getting brainwashed by his constant insistence in interviews that we’ve played well when in reality we’ve had spells in games where we have but the majority of the time in my opinion it’s been poor. What’s even worse I don’t believe we’ve played many decent sides of yet We are the footballing equivalent of Amir Khan. Start well, look good in patches, but usually end up getting twatted.
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Post by starkiller on Sept 29, 2019 7:03:30 GMT
The board have allowed this continued mess and now we are not much of a proposition.
Although money still talks to persuade someone to take over.
An unlikely win in mid-week would just be a blip. We'd be back to the usual straight after.
He needs to go now.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 29, 2019 7:25:28 GMT
I think we need to face up to the possibility that the club may well have approached potential managers who've looked at the situation and said "thanks, but no thanks". We are in deep shit and if we can only attract Paul Lambert when we weren't exactly cut adrift in the Premier League, what makes you think we're going to attract Hughton and the great and saintly Pulis now? If we aren't going to sack Jones after last night's result, then what's the point? The club have made their bed and they now have to lie in it. Totally agree Dave. I fear Davesviews post last week was his way of telling us that TP has turned us down. If TP won’t come back, I can’t see Moyes or Hughton being interested. Allegedly TP will or would not turn us down Essentially it’s a marriage made In hell two totally toxic elements to a the marriage - footballing Fred and Rose West . The Issue will be there are significant obstacles internally in the way to any approach And the terms attached mean he would be an option only after others said no for those who want him the longer it goes the better the deeper the mess the better the chance .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 7:41:00 GMT
Well, if we have been turned down by everyone then yes, we need to take our medicine and keep jones in place and accept another holocaust season.
Worst time ever to be a stoke fan, no doubt
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Post by nutterpotter on Sept 29, 2019 7:47:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 7:59:06 GMT
Chris, David, one of you please rescue us.
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Post by Linx on Sept 29, 2019 8:52:06 GMT
If (probably when) we get beaten by Huddersfield it will prompt the response, “Shoulda gone for Cowleys”.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 29, 2019 9:22:10 GMT
Smacks of lambert treatment where our dithering Made us look pathetic to the degree even friendly journalists were calling us out . If they are really looking to change do the deed and come out and say so Scholes Lilly livered reported comment On sky we stand by him but it can’t go on is neither here nor there .
The man is clearly under severe pressure we’ve a duty of care to do this properly if they don’t. Want him pay him off and move on.death by a thousand cuts is no way to manage this properly.
Of course his should be he second dismissal with the handsomely rewarded chief executive falling on his sword first in admission of a catalogue of unprecedented sustained failure on and off the pitch under his stewardship .
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Post by wolfinsheepsclothing on Sept 29, 2019 9:44:33 GMT
It’s a bit like transfers in and out.....no one really knows
My theory is the “lunch” with PC on Thursday was more than that and they laid out a potential exit plan. Say what you like about the Coates family, but they tend to dispose of services in the correct manner.
Do prospective managers join a club on the up? No, because there wouldn’t be a vacancy.
It’s all about the level of risk versus likely success. We are punching well BELOW our weight and therefore may not like as unattractive as some think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 17:57:40 GMT
I struggle to think a 3m salary and 3m bonus for keeping us up wouldn’t tempt one of Hughton, Allardyce or Moyes. (Or Alex Neil or Warnock or Pearson or Michael Laudrup). It’s a challenging assignment that would enhance their reputation, at this point, by merely having us avoid relegation. Keep us up and you’ve a good job thereafter. But if it doesn’t, Jones has to go regardless. He simply can’t manage: he can’t prepare a team tactically or mentally, hence we cede any impetus, get out-manoeuvred and make errors. That’s not going to change. we’d need to go leftfield, but would still prefer to offer someone else a chance... Holloway, Maclaran, Grayson, Terry.... I was wondering why Laudrup's name wasn't coming up, along with Curbishly and the snowman. Laudrup is now a pundit on Spanish television, which he rather likes, and he hasn't really been employed in football properly since he got the sack at Swansea. Moreover he has stated that if he was to manage again it would have to been at the level of Barca or Real (both of whom he played). I know we can be great sometime in the next century, but why would he take a job here instead of there?
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 29, 2019 19:01:19 GMT
QPR dreadful Charlton not a lot better Derby played well but defensively poor Preston woeful Leeds never in it after they scored Birmingham lost to a very poor side imo Bristol City started well but sending obviously changed the game Brentford went for a draw and nothing else Forest played really well until they scored then collapsed like a pack of cards As I’ve said fans are getting brainwashed by his constant insistence in interviews that we’ve played well when in reality we’ve had spells in games where we have but the majority of the time in my opinion it’s been poor. What’s even worse I don’t believe we’ve played many decent sides of yet We are the footballing equivalent of Amir Khan. Start well, look good in patches, but usually end up getting twatted. And in the lead up, talk a great fuckin game...🤣
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 29, 2019 19:01:35 GMT
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Post by march4 on Sept 29, 2019 19:05:34 GMT
Good gracious! Just give it up man.
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