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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 4, 2019 13:19:48 GMT
Every successive government since Thatcher (including Blair) alongside the mainstream media and the setup of our economy. The establishment isn't a round table job with a handleful of suits... We've (the working class) cried out for change for generations and now there is a chance to grab it. I don't care about Corbyn, literally don't care. That manifesto though has the chance to change the game. If it's voted down it is exactly like Turkeys voting for Christmas. The traditional Labour voter used to work in nationalised industries and relied on the unions and Labour governments to keep them sweet. Labour, generally, couldn't give a flying fuck about anyone else as people who worked in the pottery industry and other private sector companies will confirm. Modern Labour voters still largely work in our nationalised public sector and are still likely play the union card for pay rises and 26 days annual sick leave. The south east Labour support is made up of middle class wankers who can only use the right hand side of their arty farty musical brains and haven't a single ounce of common sense. These people can afford to vote for Labour and tell their friends how absolutely fucking lovely they are by doing so. Up north there's still a sizeable contingent of Labour's core vote that still believes that a life on benefits is the better option and that unless a government delivers a great job on their doorstep they're going to stay put in their pyjamas. And then we have the students. Historically always on the side of Labour but, as we know, they change their tune when they actually own something. This time though, it's different. Only a Labour government (1997-2010) could have massively increased the number of people taking degrees, introduce student fees and then, many years on, decide to saddle the taxpayer with a bill for billions thanks to a pledge to make degrees free. Finally, the wankers who proudly boast that if they earned more money and were in the top tax bands they'd be happy to pay more tax. Over the years I've known many Labour voters who happily informed us all that they'd give more away if only they had something to give away. Come the day when they receive a sizeable inheritance and life is easy their pledges of generosity magically disappear in a fog of forgetfulness. Labour's voters, like Labour itself, are the most generous people you'll ever meet as long as other people's money is being used. Lets keep starving the country's kids then, eh? It's obviously the type of economy that people on this messageboard not only support but champion. Not their kids I guess? So fuck 'em.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 4, 2019 13:23:47 GMT
The traditional Labour voter used to work in nationalised industries and relied on the unions and Labour governments to keep them sweet. Labour, generally, couldn't give a flying fuck about anyone else as people who worked in the pottery industry and other private sector companies will confirm. Modern Labour voters still largely work in our nationalised public sector and are still likely play the union card for pay rises and 26 days annual sick leave. The south east Labour support is made up of middle class wankers who can only use the right hand side of their arty farty musical brains and haven't a single ounce of common sense. These people can afford to vote for Labour and tell their friends how absolutely fucking lovely they are by doing so. Up north there's still a sizeable contingent of Labour's core vote that still believes that a life on benefits is the better option and that unless a government delivers a great job on their doorstep they're going to stay put in their pyjamas. And then we have the students. Historically always on the side of Labour but, as we know, they change their tune when they actually own something. This time though, it's different. Only a Labour government (1997-2010) could have massively increased the number of people taking degrees, introduce student fees and then, many years on, decide to saddle the taxpayer with a bill for billions thanks to a pledge to make degrees free. Finally, the wankers who proudly boast that if they earned more money and were in the top tax bands they'd be happy to pay more tax. Over the years I've known many Labour voters who happily informed us all that they'd give more away if only they had something to give away. Come the day when they receive a sizeable inheritance and life is easy their pledges of generosity magically disappear in a fog of forgetfulness. Labour's voters, like Labour itself, are the most generous people you'll ever meet as long as other people's money is being used. Lets keep starving the country's kids then , eh. It's obviously the type of economy that people on this messageboard not only support but champion. Not their kids I guess? So fuck 'em £5 a day Attachment Deleted
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 4, 2019 13:24:58 GMT
Just Corbyn lying about watching the Queens Christmas Day speech. It's OK not to watch it but why lie?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 4, 2019 13:30:23 GMT
Lets keep starving the country's kids then , eh. It's obviously the type of economy that people on this messageboard not only support but champion. Not their kids I guess? So fuck 'em £5 a day View AttachmentThat's 6,105 quid a year for a family of three, so 117 quid a week and 16.77 per day (for 3 people). That's 5.59 per person per day.
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Post by foster on Dec 4, 2019 13:31:07 GMT
Just a Labour Party candidate saying killing Jews isn't anti-semitic. Is killing a Christian anti-christian? Does killing a black person automatically make you racist if it has nothing to do with colour. A British person kills a British person... is that Anti-British? Maybe this was an Israel/Iran issue and it just so happens that Israeli's are Jewish. I disagree with Israel on almost everything they do, but it doesn't make me Antisemitic. Your post relates to everything overly PC where you can't say or do anything without people labeling you anti-this or anti-that. Just maybe it has nothing to do with someones sex, colour, religion, and more to do with country politics.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 4, 2019 13:44:57 GMT
£5 a day That's 6,105 quid a year for a family of three, so 117 quid a week and 16.77 per day (for 3 people). That's 5.59 per person per day. So that's £16.77 a day. A roast chicken dinner every day with about £7 left over for 30 days until the Universal Credit kicks in. Hardly the workhouse.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 4, 2019 13:47:39 GMT
Just a Labour Party candidate saying killing Jews isn't anti-semitic. Is killing a Christian anti-christian? Does killing a black person automatically make you racist if it has nothing to do with colour. A British person kills a British person... is that Anti-British? Maybe this was an Israel/Iran issue and it just so happens that Israeli's are Jewish. I disagree with Israel on almost everything they do, but it doesn't make me Antisemitic. Your post relates to everything overly PC where you can't say or do anything without people labeling you anti-this or anti-that. Just maybe it has nothing to do with someones sex, colour, religion, and more to do with country politics. Er.... the whole point of murdering those athletes was because they were Jewish.
