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Post by Biblical on Sept 25, 2019 8:45:43 GMT
As soon as he dropped the diamond after a couple of games this season despite working on it all pre-season and bringing in his own players to ‘make’ it work.
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Post by somersetstokie on Sept 25, 2019 9:41:37 GMT
I hate being controversial, especially as I will not be surprised or angry if Jones keeps his job until our fate this season is decided. However I feel rather like a fanatical Nazi following Hitler. I am still in there shouting and cheering, even though I believe that Nathan may be mad.
The deranged ramblings and expressed self conviction that he is right, despite all evidence to the contrary. The inconsistent and baffling team selections, and the bizarre tactical decisions. The firm belief that things are never as dark as they look. The quirky behaviour and the actions and choices that are made in apparent contradiction of previous statements of intent.
I feel that he is the most confused and self deluded evangelist since David Ike.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 9:47:17 GMT
When we lost 3-2 to Shrewsbury
Ive really wanted it to work for him but that was the match that made me think it won't.
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Post by DentySCFC on Sept 25, 2019 9:47:30 GMT
When he subbed Josh Tymon off on 42 minutes against Preston at home rather than wait until half time.
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Post by ballboytoday on Sept 25, 2019 10:11:26 GMT
His comments in the Sentinel last night (Tuesday) that we have to get it right because we are on sky Friday! Is he star struck? it is obviously a big thing for him to be on Sky just goes to show how low he has come from. The Crawley game was an opportunity for him to play his best side and get a win and some confidence and carry on with the same side Friday. We are going into Fridays game with a completely different side and confidence at all time low. The guy is totally out of his depth!may be half decent in Leagues 1 & 2 but get us in Prem not a chance.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 25, 2019 10:18:02 GMT
Starting Badou after claiming he only wanted players that were proud and actually wanted to play for us when Badou patently didn’t/wasn’t
That just cemented concerns around
McClean at lb
Cousins
Total inconsistency in media interviews
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Post by Goonie on Sept 25, 2019 10:20:17 GMT
I realised he put sticking plasters on his fingers before every game To stop him biting his nails as he knew, deep down, he was completely out of his depth |
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Post by Goonie on Sept 25, 2019 10:23:00 GMT
Starting Badou after claiming he only wanted players that were proud and actually wanted to play for us when Badou patently didn’t/wasn’t That just cemented concerns around McClean at lb Cousins Total inconsistency in media interviews 'McClean at lb' This! Despite having 2 windows and a pre-season he fails to bring in a LWB for the diamond and instead brings in another RB or 2! Bizarre |
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 25, 2019 10:29:33 GMT
He signed Cousins and Ward. Jesus Christ
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 25, 2019 10:35:16 GMT
He's still the right man for the job. What job ? lay preacher ? new character from the shires in the next Lord of the Rings ? |
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 25, 2019 10:45:34 GMT
When he signed Jordan cousins and thought that he could mould him into one of the fittest most talented defensive midfielders who would be responsible for anchoring the diamond formation.
Hes not fit now as hes recovering from multiple injuries after being thrown under an oncoming bus by his manager
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 25, 2019 10:46:14 GMT
He signed Cousins and Ward. Jesus Christ If he'd signed Jesus Christ we'd be top of the league by now. |
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Post by midfielder on Sept 25, 2019 10:50:59 GMT
The sad thing is that he had all the ingredients to be a legend. Absolute nutcase full of passion, seemingly nothing ever handed to him, promising free flowing fast attacking football with youngsters handed opportunities to impress. I believed it all and thought it couldn’t possibly go wrong.
He just consistently went back on every promise made and it doesn’t matter how passionate a man you have leading you it must affect the dressing room to see friends and colleagues continually mis managed, absolute dross recruited to join the team and promises made that aren’t kept. Imagine coming in fresh to pre season working your balls off to understand a system and then the system gets scrapped 3-4 games into the season. The continual tinkering at this point was when I realised he was out of his depth and wasn’t up to the job.
As much as he likes to think it I don’t think he’s a massively popular man in the dressing room. Maybe his success at Luton was down to backroom brains (Rutter) providing tactical nouse and NJ literally just getting in to them pre match to fire them up. Either way he’s already shown himself up to have no kind of grasp of formation, recruitment, in game management, ability to conduct himself properly in front of press, crebility and he just needs to go now (taken me a long time to get to the point of admitting it)
What are we waiting for? Rooster would genuinely do a far better job
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Sept 25, 2019 10:51:30 GMT
He signed Cousins and Ward. Jesus Christ If he'd signed Jesus Christ we'd be top of the league by now. Not if he was in goal. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Sept 25, 2019 10:53:58 GMT
The first time his name came up on here. I'd never heard of him then.
I wish I never had now.
