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Post by bathstoke on Nov 24, 2019 9:16:55 GMT
Boris is funny. If he wins the country will be Corbyn Neutral in 2020 That’s not a given, but if by chance Joris does win, we will certainly be in an NHS, workers rights & government free zone⚠️
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2019 9:17:36 GMT
Boris is funny. If he wins the country will be Corbyn Neutral in 2020 That’s not a given, but if by chance Joris does win, we will certainly be in an NHS, workers rights & government free zone⚠️ That is just silly.
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Post by bathstoke on Nov 24, 2019 9:19:00 GMT
That’s not a given, but if by chance Joris does win, we will certainly be in an NHS, workers rights & government free zone⚠️ That is just silly. Sorry, you’re right. Joris won’t win💋
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 24, 2019 9:20:37 GMT
Calm down mick the quit, I sense you are getting close to the rage quit button again duck. Nope...although your mate may be after calling me "Mickmillsloveskids" then saying "stop messaging me now" when it was him pm'ing me in the first place. What an utter embarrassment you 2 really are to life, let alone this board. Your families must be fucking ashamed of you. Insults etc. are 1 thing but that's just fucking sick and really showing the pair of you for the sad cunts you really are Have you calmed down now Mick, surprised Admin haven't done the job for you after last night your family should be ashamed of you, now do the honourable thing and quit again.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2019 9:23:29 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 24, 2019 9:37:34 GMT
More pathetic pro tory Bias from the national broadcaster. Fucking pathetic. Jesus wept you must be spending a fortune on tinfoil momo, I saw plenty of tv reports of corbyn in birmingham yet they didnt show the people shouting dirty ira scum and ira scum at him or mention his lifelong support of the ira, do you think anybody actually cares that people laughed ? Did they mention a labour party worker went onto the program and lied about Wilson to try and make St Jeremy seem righteous either ? People just dont like Corbyn regardless.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Nov 24, 2019 9:44:30 GMT
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Post by serpico on Nov 24, 2019 9:52:13 GMT
I knew he was dodgy when i watched it live, he got carried away at the end and gave himself away with his corbyn fanboy rhetorical flourish.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 24, 2019 9:55:31 GMT
Watching Marr. Swinson is genuinely fucking appalling isn't she?
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 24, 2019 9:57:16 GMT
Ah the biased broadcasting corporation at work again, who vetted the audience I wonder ?
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Post by serpico on Nov 24, 2019 10:00:19 GMT
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Post by serpico on Nov 24, 2019 10:02:15 GMT
Watching Marr. Swinson is genuinely fucking appalling isn't she? this is something we can all agree on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 10:06:07 GMT
Funny that, because you're talking about Stalinism there. And because Marx wrongly believed that the ruling, upper capitalist classes were linked with Judaism. They weren't, he was wrong. Anything you know about what Marxism entails? Still avoiding? According to the experts you are wrong it was Marxism, then again you are wrong about most things so it is no surprise, I have no in depth knowledge of Marxism so as a learned teacher maybe you should enlighten me, as a starter can you name one country where Marxism has been a long term success ? Bolivia has shown democratic socialism to work incredibly well up until the coup. Not many countries have adopted a genuinely Marxist approach. Possibly Lenin was along those lines, and he warned hugely against the idea of Stalin in power, the usual poster boy against Marxism, because Stalin did not abide by Marxist principles.
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Post by serpico on Nov 24, 2019 10:10:38 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 24, 2019 10:17:45 GMT
Marr just completely fucked Gove with this video
Cummings confirming that Tories genuinely don't give a fuck about anyone or anything
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 24, 2019 10:30:32 GMT
According to the experts you are wrong it was Marxism, then again you are wrong about most things so it is no surprise, I have no in depth knowledge of Marxism so as a learned teacher maybe you should enlighten me, as a starter can you name one country where Marxism has been a long term success ? Bolivia has shown democratic socialism to work incredibly well up until the coup. Not many countries have adopted a genuinely Marxist approach. Possibly Lenin was along those lines, and he warned hugely against the idea of Stalin in power, the usual poster boy against Marxism, because Stalin did not abide by Marxist principles. Why was there a coup if it was working so well ?, is there a reason why so few countries have adopted a genuine Marxist approach ?, seems strange that so few have taken it on as a political principal.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2019 10:32:48 GMT
Marr just completely fucked Gove with this video Cummings confirming that Tories genuinely don't give a fuck about anyone or anything Hilarious. Dominic Cummings is one of those individuals who just loves his own intellect. A bit like JRM. And Alex Salmond. A special mention also for Oliver Letwin and that other Dominic - Mr Grieve. Too smart (and smarmy) for their own good. Apologies for not citing any Labour or LibDems in this regard. This isn’t bias, I’m just struggling to think of any individual in either of those parties who possess an intellect they could be proud of possessing.