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Post by serpico on Dec 4, 2019 13:49:24 GMT
That's 6,105 quid a year for a family of three, so 117 quid a week and 16.77 per day (for 3 people). That's 5.59 per person per day. So that's £16.77 a day. A roast chicken dinner every day with about £7 left over for 30 days until the Universal Credit kicks in. Hardly the workhouse. they're baiting you in, daring you to question it, the very fact you've even dared question the information in this emotive channel4 piece means you're an absolute evil cunt of the worst kind... did you not hear the sad Christmas music ?
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Post by foster on Dec 4, 2019 13:49:40 GMT
Is killing a Christian anti-christian? Does killing a black person automatically make you racist if it has nothing to do with colour. A British person kills a British person... is that Anti-British? Maybe this was an Israel/Iran issue and it just so happens that Israeli's are Jewish. I disagree with Israel on almost everything they do, but it doesn't make me Antisemitic. Your post relates to everything overly PC where you can't say or do anything without people labeling you anti-this or anti-that. Just maybe it has nothing to do with someones sex, colour, religion, and more to do with country politics. Er.... the whole point of murdering those athletes was because they were Jewish. Or was it because they were Israeli?
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Dec 4, 2019 13:58:04 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 4, 2019 14:07:06 GMT
So that's £16.77 a day. A roast chicken dinner every day with about £7 left over for 30 days until the Universal Credit kicks in. Hardly the workhouse. they're baiting you in, daring you to question it, the very fact you've even dared question the information in this emotive channel4 piece means you're an absolute evil cunt of the worst kind... did you not hear the sad Christmas music ? Yeah, but do you like "darkies"?
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Post by serpico on Dec 4, 2019 14:13:59 GMT
they're baiting you in, daring you to question it, the very fact you've even dared question the information in this emotive channel4 piece means you're an absolute evil cunt of the worst kind... did you not hear the sad Christmas music ? Yeah, but do you like "darkies"? all non labour supporters don't, apparently.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Dec 4, 2019 14:24:42 GMT
That's 6,105 quid a year for a family of three, so 117 quid a week and 16.77 per day (for 3 people). That's 5.59 per person per day. So that's £16.77 a day. A roast chicken dinner every day with about £7 left over for 30 days until the Universal Credit kicks in. Hardly the workhouse. So that's one meal of the day sorted - how are they feeding themselves with the other seven quid for 30 days? It works out at 77p per meal per person. It's also assuming you have absolutely no other expenses, like school uniform, heating, utilities, bog roll etc. Lets assume the family in the video have a house provided for them therefore no rent - although I have no evidence if that is the case or not. Maybe it is "hardly the workhouse", but it's also hardly enough to live on is it?
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Post by xchpotter on Dec 4, 2019 14:25:41 GMT
If we get another 4/5 years of a tory government, in what ways are the non Labour voters on here hoping to see the country/city improve.Health,education,crime,welfare,wages,NHS,roads,immigration,tax reform,environment or something else? What are you hoping for? No darkies, no EU migrants neither, no benefits, no EU, no deficit, no debt, massively reduced public spending, lower taxes, free parking, lower fuel charges, lower council tax, lower corporation tax, lower VAT, lower NI, return of the death penalty, fantastic NHS, fantastic schools, fantastic public transport, fuck the environment - climate change is bollocks. Am I right, right-wingers? Go on, be brave, admit it, it sounds great the above doesn't it? Ticks all your boxes, right? Bet you just can't understand why we don't have all that already? Clue - it's all Labour's fault, remember! I think you are making a bit of an assumption there that many of those hopes you reference are exclusive to anyone you label right wing. I know many Labour and left wingers who support many of the points you have raised, just as I know some right wingers who don’t support some the same points. Politics isn’t along traditional lines anymore and the parties that work out what will get most support and votes and how to target them will be the one gaining power.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Dec 4, 2019 14:36:25 GMT
So that's £16.77 a day. A roast chicken dinner every day with about £7 left over for 30 days until the Universal Credit kicks in. Hardly the workhouse. So that's one meal of the day sorted - how are they feeding themselves with the other seven quid for 30 days? It works out at 77p per meal per person. It's also assuming you have absolutely no other expenses, like school uniform, heating, utilities, bog roll etc. Lets assume the family in the video have a house provided for them therefore no rent - although I have no evidence if that is the case or not. Maybe it is "hardly the workhouse", but it's also hardly enough to live on is it? God forbid these kids need shoes. People’s heartlessness really depresses me
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 4, 2019 14:47:12 GMT
Just Corbyn lying about watching the Queens Christmas Day speech. It's OK not to watch it but why lie? You don't like lying all of a sudden dodgepot. Just from today....