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Post by Bera’s Beano on Sept 25, 2019 11:48:54 GMT
Honestly, I was with him until I saw last nights line up. A heavy defeat on Friday night and it'll all be over. I think anything but a win should see him gone on Friday. He can't possibly be given even more time to sleepwalk us deeper away from safety. It just can't go on. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 25, 2019 12:26:00 GMT
He's still the right man for the job. Is that based on anything bar his Luton record and his soaring talk of promises and projects that bears no relation to anything we've actually seen since he arrived in January, MD? If you accept all that could well be Emperors New Clothes bluster, is there anything to cling to? Results awful, signings uniformly abysmal, despite his "we don't make mistakes in recruitment" and "we've changed the culture" rhetoric, and the only system he's ever known in coaching has been meekly dumped overboard. Partly, and I won't pretend that I don't have plenty of concerns. I think he's been badly let down in recruitment. It's not that he hasn't been backed or allowed to sign his own players, but I think that there has been a big breakdown somewhere in the chain. Can anybody honestly say that all parts of recruitment are fully functioning when the options presented to the manager for left back are a player way out of our league, a 30something Beswicks player and loads of others who are apparently worse than the aforementioned 30something and James McClean? It's a similar story in defensive midfield, without even looking at the failure to move on other expensive mistakes. That really leads to the main point. If you want to bring in a man with radical new ideas to radically overhaul everything, you can either let him do that and completely change the way you do things, or you can keep everything exactly the same and expect him to just get results. If you do the former, you can be richly rewarded. Those who opt to do the latter almost always fail, badly. We are currently opting for the latter, and it has taken us to the bottom of the table. I want him to stay, and do the reworking of the club properly. I accept that results are making that a remote possibility, which will ultimately be our loss. I've been quite firm that I wouldn't even review the post until December, but I think I would now have Pulis on speed dial for the international break. |
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Post by slicko on Sept 25, 2019 12:28:21 GMT
When he signed an Irish international keeper who would replace or challenge Jack Butland only to see Davies fall to fourth choice, after GK Coach Andy Quy.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 25, 2019 12:30:11 GMT
Is that based on anything bar his Luton record and his soaring talk of promises and projects that bears no relation to anything we've actually seen since he arrived in January, MD? If you accept all that could well be Emperors New Clothes bluster, is there anything to cling to? Results awful, signings uniformly abysmal, despite his "we don't make mistakes in recruitment" and "we've changed the culture" rhetoric, and the only system he's ever known in coaching has been meekly dumped overboard. Partly, and I won't pretend that I don't have plenty of concerns. I think he's been badly let down in recruitment. It's not that he hasn't been backed or allowed to sign his own players, but I think that there has been a big breakdown somewhere in the chain. Can anybody honestly say that all parts of recruitment are fully functioning when the options presented to the manager for left back are a player way out of our league, a 30something Beswicks player and loads of others who are apparently worse than the aforementioned 30something and James McClean? It's a similar story in defensive midfield, without even looking at the failure to move on other expensive mistakes. That really leads to the main point. If you want to bring in a man with radical new ideas to radically overhaul everything, you can either let him do that and completely change the way you do things, or you can keep everything exactly the same and expect him to just get results. If you do the former, you can be richly rewarded. Those who opt to do the latter almost always fail, badly. We are currently opting for the latter, and it has taken us to the bottom of the table. I want him to stay, and do the reworking of the club properly. I accept that results are making that a remote possibility, which will ultimately be our loss. I've been quite firm that I wouldn't even review the post until December, but I think I would now have Pulis on speed dial for the international break. Were those 'the options presented to the manager' or the players the manager wanted? I find it hard to believe that a manager for whom full backs were key to his system couldn't think of more than two in the whole world. |
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Post by Davef on Sept 25, 2019 12:35:18 GMT
I'm sick to the back teeth about hearing that the manager (and past managers) had players foisted on them or were told they couldn't sign certain players.
Until somebody can supply definitive proof that it's been anyone other than Hughes, Rowett and Jones who've been ultimately responsible for the overwhelming majority of players we've brought to the club over the past six or seven years then give it a rest.
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Post by serpico on Sept 25, 2019 12:45:16 GMT
I’ve been a jones skeptic from the moment he took over, I was willing to give him a chance but his inexperience has always worried me. He’d only been in management since 2016 and he was walking into a club with a litany of on and off the field problems.
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Post by SCFC92 on Sept 25, 2019 12:48:34 GMT
He has Friday for me... but even I am now beginning to tip.
However as I have previously stated, can we stop bringing mental health into it.
Emotional responses to questions after a defeat, is not a sign of mental health. It's a sign someone cares.
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Post by rorystowel on Sept 25, 2019 12:49:07 GMT
He's still the right man for the job. What job ? lay preacher ? new character from the shires in the next Lord of the Rings ? He’s in the “hobbit” of losing every game. |
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Post by canadianmoose on Sept 25, 2019 12:51:44 GMT
The CEO and 'the process' need fucking off now as well.
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 25, 2019 12:52:57 GMT
If he'd signed Jesus Christ we'd be top of the league by now. Not if he was in goal. Not sure he'd be confident on crosses. |
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Post by rorystowel on Sept 25, 2019 12:54:20 GMT
Not sure he'd be confident on crosses. He’d get crucified if he made a mistake. |
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Post by crapslinger on Sept 25, 2019 13:00:09 GMT
I’ve been a jones skeptic from the moment he took over, I was willing to give him a chance but his inexperience has always worried me. He’d only been in management since 2016 and he was walking into a club with a litany of on and off the field problems. This is what you get if you employ a manager on the recommendation of a bloke in a pub ! a pub team manager. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 25, 2019 13:06:40 GMT
When he gave the team the excuse that last season was over not long after he joined. Lost any goodwill from me at that point, I'd have gladly paid him off in the summer. Massive, massive fraud. More dislikable than Cotterill and more incompetent than Kamara.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2019 13:17:27 GMT
Starting Badou after claiming he only wanted players that were proud and actually wanted to play for us when Badou patently didn’t/wasn’t That just cemented concerns around McClean at lb Cousins Total inconsistency in media interviews Ndiaye is the best player in the squad |
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Post by kustokie on Sept 25, 2019 13:33:08 GMT
When he started saying “cutting edge” and “my previous club” in the same sentence. Cutting edge in League One and cutting edge in the Championship are two totally different things. He epitomizes the Peter Principle: “everyone is eventually promoted to their level of incompetence”.
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