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Post by xchpotter on Nov 24, 2019 10:37:14 GMT
I knew he was dodgy when i watched it live, he got carried away at the end and gave himself away with his corbyn fanboy rhetorical flourish. It was obvious to even the most blind that he was a plant. Far too calm and measured. This is the way campaigns are fought and anything said in the media has to be treated with an enormous amount of scepticism....if you believe any of it, well more fool you.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Nov 24, 2019 10:38:40 GMT
Watching Marr. Swinson is genuinely fucking appalling isn't she? I think she's approaching the 'Nathan Jones phase'. I'm actually feeling sorry for her, out of her depth!
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Post by crapslinger on Nov 24, 2019 10:40:56 GMT
Marr just completely fucked Gove with this video Cummings confirming that Tories genuinely don't give a fuck about anyone or anything Hilarious. Dominic Cummings is one of those individuals who just loves his own intellect. A bit like JRM. And Alex Salmond. A special mention also for Oliver Letwin and that other Dominic - Mr Grieve. Too smart (and smarmy) for their own good. Apologies for not citing any Labour or LibDems in this regard. This isn’t bias, I’m just struggling to think of any individual in either of those parties who possess an intellect they could be proud of possessing. Labour have the highly intellectual Abacus of course.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2019 10:44:40 GMT
According to the experts you are wrong it was Marxism, then again you are wrong about most things so it is no surprise, I have no in depth knowledge of Marxism so as a learned teacher maybe you should enlighten me, as a starter can you name one country where Marxism has been a long term success ? Bolivia has shown democratic socialism to work incredibly well up until the coup. Not many countries have adopted a genuinely Marxist approach. Possibly Lenin was along those lines, and he warned hugely against the idea of Stalin in power, the usual poster boy against Marxism, because Stalin did not abide by Marxist principles. What do you mean by democratic socialism? Oh - as regards Lenin. He also didn’t abide by Marxist principles. He set the murder machine in motion. After his death, Stalin just carried on driving the murder machine in the direction Lenin had been moving.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 10:47:59 GMT
Bolivia has shown democratic socialism to work incredibly well up until the coup. Not many countries have adopted a genuinely Marxist approach. Possibly Lenin was along those lines, and he warned hugely against the idea of Stalin in power, the usual poster boy against Marxism, because Stalin did not abide by Marxist principles. Why was there a coup if it was working so well ?, is there a reason why so few countries have adopted a genuine Marxist approach ?, seems strange that so few have taken it on as a political principal. I don't know enough to say why really, there has been talk of foreign intervening because of large stores of Lithium owned by Bolivia, but again, I don't know enough. The Bolivian economy grew at twice the Latin American average, they built an incredible amount of infrastructure and hugely reduced extreme poverty and income inequality. It worked wonders. It's not been put in place much for much the same reasons as capitalism has issues, people use it an an excuse to get what they want rather than what the ideology represents. Tends to lend itself to nationalist despots, hence why in the modern day Marxist principles tend to be slightly watered down into a more market-based Socialism. But Marx saw that. His entire principle was that nations would inevitably transition into socialism as the workers grew unhappy at the capitalist classes hoarding wealth, and eventually this would transition further into near-communism.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 10:50:41 GMT
Bolivia has shown democratic socialism to work incredibly well up until the coup. Not many countries have adopted a genuinely Marxist approach. Possibly Lenin was along those lines, and he warned hugely against the idea of Stalin in power, the usual poster boy against Marxism, because Stalin did not abide by Marxist principles. What do you mean by democratic socialism? Oh - as regards Lenin. He also didn’t abide by Marxist principles. He set the murder machine in motion. After his death, Stalin just carried on driving the murder machine in the direction Lenin had been moving. The kind of socialism we are seeing put forward by Sanders, Morales, et al. Based more on a market economy being heavily regulated than the previous 20th century ideas of a more 'hard' socialism. He was also a tosspot, yes. It's pretty difficult to find many who have genuinely abided by Marx because for the past 150 years almost all governance of nations has been authoritarian or capitalist.