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 4, 2019 15:04:28 GMT
Voting Conservative because you don’t like Corbyn is like putting dog shit on a pizza because you don’t like pineapple
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 4, 2019 15:06:40 GMT
That's 6,105 quid a year for a family of three, so 117 quid a week and 16.77 per day (for 3 people). That's 5.59 per person per day. So that's £16.77 a day. A roast chicken dinner every day with about £7 left over for 30 days until the Universal Credit kicks in. Hardly the workhouse. And there we have it. The Tory mentality. Kids shivering and going hungry but eh, come on, it's hardly the workhouse
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Post by serpico on Dec 4, 2019 15:20:09 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 4, 2019 15:23:24 GMT
What a complete load of shit again.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 4, 2019 15:30:53 GMT
What a complete load of shit again. What qualifies it as 'shit'? And it not fitting into your almost fanatical, entrenched opinions on the matter isn't a legitimate answer, I'm after something with a tad more depth 😊
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 4, 2019 15:35:21 GMT
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Post by Eggybread on Dec 4, 2019 15:36:59 GMT
What a complete load of shit again. What qualifies it as 'shit'? And it not fitting into your almost fanatical, entrenched opinions on the matter isn't a legitimate answer, I'm after something with a tad more depth 😊 Seriously again how many more time does he have to apologise.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Dec 4, 2019 16:09:33 GMT
US President Donald Trump has called Justin Trudeau "two-faced" over a video in which the Canadian leader appears to mock him.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 4, 2019 16:21:28 GMT
The Tories might just have enough to squeeze this election. I hope not but it looks very possible. After that... they are going to have to up their disinformation and gerrymandering game like never before because from what I can see they are not connecting on many of the under 40's critical issues.
Obviously their raison d'etre is to be conservative, to only give just enough change necessary to maintain power for the establishment, but the speed of change now is meaning in one or two generations those priorities are completely unrecognisable. Age demographics are looking catastrophically bad for the Tory Party in the coming years.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 4, 2019 16:29:21 GMT
The Tories might just have enough to squeeze this election. I hope not but it looks very possible. After that... they are going to have to up their disinformation and gerrymandering game like never before because from what I can see they are not connecting on many of the under 40's critical issues. Obviously their raison d'etre is to be conservative, to only give just enough change necessary to maintain power for the establishment, but the speed of change now is meaning in one or two generations there priorities are completely unrecognisable. Age demographics are looking catastrophically bad for the Tory Party in the coming years. They're already taking steps. The havoc they'll cause over the next five years literally has no bounds. If people think the Labour party manifesto is in any way dangerous, then this lot are intent on enshrining their superiority and privilege into the very foundations of the constitution.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 4, 2019 16:47:25 GMT
What qualifies it as 'shit'? And it not fitting into your almost fanatical, entrenched opinions on the matter isn't a legitimate answer, I'm after something with a tad more depth 😊 Seriously again how many more time does he have to apologise. On Brexit? A lot more.
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Post by ColonelMustard on Dec 4, 2019 16:48:09 GMT
The Tories might just have enough to squeeze this election. I hope not but it looks very possible. After that... they are going to have to up their disinformation and gerrymandering game like never before because from what I can see they are not connecting on many of the under 40's critical issues. Obviously their raison d'etre is to be conservative, to only give just enough change necessary to maintain power for the establishment, but the speed of change now is meaning in one or two generations there priorities are completely unrecognisable. Age demographics are looking catastrophically bad for the Tory Party in the coming years. They're already taking steps. The havoc they'll cause over the next five years literally has no bounds. If people think the Labour party manifesto is in any way dangerous, then this lot are intent on enshrining their superiority and privilege into the very foundations of the constitution. Yes. Plus they will attack social media algorithms again, bring in voter ID, change MP numbers etc but is the blatant rigging going to be enough? And if they finally cant fix it their way ... what will they do? Of what will they be capable?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 4, 2019 17:00:04 GMT
They're already taking steps. The havoc they'll cause over the next five years literally has no bounds. If people think the Labour party manifesto is in any way dangerous, then this lot are intent on enshrining their superiority and privilege into the very foundations of the constitution. what will they do? What will they be capable of? It's too chilling to even contemplate. By 2025, they'll be telling us that the kids in that Dispatches programme are the establishment, who've never had it so good.
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Post by essexstokey on Dec 4, 2019 17:20:26 GMT
when is a new hospital not a new hospital? when its a tory new hospital! link none of the new hospitals proposed are actually new some involve selling off NHS land to private home builders to pay for them some arent funded some are replacements for existing hospitals on the same site and some are just refurbs and of the 40 promised on 6 could o ahead the others are just a paper exercise that are not funded. Can you trust the lying tory party not to go back on these figures ? NO then vote them out on dec 12th!! Save our NHS!!
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