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Post by followyoudown on Nov 24, 2019 11:05:06 GMT
Marr just completely fucked Gove with this video Cummings confirming that Tories genuinely don't give a fuck about anyone or anything Hilarious. Dominic Cummings is one of those individuals who just loves his own intellect. A bit like JRM. And Alex Salmond. A special mention also for Oliver Letwin and that other Dominic - Mr Grieve. Too smart (and smarmy) for their own good. Apologies for not citing any Labour or LibDems in this regard. This isn’t bias, I’m just struggling to think of any individual in either of those parties who possess an intellect they could be proud of possessing. This has been around for ages Cummings isn't a Tory, he is a brexiteer once brexit is secured I dont think he will stick around. Whilst you might be right about him thinking he is much smarter than everyone else, all he is saying is people dont trust politicians they dont keep their promises so we have too, despite all that was against him he still delivered a win for leave. I will be also interested to find out in time how much of the leaving misinformation about Boris and him was designed to force a misstep by remain / bring the matter to a head because as it seems to be turning out the Benn act was a masterstroke for leave, of course it is possible they just got lucky with the likes of Letwin / Grieve egged on by Bercow thinking they could do as they wished.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2019 11:05:17 GMT
What do you mean by democratic socialism? Oh - as regards Lenin. He also didn’t abide by Marxist principles. He set the murder machine in motion. After his death, Stalin just carried on driving the murder machine in the direction Lenin had been moving. The kind of socialism we are seeing put forward by Sanders, Morales, et al. Based more on a market economy being heavily regulated than the previous 20th century ideas of a more 'hard' socialism. He was also a tosspot, yes. It's pretty difficult to find many who have genuinely abided by Marx because for the past 150 years almost all governance of nations has been authoritarian or capitalist. Understood - I think. What you are saying, is governments don’t own the means of production, but they set the regulations that govern how they work. This separation of state and industry is critical (and, of course, is counter to Marx). It also explains why the economies of Bolivia and Venezuela have performed so differently. Venezuela went full on socialist, privatising pretty much everything including the oil industries which subsequently collapsed due to catastrophic mismanagement as Chavez appointed incompetent friends to run the oil companies who ran them into the ground.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 24, 2019 11:11:01 GMT
I see Labour propose to buy the WASPI women, now. Funny how they have come up with this after the Question Time leadership debate, I hadn't heard it mentioned before? At least not as a policy.
I wonder how many of them voted Leave? If you can't honour their vote, bribe 'em! 😁
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 24, 2019 11:11:28 GMT
Hilarious. Dominic Cummings is one of those individuals who just loves his own intellect. A bit like JRM. And Alex Salmond. A special mention also for Oliver Letwin and that other Dominic - Mr Grieve. Too smart (and smarmy) for their own good. Apologies for not citing any Labour or LibDems in this regard. This isn’t bias, I’m just struggling to think of any individual in either of those parties who possess an intellect they could be proud of possessing. This has been around for ages Cummings isn't a Tory, he is a brexiteer once brexit is secured I dont think he will stick around. Whilst you might be right about him thinking he is much smarter than everyone else, all he is saying is people dont trust politicians they dont keep their promises so we have too, despite all that was against him he still delivered a win for leave. I will be also interested to find out in time how much of the leaving misinformation about Boris and him was designed to force a misstep by remain / bring the matter to a head because as it seems to be turning out the Benn act was a masterstroke for leave, of course it is possible they just got lucky with the likes of Letwin / Grieve egged on by Bercow thinking they could do as they wished. Smug, smarmy, shitebag. Further evidence...
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Post by essexstokey on Nov 24, 2019 11:15:49 GMT
still waiting for rodger to say where his claims on tax in the labour manifesto are hours later and still no response yet another tory lie !! you cant trust anything he or they say!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 11:18:28 GMT
The kind of socialism we are seeing put forward by Sanders, Morales, et al. Based more on a market economy being heavily regulated than the previous 20th century ideas of a more 'hard' socialism. He was also a tosspot, yes. It's pretty difficult to find many who have genuinely abided by Marx because for the past 150 years almost all governance of nations has been authoritarian or capitalist. Understood - I think. What you are saying, is governments don’t own the means of production, but they set the regulations that govern how they work. This separation of state and industry is critical (and, of course, is counter to Marx). It also explains why the economies of Bolivia and Venezuela have performed so differently. Venezuela went full on socialist, privatising pretty much everything including the oil industries which subsequently collapsed due to catastrophic mismanagement as Chavez appointed incompetent friends to run the oil companies who ran them into the ground. Yep, pretty much. I think something where some industries are state owned and provided for all is the perfect place to aim at this point. Hence why I'm such a fan of most of Sanders' and Corbyn's proposals. I don't think free-market, unregulated capitalism as it is has very long left to be honest. Too many people are being left behind by it, and there's only so much longer people will be distracted from the real issue. It's my opinion that the obvious next step is to concentrate less on growth and more on human welfare.
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Post by ravey123 on Nov 24, 2019 11:46:24 GMT
I see Labour propose to buy the WASPI women, now. Funny how they have come up with this after the Question Time leadership debate, I hadn't heard it mentioned before? At least not as a policy. I wonder how many of them voted Leave? If you can't honour their vote, bribe 'em! 😁 Dont worry - that's only ANOTHER £58bn to borrow. Labour are quite happy to spend spend spend when it isn't them that have to sort out the shit show their spending pledges will create - and this from a Labour supporter (or should I say since comrade Corbyn came to power (ex Labour supporter).
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